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MODIFYING OR DETAILING YOUR I30 => ELECTRICAL | ELECTRONIC | AUDIO => Topic started by: ouri30 on May 24, 2008, 14:35:25

Title: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: ouri30 on May 24, 2008, 14:35:25
I have read all that others have witten about upgrading the headlamps with HID Xenon kits.  What has worried me most about this is the legality of it.  I know lots of motorists have done it, but I can't find any information that suggests it is legal to do so unless the vehicle has self-levelling headlamps and has lense cleaning installed.  Hence my decision to take the following path.

I researched different Philips globes and found the one that is supposedly the brightest (and still legal) is the Philips Xtreme Power (+80%).  These are available in the H7 (low beam), but not the H1 (high beam).

Further research led me to the Osram Night Breaker (+90%).  These are available in a wider range of globe types including H1.  I found some forums, including some Aussie ones where users gave their impressions of the Philips Xtreme Power and the Osram Night Breaker globes.  Someone actually bought a set of each and tried them out to determine which gave the best driving light.  Osram Night Breaker got the nod and he gave the Philips Xtreme Power to a relative.

Based on this and some other reviews (all from the UK) that I found, I went ahead and ordered a pair of H7 and H1 for the i30, plus a pair of H4 for the Getz from http://www.powerbulbs.com in the UK.  Included was a pair of Philips Blue Vision W5W (hope these fit the parking lights on the i30).  Incidently, delivery is free, anywhere in the world.  All up, they have cost me £72.85 ($153.97AU)

It will be a while before they arrive, plus I am away for at least a week in Qld from Monday with the family (father-in-law passed away, aged 97, so not an enjoyable trip).  When the globes do arrive and I have the time to fit them, I shall let you know what I think of them on the road compared to the standard globes.

Cheers,
Bob
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Shambles on May 24, 2008, 15:12:44
Thanks for the info & research Bob.

Hope your trip goes as well as it can do, and you have my condolences.
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Shambles on May 24, 2008, 15:32:36
Just found a cheaper UK site selling these Night Breakers

http://www.autobulbsdirect.co.uk/home.php?cat=886 (http://www.autobulbsdirect.co.uk/home.php?cat=886)

H1 £19.00 (pair) delivered
H7 £19.46 (pair) delivered
H4 £18.36 (pair) delivered

Total £56.82 ($119.89AU)

(£38.46 ($81.15AU) for i30 components only)
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: ouri30 on May 24, 2008, 23:43:34
Had a loook at that site as well Shambles.  Decided against it as, from what I could see, the delivery was only to the UK, whereas the site I used was World Wide delivery included in the price.

Bob
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Thumper on May 25, 2008, 03:04:42
Quote from: "ouri30"
I have read all that others have witten about upgrading the headlamps with HID Xenon kits.  What has worried me most about this is the legality of it.  I know lots of motorists have done it, but I can't find any information that suggests it is legal to do so unless the vehicle has self-levelling headlamps and has lense cleaning installed.  

Bob, I am fully aware of the legalities involving retrofitting HiD lights into vehicles that do not have HiD fitted from the factory. Yes, you need  levelers (To avoid blinding oncoming traffic if you have a load in the back. Be it passengers or luggage) Also HiD housings have a different beam pattern that does not allow the ADR requirement for halogen lighting to produce 1.8% (Or 18%, can't remember which) of light that is meant to point up into the air, to illuminate road signs.

Putting HiD bulbs into normal halogen housings will, in 99% of the time produce dangerous glare for oncoming drovers.

This is why I opened up my headlamps and fitted 'scatter' shields that do not allow any light from the HiD bulb that would normal go upwards. Hence, I have 0% light transmission up into the air. (Just like a normal HiD install)

I have no problems with road signs at night, whilst on low beam. (I can see them perfectly)

Now, for levelers, I am looking around for the manual electric levelers that are found on most EU spec vehicles. I will be retrofitting them to the i30 soon. In the mean time, I carry a long Phillips head screwdriver for adjusting the lights on the fly.

Washers, a bottle of Mcguires quick detailer and a microfiber cloth sits in the back. No problems.  8-)

The high beam looks like I've fitted very expensive large driving lights to the front. (I'm actually finding them too bright)  :P
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Shambles on May 25, 2008, 07:16:01
Quote from: "ouri30"
Had a loook at that site as well Shambles.  Decided against it as, from what I could see, the delivery was only to the UK, whereas the site I used was World Wide delivery included in the price.

Bob
No it is free Bob, but as you've ordered now it doesn't matter :)

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Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Dazzler on May 25, 2008, 07:39:32
Thanks for all the info...

Knew I did the right thing buying a Kettle the other day. Will wait until get Bob's feedback before going the same way I reckon...

Sorry to hear about the F.I.L. Bob. Hope the trip goes OK in the circumstances..

Rgds,

Dazz
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: ouri30 on May 25, 2008, 11:11:46
Thanks Daz, Shambles and others I may have missed for your sympathy regarding the death of my F I L.  He has had a great innings, reaching 97.

I wish I had the confidence to fit HIDs Thumper.  Maybe down the track I might go this way, particularly for high beam.  But for now I want to try the easy way out and see what the results are like.  I appreciate your input and expertise with lighting.  I've read it with interest and will continue to consider HIDs in the future when and if they are accepted as legal in Oz.

Bob
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: 30L6805 on May 28, 2008, 06:58:18
any brothers here know how to call that thing?? projector head lamp (guessing)?
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Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Thumper on May 28, 2008, 09:12:42
Quote from: "30L6805"
any brothers here know how to call that thing?? projector head lamp (guessing)?

It's a projector low beam. Using a H7 Halogen bulb.

Normal reflector high beam, H1 Halogen bulb.
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Lakes on May 28, 2008, 20:17:56
the Problem using Halogen that put out a brighter light here in Australia, is in the summer they don't seem to last long. i have used them in the past. and on a hot summers night they let me down. having a light is better than no light at all! so i would not buy what works in the UK, to use here. might be ok in winter but won't be long and summer is back with us. i think i'd listen to Thumper as he seems to know more about lights. but if you have ordered them Bob will see how they work for you, but keep your stock globes with you!
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: 30L6805 on May 30, 2008, 02:33:36
Quote from: "Thumper"
Quote from: "30L6805"
any brothers here know how to call that thing?? projector head lamp (guessing)?

It's a projector low beam. Using a H7 Halogen bulb.

Normal reflector high beam, H1 Halogen bulb.

beside looking nice, what other benefit a projector low beam has over traditional one?
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: i30Dave on June 22, 2008, 09:13:40
I've just changed my headlights to Philips 50% brighter globes.
It's an easy process. Unplug the power to the lights. Undo 3
bolts and slide the headlight housing out the front. Takes 5 mins
to change each side. The high beam is H1 & the low beam is H7
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Dazzler on June 22, 2008, 09:18:50
Hi Dave,

So guess it cost you about $120 all up? Does it make as much difference as you hoped?

If a "deal comes off" I'm going to put a spoiler on the wife's Tiida and upgrade my globes to Philips or Osram and... go for a "Thumper exhaust upgrade"....  :P

Cheers,

Dazz
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: i30Dave on June 22, 2008, 09:27:16
No they only cost $40 & $50 each. Will go for a drive after dinner
to see how much difference there is
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Dazzler on June 22, 2008, 09:31:29
:?  So thats $180 all up then ....

Await results of your test with interest... did Bob end up fitting and testing his osrams?
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: i30Dave on June 22, 2008, 09:32:48
$90 all up. They come in sets of 2. Never heard back from Bob.
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Dazzler on June 22, 2008, 09:35:20
Derrrr.. I forgot they come in pairs.. (that's not bad). If you are as impressed as someone else was earlier (i forget who) might do them soon!  :D
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: ouri30 on June 22, 2008, 12:01:30
Sorrry All, haven't posted an update to the headlamps since fitting them.

The low beam and high beam Osram Nightbreaker lamps are certainly brighter than the standard lamps.  The light is certainly whiter and gives better breadth of view which is important in country driving. I am pleased with the result.  Undoubtedly, they would not compare with the Xenon HID upgrades, but I do not have to concern myself with the legalities of fitting HIDs.

I shall have to see if the globes fail in hotter weather.  Only time will tell.

Bob
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Dazzler on June 22, 2008, 12:05:53
If I upgrade my globes... They should last longer down here in the cool even if my fuel doesn't  :(
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: ouri30 on July 07, 2008, 11:20:32
Some of you may remember that I have fitted Osram Night Breaker globes to ouri30 (and also our Getz).  

Last night I gave a friend a ride back from golf on a country road.  He remarked on how good the lights were on the i30.  I think that speaks volumes for the effectiveness of the globe upgrade I have fitted.  I certainly notice the improvement.

Bob
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Dazzler on July 07, 2008, 11:30:37
Thanks Bob .. I was wondering...
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: i30manUK on July 07, 2008, 23:08:21
Thanks for all this good information Bob - I'll be buying some H1 & H7 Osram Nightbreakers tomorrow, to fit this weekend. The factory bulbs can become my spares in the boot!

Xenons are definitely only legal here in the UK if you've got headlamp washers fitted and I don't fancy that at all. My other car has bi-xenons, which are lovely, but the headlamp washers operate when you squirt the screenwash if the headlamps are on. This is a right pain in the a*se, especially when it sprays all over a newly washed and waxed bonnet!  :evil:


EDIT - Oooooooooooooooer, I just read this - http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/drs/hidheadlamps (http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/drs/hidheadlamps) - not so sure about buying the Osrams now, because they are xenons.


Edit #2 ...confusion over HID lights and xenon-filled bulbs is now resolved, thanks to bunnyip's post, below.
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: i30manUK on July 08, 2008, 19:35:59
Well - I've done it!

Just bought a set of Osram Nightbreaker H1's and a set of Osram Nightbreaker H7's - They come with 2 free sets of 501 W5W Extreme White Sidelight Bulbs - All for £32.96 (68.09aud) from here - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... WLIST#LIST (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360068372629&ih=023&category=72235&ssPageName=STORE:PROMOBOX:NEWLIST#LIST)
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Shambles on July 08, 2008, 19:41:55
Quote from: "i30manUK"
Just bought a set of Osram Nightbreaker H1's

Thanks i30manUK that's just forced my hand into doing the same! But only for H7 (dip) beams
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: TheBunyip on July 09, 2008, 05:55:06
A word of reassurance should it be needed.

It seems that i30manUK may have been a bit confused for a while. That word Xenon is used to confuse it seems.

This quote from http://www.alpha-bid.com/ explains fairly concisely.

"What is the difference between genuine XENON HID lights and Xenon gas-filled bulbs?

High Intensity Discharge (HID) is a type of lighting technology that replaces the filament of the light bulb with Xenon gas. The gas is ignited to produce an arc of light, when high voltage is applied. The amount of light output is three times that of a standard halogen bulb. The lamps also glow at a higher light temperature (closer to natural sunlight) that gives it its distinct color and appearance.

Other companies produce halogen bulbs that are gas-filled. They still have a filament as they are halogen technology, but the gas gives the bulb a bluer color when lit. Xenon-filled halogen bulbs produce little or no more light output then standard halogen bulbs of the same wattage."


Osram Night breakers are conventional if high output Bulbs. They are NOT High Intensity Discharge Lamps and do not come under Legal Restrictions, in the UK anyhow.

See http://www.osram.com/osram_com/Consumer/Automotive_Lighting/Products/Headlights/NIGHT_BREAKER/index.html

I use Night Breakers to avoid any legal hassle, coward that I am. I am also delighted with them.

Although Lakes was let down by High Output bulbs I do not know if he was just unlucky or perhaps High Ultraviolet exposure or High Ambient Temperatures in Australia may shorten the life of such bulbs. I confess that I cannot think why such bulbs would be less reliable in Australia. Maybe this will prompt someone to explain. On the other hand rough roads in Australia and there are plenty would create more vibration. Then again Australia is not unique in that respect. Oh &#!* I do not know.

If you see http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/products/products/212937/make_light_of_winter.html you might decide to try the Philips offering instead.

Unlike Auto Express I have found my Night Breakers  to be a pair of consistent  perfectly matched bulbs.

So as the Americans say "Your mileage may vary".
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: i30manUK on July 09, 2008, 06:55:03
Thanks for that Bunny - excellent post as usual - I admit I was confused and your post has cleared it all up. I had come to the concusion that the Osrams were ok, but you have confirmed it very neatly - thanks again.  ;)

I'll sleep well tonight!
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Dazzler on July 09, 2008, 11:13:51
Thanks to all and particularly Bun-yip.

It would be interesting to see how the Osram and Philips globes compare ...

Regards,

Dazz
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: ouri30 on July 10, 2008, 11:36:37
Can't remember where, but when I was researching about replacements for the standard bulbs, I came across a 4WD forum where someone in Oz purchased Philips +50 lamps and Osram Nightbreakers to try them both out.  His opinion was that the Osram Nightbreakers gave the best light.  He gave the Philips bulbs to his brother-in-law.

It was on the basis of this that I went for the Osram Nightbreakers.

Bob
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Dazzler on July 10, 2008, 12:28:41
Thanks Bob... If he'd given the Philips globes to his mother-in-law.. I would have avoided them like the plague.. :lol:
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: i30manUK on July 10, 2008, 12:31:55
Bob - did you encounter any issues or problems when swapping the H1's and H7's? I should be doing mine this weekend. - Will post a step-by-step photo guide!
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: ouri30 on July 10, 2008, 13:07:43
i30manUK,

Once I worked out how to remove the healamp units, it was a breeze.  

There are 3 bolts, two at the top and one half way down.  Remove the wiring loom plug (one only).  Then it requires a litttle fiddling and the lamp unit comes away (forward).  

Once out, it is a breeze to fit the globes 9much easier than any car I have owned recently.

Bob
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Shambles on July 10, 2008, 13:16:46
Thanks for the reminder Bob. I too should be fitting H7 Os NBs this weekend, unless it's raining heavily that is. Sounds a doddle  :D
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: i30manUK on July 10, 2008, 14:45:38
Thanks Bob - If it's only 3 bolts I think I've identified them already. Must say I agree with you regarding the ease of swapping - My other car is an absolute pig if you need to replace bulbs at the front - I have to remove wheel arch trim, lie on my back and cut my hand to ribbons just to change the sidelight!
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: eye30 on July 10, 2008, 17:22:50
Quote from: "Shambles"
I too should be fitting H7 Os NBs this weekend, unless it's raining heavily that is.

It's the Wirral show this weekend so No you won't as it always rains when the show is on.
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: i30manUK on July 10, 2008, 18:12:30
Guess what arrived today  :D  (only 24 hours after they were ordered!) They're fitted already. Here's a link to the step-by-step guide to fitting them... viewtopic.php?f=13&t=528 (https://www.i30ownersclub.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=528)

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Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: dani on July 10, 2008, 21:56:42
hi
my friend with KIA C`EED installed "Xenon" system, but he doesn't like lights, because they appeared yellow.
Than he bought "Philips cool blue", but they again appeared yellow. And i think, that "Osram system" is like "Philips"  
And than he found "Led lights".
This is the difference between them:
 - this is "white" Philips":
(http://www.postimage.org/gx1jAvD9.jpg)

- this is "Led":
(http://www.postimage.org/gx1jA1Hr.jpg)

- this is the difference (Left - Philips, right - Led):
(http://www.postimage.org/gx1jAX3J.jpg)
with two lights:
(http://www.postimage.org/gx1jCmRS.jpg)

This is his back number:
(http://www.postimage.org/gx1jF5YJ.jpg)
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Shambles on July 18, 2008, 22:04:58
Well eventually my order has arrived (2*H7 and 2*501).

What I'd like to know, is how much better the 501's are [brightness-wise] compared to the stock sidelights?

Too rainy to fit them here (good old UK weather) at the moment, but can I expect a significant brightness increase?
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Seoul-mate on July 19, 2008, 01:41:26
No....you'll still be as stupid as you always were.
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Dazzler on July 19, 2008, 10:35:23
Quote from: "Seoul-mate"
No....you'll still be as stupid as you always were.

Hey Russ.. fancy saying that about Shambles.... :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Shambles on July 19, 2008, 11:17:21
Quote from: "dazzling_darryl"
Quote from: "Seoul-mate"
No....you'll still be as stupid as you always were.

Hey Russ.. fancy saying that about Shambles.... :lol:  :lol:
I don't care.

Just about to go outside to fit my new bulbs, or globes as you call 'em  :)

We just got a brief respite from the rain. I reckon I've got about... 20 minutes.
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Dazzler on July 19, 2008, 11:46:15
Quote from: "Shambles"
I don't care.

I thought you would be as amused as me about Russ's quick retort....

Quote from: "Shambles"
We just got a brief respite from the rain. I reckon I've got about... 20 minutes.

More rain... It's a wonder evolution hasn't given you guys web feet  :shock:
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Shambles on July 19, 2008, 12:00:51
Hehe true Dazz.

I just got one set installed. Had to stop 4 times and cover the hole, closing the bonnet too.

And now it's a bleeding torrent we got. Jeesh
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: i30manUK on July 19, 2008, 12:15:05
Good news Shambles - god they took their time to arrive mate.

The weather forecast for today is for a few light showers - interspersed with long heavy torrential periods of rain  :lol:

...gona be windy too, so be careful with your hood up!
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Shambles on July 19, 2008, 12:28:46
Cheers

Just finished. They look good.

Bit of a bugger getting the offside back in - it didn't want to play. Nothing that a real good shove couldn't cure tho  :D

Oh, and that was a good tip about applying grease to the bolts, as they were very dry when I removed them
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Seoul-mate on July 20, 2008, 01:14:29
No offence meant Shambles.....hope Fergie's bulbs shine long and bright,
Russ.
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Shambles on July 20, 2008, 13:11:49
Hey Russ. I refer you to my previous reply...

Quote
I don't care.
:D
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Dazzler on November 01, 2008, 12:01:38
Finally got round to getting some better headlight globes (the catalyst was the gift voucher from Autobarn my Daughter gave me)

Decided to try the H7 (Low beam ones first) They were $50 for Philips+50% or $80 for Philips+80% (I went for the dearer ones)

From what the guys tell me I wont need to put the H1's in the High beam... I'll try and do it 2moro or Monday and let you know how it goes  :D
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Shambles on November 01, 2008, 12:18:00
Does that mean your avatar will get brighter too  :lol:
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Dazzler on November 01, 2008, 17:53:29
:P
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Dazzler on November 02, 2008, 04:35:43
Put the H7 (+80%) in - you guys were right easy peasy...interesting they look like they might be made in the same German Philips factory as the originals (almost identical) hard to believe they are nearly twice as bright.. Can't wait for it to get dark (about 8.00pm these days...long dusk in Tas)

Looks like I paid through the nose for them at $80 the pair but nothing else at Autobarn for me at the moment.

Wouldn't want to pay for a replacement assemby (looks expensive  :shock: )
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Dazzler on November 02, 2008, 11:32:22
Sorry about the triple posting but just did 60Km return trip (the return 30 in the dark) and the +80's are great...Combined with the existing high beams quite adequate. Might go for the +50% H1's for the high beams at $40 when I need some more retail therapy just for an extra boost :P
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Shambles on November 02, 2008, 12:20:23
Hey dazz - welcome to the dark side.

I mean, the bright side.

Or the light side
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Shambles on December 11, 2008, 16:37:06
Well my first Nightbreaker just went on me coming home tonight :(

Have checked the offside fuse (under the bonnet, fuse number 16) and it looked ok. Swapped it with the nearside HL fuse and still nothing.

So, it looks like another pair of bulbs to be purchased :(
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Dazzler on December 11, 2008, 20:35:02
Hope mine last longer than that!
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Shambles on December 11, 2008, 21:06:06
I need to check there's no damp in the housing as I can't see why one would blow so early in it's life. Dammed hardware. Always breaks on me
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: ouri30 on December 13, 2008, 09:18:55
Well my first Nightbreaker just went on me coming home tonight :(

Have checked the offside fuse (under the bonnet, fuse number 16) and it looked ok. Swapped it with the nearside HL fuse and still nothing.

So, it looks like another pair of bulbs to be purchased :(

Bad luck Shambles.  Haven't had any issues with ours (touch wood).  Was it the high or low beam?

Bob
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Shambles on December 13, 2008, 09:45:51
Hi Bob. It was the offside H7 (I don't have Osrams in the hi beam)

Just waiting in now for the morning's post; should have a pair of them shortly. Hopefully the rain will take a break so I can replace the broken one
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Thumper on December 14, 2008, 13:05:56
No issues with blown bulbs here! (Chalk one up for HiD!)  :cool:
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Shambles on December 14, 2008, 14:04:41
Well I changed the bulb yesterday and the filament was completely missing. Not even rolling around the bulb. Looks like it has completely vaporised  :'(
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: eye30 on December 14, 2008, 14:09:04
Well I changed the bulb yesterday and the filament was completely missing. Not even rolling around the bulb. Looks like it has completely vaporised  :'(

Hope you get better return from the new bulbs.
Let us know in 4 weeks if they are still working.
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Dazzler on December 14, 2008, 19:50:48
The wife borrowed my car for a mercy dash to the stepdaughter at 10.30 pm the other night (no fuel in hers)...20 minute trip to Sheffield on nice winding road.

She came back in the morning very impressed with everything except my high beams. :'(

I've got Philips +80% in the low beams but high beams are standard (sounds like I'll have to upgrade the high beams now)  :razz:

Mercy dash turned out to be a false alarm (baby due in January decided he didn't want to come early after all) :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Shambles on January 12, 2009, 08:27:00
Well I changed the bulb yesterday and the filament was completely missing. Not even rolling around the bulb. Looks like it has completely vaporised  :'(

Hope you get better return from the new bulbs.
Let us know in 4 weeks if they are still working.

Thanks mate, you really jinxed me  :'(

Lost the nearside Osram this morning as soon as I turned them on. Will replace tonight.

Good job they come in pairs.

If either of these replacements blow in the next 12 months I'll put the stock bulbs back on.
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Dazzler on January 23, 2009, 10:50:57
On the way home tonight (at dusk) lights weren't lighting up the street signs at all so we stopped to check them (yep they were on) .. when we got home we realised only had parks unless went high beam. :eek:

So looks like I've either blown both my Philips +80 globes (only about 2 months old) or blown a fuse (although doubt there would be a separate fuse for the low beams?) :rolleyes:

Not happy Jan... hope I can find my receipt  :evil:

Shambles...Did you try and get free replacements for your Osrams that blew?
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Shambles on January 23, 2009, 11:40:07
Shambles...Did you try and get free replacements for your Osrams that blew?

Never tried as they were from eBay and I couldn't be bothered. My replacements seem fine ATM.

The low beams have separate fuses (engine bay)
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Dazzler on January 23, 2009, 11:50:19
I got mine from Autobarn (an Australia-wide car accessory franchise) so if I check them in the morning and it's the globes not the fuse then hopefully I can get replacements..

at A$70 a pair they'd want to last more than 2 months... :eek:
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Shambles on January 23, 2009, 11:53:47
Both blowing together would be unlikely Dazz.
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Dazzler on January 25, 2009, 21:42:11
Both blowing together would be unlikely Dazz.

Checked them yesterday .. both gone unfortunately (clean break in both filaments)

Guess they may have got hot during the day (as I drive with low beams on pretty much all the time) and I must have hit a rough patch of road or a pothole maybe?

Found the receipt but not holding my breath as the local Autobarn where I bought them are not overly helpful...Only got them 1st November 08!  :'(
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Shambles on January 25, 2009, 21:52:40
Philips & Osrams eh?

You'd think we'd bought major brands, but obviously not :lol:
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Thumper on January 26, 2009, 00:17:46
HiD still working perfectly, used every day.  :cool:
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: eye30 on January 26, 2009, 20:09:52

as I drive with low beams on pretty much all the time

Why?

Is it a requirement in Tassie?
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Dazzler on January 26, 2009, 20:56:30
Why?
Is it a requirement in Tassie?

Hi Eye.. 2 Reasons...

So the dash is illuminated (because I nearly always drive with sunnies on the dash is just too dark without illumination..

Safety.. Think moonlight blue would probably be third worst colour after Gunmetal grey and black for blending into the road .. I.M.O.

But mainly the first reason  :razz:
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Shambles on January 26, 2009, 20:58:46
Plus, you like being seen in your lil ole i30 :D
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Dazzler on January 26, 2009, 20:59:59
Yeah.. there is that too.. You do get more looks with the lights on  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: eye30 on January 26, 2009, 22:05:13

So the dash is illuminated (because I nearly always drive with sunnies on the dash is just too dark without illumination..


I know what you mean.

That was the 1st thing I noticed in that the speedo was dark, even when bright day light.
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Dazzler on January 30, 2009, 11:30:54
UPDATE....Turns out I bought the globes at the Launceston Autobarn (100kms from home)

So today I just had to go the long and winding road to Launceston (instead of the boring old highway) to try and get them sorted  :D (and visit some friends)

Fortunately, The Launceston Autobarn is very helpful and after ringing the Philips Rep gave me free replacements... Here's the story...

They showed me a picture from their Philips trouble shooting book that showed globes that looked like mine where the filament had melted into a ball at one end.. and it said caused by a power surge which they suggested could happen if had been say "listening to the radio with just the accessories on for 15 minutes or so" then started the car with the lights on ... (not that I do that).

Interestingly, these high performance globes are driven so hard they are only rated for around 400hours (where standard globes are usually rated as long life) around 1200 hours.

Think I was quite lucky to get replacements (and highly recommend Autobarn in Launceston for their excellent service)

So the bottom line is.. I have now decided to only leave my lights on "park" all the time now instead of full (so my dash is illuminated whenever I am driving) they still go out when I extract the key and open the driver's door... But, I shouldn't run the risk of blowing any more low beams as I will only turn them on after starting the car when it is dark enough to need them... 

Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Shambles on January 30, 2009, 11:34:03
I'd best get my passport ready for a trip to Tassie for my next lot then.

Good result Dazz
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Dazzler on January 30, 2009, 11:49:33
I'd best get my passport ready for a trip to Tassie for my next lot then.
Good result Dazz

I'll put the kettle on... :D
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Hemmi on January 30, 2009, 12:34:57
One of my globe died yesterday, bought new today, Osram Cool Blue.

They look whiter than the original, It's not dark yet,
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Dazzler on January 30, 2009, 21:50:46
Hi Hemmi..

Look forward to some more feedback  :cool:
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Hemmi on January 31, 2009, 00:48:09
Hi Hemmi..

Look forward to some more feedback  :cool:

It's starting to take longer time to get dark now, so It wasn't very dark when I went home from work, but there was one thing I noticed,
There seams to be a brighter white strike from the left globe, I didn't have time to take a picture of it but here's a quick illustration I made how it looks, I have no idea what it is?

(http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u52/hermannh/OCB.jpg)

I'll have a better look at it up against a wall when I get the chance.
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Dazzler on January 31, 2009, 07:42:05
That's a bit wierd!
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Thumper on February 01, 2009, 03:57:06
Either the globe is not sitting properly in the holder, causing a 'hot spot' in the reflector, or you have something on the lens refracting the light. (Clean the outside of the headlamp lens)

Another idea, swap the bulb over to the other lamp, if the line now appears from the other lamp, the bulb is at fault. (Could be slightly out of alignment when manufactured.)

Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Hemmi on February 01, 2009, 20:05:14
Either the globe is not sitting properly in the holder, causing a 'hot spot' in the reflector, or you have something on the lens refracting the light. (Clean the outside of the headlamp lens)

Another idea, swap the bulb over to the other lamp, if the line now appears from the other lamp, the bulb is at fault. (Could be slightly out of alignment when manufactured.)



Thanks Thumper, I swapped the bulbs over to the other lamp and now it looks OK  :D
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: IMCRZY on January 04, 2010, 13:11:43
Rather than startin another thread i thought i would use an existing headlight upgrade thread lol.....

Anyways the question is Has anyone upgraded to 100w globes????

Looking for some globes and found some 100w globes in a package for $40 (Trade Price) for the H7's & H1's (4 Globes)....

I Put 130w globes in my Subaru and never had a problem.... But just looking forward to feedback to make my final desiction
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Dazzler on January 04, 2010, 21:16:13
Ia would think that was a bit risky.. The philips + 80's and Osram Nightbreakers would be a safer bet...
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Shambles on February 10, 2010, 10:13:59
Well I have decided to return to stock bulbs as my third set of Osram upgrades have now blown (well, just the offside went this morning but I'm expecting similar things of its sibling).

Never had to replace so many bulbs so quickly.... :(
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Dazzler on February 10, 2010, 10:22:04
Well I have decided to return to stock bulbs as my third set of Osram upgrades have now blown (well, just the offside went this morning but I'm expecting similar things of its sibling).

Never had to replace so many bulbs so quickly.... :(

I drive around a lot with my (standard) low beam lights on but haven't had to use my high beams that much.. the replacement +80 phiilips I got under warranty (in my high beams) seem to be hanging in there ok...
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Hemmi on February 10, 2010, 10:31:44
Well I have decided to return to stock bulbs as my third set of Osram upgrades have now blown (well, just the offside went this morning but I'm expecting similar things of its sibling).

Never had to replace so many bulbs so quickly.... :(

I dont think the bulbs are the problem, I think the i30 is the problem.

I saw an i30 few days ago, I see allot of them all the time, and I realised that most of the i30 I see have a broken bulb, and sometimes both bulbs. I that normal? That everytime I see an i30 it has a broken bulb?

Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Dazzler on February 10, 2010, 10:35:40
But Hemmi... with all our members we havent had negative feedback on the standard globes...
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Hemmi on February 10, 2010, 11:01:28
But Hemmi... with all our members we havent had negative feedback on the standard globes...

Maybe it's a problem with some cars imported to Iceland? I don't know, just find it kind of strange.
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Lorian on February 10, 2010, 11:20:37
This thread on "the other place" might be interesting, from someone in AU. Perhaps someone who has an account there can ask if there is an update. Maybe the OP is here too, I'm not sure:

http://www.hyundai-forums.com/t44526-i30-low-beam-failure.htm
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Shambles on February 10, 2010, 12:13:04
But Hemmi... with all our members we havent had negative feedback on the standard globes...

Yes, correct. I'm making a big assumption that the bulbs I obtained via heBay might have been in some way substandard, bearing in mind the price I paid for each set.

I'll fit the original bulbs back in at the weekend.
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Shambles on February 10, 2010, 17:37:31
I'll fit the original bulbs back in at the weekend.

Done, in record time :D

Offside (blown) replacement: 4 minutes from starting, to tightening the last bolt.

Nearside, 6 minutes (and a cut finger)
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Myowni30 on February 10, 2010, 19:45:35
Perhaps a poll to see if there is a problem.

Say for standard bulbs and also legal upgrades etc.
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: bumpkin on February 11, 2010, 08:40:15
I am still on my original bulbs after 1.5years with the switch left on AUTO all the time, so for Scotland that is approximately 4 months per annum with the lights on to come to work and go home.
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: eye30 on February 11, 2010, 18:43:05
Never changed a bulb since the day I picked up in 2.25 years
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: SergeyZdravkov on March 03, 2010, 20:10:30
Changed today low beam bulb - first for almost 2 years. Bought "Hella Bulb H7, 12 V, 55 W PX 26 d" which is close to the standard bulb.
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Dazzler on March 03, 2010, 20:20:18
Hi Sergey Been a while since you posted..Your car still going well?  :cool:
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: SergeyZdravkov on March 03, 2010, 22:27:08
Hi Sergey Been a while since you posted..Your car still going well?  :cool:

Hi Dazz. That's right :) i30 still goes well... and hope be the same way for a long time 8)
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: LuciferDarklord on March 06, 2010, 11:58:23
My passenger side low beam bulb blew 2 weeks ago, I drive with them switched on almost all the time (18 months 45k).  I replaced them with a HID Xenon 35W 6000k to match my high beams.  Illegal I know but I checked the alignment on my shed door where I had marked them previously, the new bulbs are slightly lower than before (about 10mm on the door at 3m distance) with no noticeable light bleed.  No-one has flashed me yet and I can say the lights are brilliant.  They cant be any worse than a lot of the thai built Hondas getting around that have HID - they are almost all adjusted way too high.
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: IMCRZY on March 06, 2010, 13:07:56
I find the standard lights just fine will not upgrade untill 1 blows
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: FixedR6 on March 19, 2010, 03:51:16
How does replacing the bulbs effect your warranty?

The reason I ask is the girlfriend put the Philips BlueVision's in her Getz a while back, and they blew. It turns out they caused some problems with the wiring (drew more current perhaps?). She was lucky and got the repairs done under warranty, but only because she knew the guys at the shop pretty well.

After reading through the thread it sounds like the best thing to do is leave well enough alone?

Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Lorian on March 19, 2010, 13:11:14
They are user serviceable part (just  :rolleyes:), but you don't want to be using uprated wattage without uprating the wiring, and probably using a relay. Here in the UK anything about the 55w is illegal anyway. A good propotion of the upgrades (excluding the HID users) you see on this site still draw the same current, just use different gas and filliments to burn brighter/whiter.
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Myowni30 on March 31, 2010, 18:54:05
I am using the Philips Blue Vision bulbs (12v 55w) without any problems. I had them in my first i30 and took them out of that car to put into my latest i30. Still working fine.
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Dazzler on April 11, 2010, 07:10:38
I had to take both my lights out today as one of my Philips +80 H7 globes in the projector lights had blown after a bit over 12 months I'm guessing..

anyway I decided to keep things even by putting both the original H7 globes back in and then put her back together (I guess 20 minutes all up)

but.. Murphy's Law  :rolleyes: now... one of my park light globes has decided to give up the ghost... :mad:

I specifically checked them when I noticed the drivers side upgrade had died and it was fine.. I have checked that I put the connector back on firmly.. so now I have to go get one of those..  :'( (at least they are cheap)
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Pip on April 11, 2010, 11:43:25
They are user serviceable part (just  :rolleyes:), but you don't want to be using uprated wattage without uprating the wiring, and probably using a relay...
Sorry to visit this post so late but I would have expected the standard lights to be already using a relay (isn't this normal in this day and age?). If they are not then maybe that partially explains why they are so bloody dull and perhaps the running of a decent wire directly from the battery and adding relay control might be sufficient on its own to lift the brightness to something useful. No?
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Myowni30 on April 11, 2010, 12:59:56
They are user serviceable part (just  :rolleyes:), but you don't want to be using uprated wattage without uprating the wiring, and probably using a relay...
Sorry to visit this post so late but I would have expected the standard lights to be already using a relay (isn't this normal in this day and age?). If they are not then maybe that partially explains why they are so bloody dull and perhaps the running of a decent wire directly from the battery and adding relay control might be sufficient on its own to lift the brightness to something useful. No?

The standard system does use relays for the headlights, and for most other necessary systems that require them. But Hyundai uses the least it can get away with in all it vehicles  :lol:
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Lorian on April 11, 2010, 13:10:49
When I said it would probably need a relay I meant a different one or extra one. I'm sure there there will be one already but I've not focused on it's rating, or it's corresponding fuse. If it's 20A or more I guess you might jusy get away with it, but it wouldn't be for me.

The lights are quite acceptable with four nightbreaker bulbs in.
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: penak on April 11, 2010, 22:22:28
When I said it would probably need a relay I meant a different one or extra one. I'm sure there there will be one already but I've not focused on it's rating, or it's corresponding fuse. If it's 20A or more I guess you might jusy get away with it, but it wouldn't be for me.

The lights are quite acceptable with four nightbreaker bulbs in.

The H7 bulbs are 55W, so 20A rated fuze is far more than enough. At 12V, 55W means 4.6A per side, so less than 10 A total.

Our other car is a Fiat Stilo MW JTD, which has one of those really silly headlight designs, a bulb change is a mandatory garage job, no way of doing it by yourself as you need to jack the car up. I have learned to use Philips Long Life bulbs in it, they will last one year on constant use (we are here in Finland required by the law to keep lights on day and night all year round, which IS a great safety feature.).

Nightbreakers are nice, but will last only half of that...

Luckily the bulb change in i30 seems to be an easy job, the bulbs don't cost much anything anyway, whatever you use.
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Lorian on April 12, 2010, 08:02:38
Sure, but if you put a pair of 100w bulbs in there its starting to look marginal (~17A), and presumably why someone reported a wire melt.

I actually think the high beam is pretty good anyway, it was the low beam that I didn't like until I put the nightbreakers in. I know they don't last so long, but I carry the original H7's too, and the cost of them here in the uk is not significant.
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Dazzler on May 08, 2010, 05:30:20
I recently went back to the original H7 low beam globes after my Philips + 80's died (they are just too dull!!!)

I went to buy some more philips +80's or equiv and Autobarn wanted A$85 (paid A$70 last time I think)

Went to Repco next (because I think supercheap only has Calibre I think which from past experience aren't much better than the OEM)

Anyway, to cut a long story short they had Narva +80 on special from A$77 down to about A$49 I think (but had sold out) Got an even better deal on some Narva +50's normally A$75 a pair (for A$33  :mrgreen: :mrgreen:)
These were on clearance due to the packageing being a bit tatty...

Have found Repco to be pretty helpful lately but not sure how long these specials are on (they can order the +80's in at that A$49 price...)

EDIT: Narva (German Made globes) on special until 23/5/10 see catalogue link here...(Australia only I think)

http://www.lasoo.com.au/catalogue/repco-catalogue-champion-deals/4ia85ss7o.html
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: accim on May 19, 2010, 08:08:17
Damn, after I've put the "OEM" bulbs out, I installed xenon kit. I had it for almost a year, than I replaced it with regular bulbs again, so I wouldn't have problems with police. After a while, I decided to get some "better" bulbs for more visibility, so I bought Osram Silverstar.. They lasted for a month or two and then one just died :eek: So I'm back on "stock" ones, that came with the car again.. :) I'll try to find some good ones from Philips. Hope they'll last longer.
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Lorian on May 19, 2010, 08:47:07
I had the same set of 4 silverstars (+30) in my Vectra for about 4 years and they didn't blow. In fact two of them have been in our 207 for 6 months too. So one of us is lucky/not lucky I guess. Subjectively the nightbreakers do seem brighter than the silverstars, and just a tiny bit colder in colour temp.

In the UK I have lots of luck sourcing bulbs on ebay at good prices.
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Dazzler on May 19, 2010, 09:47:01
Hi Lorian haven't heard of those over her in Aus..

An update on the Narva + 50's I bought (see recent posing in this thread) They are a definite improvement on the OEM. Highly recommended at the price I paid (which expires 23/5 at Repco)
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Lorian on May 19, 2010, 13:38:25
With regards to blulbs blowing, I did notice on "one of the other i30 forums" mentioned an issue relating to this where the battery earth (behind the battery) was suspect. There wasn't anything concrete to back this up though, but perhaps worth a look for anyone with issues.
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Dazzler on May 19, 2010, 13:49:43
Also best to play it safe by not having the lights on full (park lights o/k) when starting the car as apparently in some situations a slight surge can occur which can blow the globes .. This was what Autobarn diagnosed as a possible cause when they inspected my first set of Phillips +80's which only lasted a month or so (and were fortunately replaced free of charge)
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Pip on May 19, 2010, 14:28:59
Also best to play it safe by not having the lights on full (park lights o/k) when starting the car as apparently in some situations a slight surge can occur which can blow the globes .. This was what Autobarn diagnosed as a possible cause when they inspected my first set of Phillips +80's which only lasted a month or so (and were fortunately replaced free of charge)

I think a simpler explanation is that the filament simply fused (melted) at switch-on. Whether that happened when the ignition was turned on to start the engine or the light switch itself was turned at some other time is probably irrelevant except that the voltage will be higher when the engine is already running. Higher voltage implies higher current. Higher current means higher temperatures. A high temperature is obviously needed to melt the filament.

Brighter lights run a higher temperature filament so by definition brighter lights are running closer to the fuseable temperature all the time. This is not the direct cause though. The cause it that the filament resistance has a positive temperature coefficient, which means that when cold the resistance is low, much lower than when hot. So at switch on the instantaneous high current can heat the filament to melting point. Pop!

I guess we have all experienced a light that pops right when switched on. Goes off like a flash bulb - literally.
 
I'm talking about "normal" globes (bulbs) here.

To overcome this for very expensive lights such as used in film projectors there would be a "slow-start" circuit that works like an automatic light dimmer to warm the filament slowly (over several milliseconds).

That's my guess.
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Dazzler on May 19, 2010, 14:33:05
Sounds logical Pip .. thanks for your explanation  :wink:
Title: Re: Headlamp Globe Upgrades
Post by: Shambles on May 19, 2010, 14:38:27
That's us telt
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