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Title: Speed Limit control
Post by: eye30 on May 26, 2012, 12:13:39
According to the Owners Manual, once you have set the speed limit, say 30 mph, and you wish to drive over the preset speed limit it says you must depress hard on the accelerator pedal, more than 80%, until the throttle resistance switch works with a clicking noise.

Well today I tried this and nothing happened. 

The car speeded up to the set limit and a chime was heard, per the manual, as it just went over the set limit by 1-2 mph but the car's speed wouldn't go any faster.  I was expecting to go higher than this to say 40 mph..

Anyone with this function, comments would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: Doggie 1 on May 26, 2012, 12:18:07
I can't really help, other than to say that if it doesn't over ride that function when you push the accelerator hard, it would be a bit of a safety issue.
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: eye30 on May 26, 2012, 12:28:15
I it would be a bit of a safety issue.

That's what my thoughts are.

I'm due to call in at the dealers soon so I'll ask them but wanted to find out from others before I call in to see if it was the correct or an issue with the car.
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: Shambles on May 26, 2012, 13:28:42
^ what happens if you tap the brake gently then try to accelerate?
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: eye30 on May 26, 2012, 16:36:40
^ what happens if you tap the brake gently then try to accelerate?

Not tried that but I will next time I'm out and about.
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: Phil №❶ on May 27, 2012, 02:42:23
Tapping the brake will cancel the CC and allow the accelerator to function normally. It never ceases to amaze me just how complex / different our cars are between regions. I like to use cc as much as possible, even on good runs in the city with light traffic. There are so many speed cameras around, I prefer to let the car keep the speed in check. However, with the CC set, I can gently press the pedal to any speed higher than the set limit. There are no alarms or audible warnings at all. I have a vague recollection that I sped up to a higher limit and the CC set the new speed as it's new set speed without me touching any buttons. I though that was pretty cool.

The system as described by eye30 would be downright dangerous IMO. There are times when kickdown or high acceleration may be required, I wouldn't be too happy about the car overriding my instructions ever.  :neutral:
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: rustynutz on May 27, 2012, 09:32:18
I'd be taking the car back to be looked at, Lester....  :undecided:

The system as described by eye30 would be downright dangerous IMO. There are times when kickdown or high acceleration may be required, I wouldn't be too happy about the car overriding my instructions ever.  :neutral:

 :whsaid:

This is one reason why I shudder every time our safetycrats trot out the idea of governors on our vehicles...... :mad:
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: eye30 on May 27, 2012, 13:13:32
It is NOT the CC which I'm talking about. 

The CC works OK and as described does cancel if I touch brake, clutch.

It is the SPEED LIMITER which set the max speed you can go at.
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: Phil №❶ on May 27, 2012, 13:16:05
 :wtf: Never heard of that   :exclaim:
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: eye30 on May 27, 2012, 13:27:41
:wtf: Never heard of that   :exclaim:

Here is a link to one used by Ford's:

http://www.autoweek.com/article/20120322/CARNEWS/120329935 (http://www.autoweek.com/article/20120322/CARNEWS/120329935)
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: Phil №❶ on May 27, 2012, 13:34:56
So, you have a Hy OEM one fitted or is it aftermarket  :question:
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: Shambles on May 27, 2012, 13:38:51
It is the SPEED LIMITER which set the max speed you can go at.

:eek: that's a new one on me


Did you put the pedal to the metal in trying to overcome this limiter thing?
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: rustynutz on May 27, 2012, 15:04:40
This speed limiter was mentioned in AlanHo's excellent "First Impressions" of the new model i30....  :)

https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=14198.msg155837#msg155837 (https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=14198.msg155837#msg155837)



Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: eye30 on May 27, 2012, 15:25:16
So, you have a Hy OEM one fitted or is it aftermarket  :question:

Factory fitted.

See spec at this link:
http://www.hyundai-car.co.uk/newCars/i30/ (http://www.hyundai-car.co.uk/newCars/i30/)

click on the Active model, right of main picture, and it is listed at 2nd item.
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: eye30 on May 27, 2012, 15:30:27
It is the SPEED LIMITER which set the max speed you can go at.

:eek: that's a new one on me


Did you put the pedal to the metal in trying to overcome this limiter thing?

Yes.

On the motorway this morning I set limit to 45 mph.

Let my speed reduce to 40 MPH then floored the pedal.

The speed increased to about 47 MPH but wouldn't go any higher/faster and chimes started to warn me I'd exceeded the set limit.

reduced to 45 MPH and chimes stopped.

The sensation was just like a clutch slipped but without the increased revs.


From AlanHo write up:
"This is not cruise control – you are still in charge of the car’s speed via the throttle - it simply prevents the car from exceeding the set speed. However -  you can beat the system by pressing hard down on the accelerator – a bit like kick down on an auto – whereupon you can exceed the set limit to your heart’s content - but a loud annoying chime will sound until you behave yourself."

Now I didn't get:
"...you can exceed the set limit to your heart’s content"

So it is on my list when I call into the dealer next week.

Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: Phil №❶ on May 27, 2012, 23:55:44
This speed limiter was mentioned in AlanHo's excellent "First Impressions" of the new model i30....  :)

https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=14198.msg155837#msg155837 (https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=14198.msg155837#msg155837)

So much info in that article I can't take it all in. One way to remember it all, would be to buy one I suppose.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: neoto on May 28, 2012, 11:44:38
I have a speed limiter along the CC in my 2011 i30cw. It works flawlessly - it blocks you from accelerating over the preset limit, but depressing the accelerator pedal over 80% deactivates it temporarily and the car accelerates normally as if there was nothing holding it back. The warning chime can be heard all the time the limiter is activated and you go faster than the preset speed. Braking does NOT deactivate speed limit control. The limiter is deactivated until you reach the speed below the preset limit. During the inactive time (with the warning chime heard) accelerator can be used normally and not just above 80%.

Another peculiar thing - I have + and - buttons to adjust speed. When in limit mode, the instrument cluster display shows the current set speed limit and pressing + or - increases or decreases the speed by 1 km/h. In normal cruise control, no speed is displayed, but + and - changes the preset speed in steps around 1.6 km/h (1 mph). I don't really understand the logics of using kph for speed limit and mph for cruise control in a car that is sold with kph instrument cluster.
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: Phil №❶ on May 28, 2012, 11:57:27
Very interesting neoto, I learnt something today :)
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: eye30 on May 28, 2012, 12:12:16
depressing the accelerator pedal over 80% deactivates it temporarily and the car accelerates normally as if there was nothing holding it back.

This isn't happening with my car.
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: Pip on May 28, 2012, 16:09:11
I have worked with digital electronics (computers) almost since their inception.  It is obvious that once things are digitized almost anything can be manipulated with a precision unknown before. That is: almost anything can be done (within the limits of the machine and programmer)!

The question I have is; do we want computers to do everything or leave some to the vastly superior intellect of... us?

This sort of thing seems to fit my concern.  I prefer things that rely on human control where we are (thus far) much more capable for simple tasks such as maintaining a certain speed while able to monitor many other thing simultaneously.

Don't get me wrong, I accept things like ESC/ESP because this sort of thing cannot be done by us.  But speed limiting where you can't override it...  gimme a break! That's just stupid programming and stupid acceptance of an inferior way to do things.

Many things will be done digitally because for no other reason than they can (be).

PS. beware of things I write late on a Thursday and Monday... usually a bit molly...  :wacko:
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: eye30 on May 28, 2012, 17:35:01
PS. beware of things I write late on a Thursday... usually a bit molly...  :wacko:

And with today only being Monday I wonder what's in store for the lead up to Thursday.   :cool:
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: Dazzler on May 28, 2012, 22:36:45
I would like a speed limiter on the Hybrid .. because of the low rolling resistance tyres and some of the other technology she tries to run away down hills (even with the cruise on)

When I tested the 2012 model recently it seemed better in that regard  :goodjob: (I think it might even have the speed limit function - although I didn't know how to deploy it  :-[
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: Pip on May 28, 2012, 22:37:39
PS. beware of things I write late on a Thursday... usually a bit molly...  :wacko:

And with today only being Monday I wonder what's in store for the lead up to Thursday.   :cool:
Yeah, I remembered after I went to bed :rofl: :rofl: Almost proves my point doesn't it.
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: rustynutz on May 29, 2012, 00:13:23
I would like a speed limiter on the Hybrid ..


Your car already has one, mate.... :whistler:

It's called a brake....and another option would be to ease off the accelerator....  :eek:  :lol:
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: Dazzler on May 29, 2012, 01:52:27
I would like a speed limiter on the Hybrid ..


Your car already has one, mate.... :whistler:

It's called a brake....and another option would be to ease off the accelerator....  :eek:  :lol:

That is all very well but if I go down a longish hill with my cruise on 110 I can be doing 125 at the bottom easily. If I ride the brake I then have to reset cruise at the bottom. Even minor inclines can get me to 115 which will get you booked in some places  :blubber:
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: AlanHo on May 29, 2012, 07:12:28
The Hyundai speed limiter will not help you Dazz. On my car it prevents me from driving beyond the above limit when using the throttle - but on a steep downslope with foot off the accelerator the car will gather speed. The brakes are not linked in and must be manually applied
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: neoto on May 29, 2012, 07:26:34
Well, in Audi A6, the CC is tied to the brakes and in the case of a run-away down the slope, CC starts applying brakes. I'm not sure if it also increased the engine rpm first.
Dazzler, do you also have 'B' mode on your transmission like there is in Prius? I am not sure whether the CC disengages when changing from D to B.
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: Dazzler on May 29, 2012, 11:48:00
Dazzler, do you also have 'B' mode on your transmission like there is in Prius? I am not sure whether the CC disengages when changing from D to B.

Yes it does and I use it for say very steep 80kph hills, but medium, faster down slopes with the cruise on it slows the car down too much  :undecided:

The Hyundai speed limiter will not help you Dazz. On my car it prevents me from driving beyond the above limit when using the throttle - but on a steep downslope with foot off the accelerator the car will gather speed. The brakes are not linked in and must be manually applied

That is interesting Alan..
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: neoto on May 29, 2012, 12:09:09
Dazzler, do you also have 'B' mode on your transmission like there is in Prius? I am not sure whether the CC disengages when changing from D to B.

Yes it does and I use it for say very steep 80kph hills, but medium, faster down slopes with the cruise on it slows the car down too much  :undecided:

Does the cruise control work in B mode? Doesn't it maintain the speed?
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: Dazzler on May 29, 2012, 13:40:52
Dazzler, do you also have 'B' mode on your transmission like there is in Prius? I am not sure whether the CC disengages when changing from D to B.

Yes it does and I use it for say very steep 80kph hills, but medium, faster down slopes with the cruise on it slows the car down too much  :undecided:

Does the cruise control work in B mode? Doesn't it maintain the speed?
:confused:

I need to check that
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: eye30 on May 30, 2012, 11:45:38
Sorted ---- Result.


Called at dealers today and went out with the techi.

You have to "FLOOR" the accelerator pedal to exceed the set limit.

By just exceeding the 80% travel doesn't over ride the system.

Once past the set limit the chimes keep going until the speed reduces to below the set limit.
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: Doggie 1 on May 30, 2012, 11:46:54
Glad it's sorted and working as it should.
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: Dazzler on May 30, 2012, 11:48:21
Did you put your "foot down" about the reversing sensors too  :winker: :lol:
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: eye30 on May 30, 2012, 12:00:09
Did you put your "foot down" about the reversing sensors too  :winker: :lol:

Yes.

They rang, I think HY HQ while I was there and they came back and told me that all factory fitted on the blue cars are black.

They had 2 blue i30's in the showroom and both are black.

So unless I decide to paint them they will stay black.

I ak them to lodge a complaint with HY UK as I was disappointed that if other colours can be colour coded why they can't do it with the blue.

I mentioned "I'd seen" 2 blue cars with blue coloured sensors but they seemed to think they were fitted as an after market as they can be bought in blue.

Now the Classic, entry model, doesn't have them factory fitted so I'm wondering whether the 2 AlanHo seen may have been the Classic model.

I wait to see if they get a response...

Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: Doggie 1 on May 30, 2012, 12:05:52
It wouldn't cost much to get them painted anyway, but I think that Hyundai should have done it.
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: Shambles on May 30, 2012, 12:06:54
Did you put the pedal to the metal in trying to overcome this limiter thing?


You have to "FLOOR" the accelerator pedal to exceed the set limit.

:whistler: :whistler: :whistler:
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: eye30 on May 30, 2012, 12:11:18
Did you put the pedal to the metal in trying to overcome this limiter thing?


You have to "FLOOR" the accelerator pedal to exceed the set limit.

:whistler: :whistler: :whistler:

It does not make it clear in the book that that is what you have to do   
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Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: Phil №❶ on May 30, 2012, 12:17:42
Did you put the pedal to the metal in trying to overcome this limiter thing?


You have to "FLOOR" the accelerator pedal to exceed the set limit.


:whistler: :whistler: :whistler:

It does not make it clear in the book that that is what you have to do   
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I'm glad I don't have this, who wants to floor the go pedal to override a device, not me. What does that do to the economy :question:
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: Shambles on May 30, 2012, 12:43:44
TBH I'd never set this thing on. Sounds downright dangerous.
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: eye30 on May 30, 2012, 12:46:19
The problem with it is that it clears each time the engine is switched off.  It isn't held inthe car's  memory.

So you have to set the limit each time you start the car. 
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: Shambles on May 30, 2012, 12:54:31
So, you're travelling through the town at 30mph with the limiter set to 30mph, then the road become 40mph limit. Do you reset the device or slam your pedal to the metal to increase speed?

Either way, sounds like hard work to me, and potentially dangerous.

I mean, what if you were busy texting :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: Phil №❶ on May 30, 2012, 13:01:04
Why can't the device accept a higher setting using normal throttle movements. Road limit goes from 60 to 80, normal acceleration to 80. CC maintains 80 uphill, SC maintains 80 downhill, simple  :exclaim: :Dunno:
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: eye30 on May 30, 2012, 13:08:03
So, you're travelling through the town at 30mph with the limiter set to 30mph, then the road become 40mph limit. Do you reset the device or slam your pedal to the metal to increase speed?


If you wish to exceed the set speed you can but until you turn it off you will get chimes ringing.

In flooring the pedal the speed limit system is still active and you will get chimes ringing until you either reduce your speed to below the set limit, turn it of or stop the car and turn the engine off.

Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: eye30 on May 30, 2012, 13:14:09
Why can't the device accept a higher setting using normal throttle movements. Road limit goes from 60 to 80, normal acceleration to 80. CC maintains 80 uphill, SC maintains 80 downhill, simple  :exclaim: :Dunno:

So say travelling at 30 mph and you wish to reset at say 40 mph you can either:

 - cancel the system and then speed up to 40 MPH and then press the set button
 - press the + button until 40 MPH is displayed
 - floor the pedal until 40 MPH then press the set button.
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: Phil №❶ on May 30, 2012, 13:15:26
I would simply forget the 3rd option  :neutral:
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: Shambles on May 30, 2012, 13:17:41
I wouldn't set it, period.
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: Dazzler on May 30, 2012, 13:20:09
Why can't the device accept a higher setting using normal throttle movements. Road limit goes from 60 to 80, normal acceleration to 80. CC maintains 80 uphill, SC maintains 80 downhill, simple  :exclaim: :Dunno:

That would defeat the purpose :whistler: If you could just override it by accelerating normally it would be no use at all  :winker:
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: Phil №❶ on May 30, 2012, 13:26:16
Why Dazz, when I travel with cc my foot is not on the accelerator, but if I need to, I can.
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: Dazzler on May 30, 2012, 13:29:46
Why Dazz, when I travel with cc my foot is not on the accelerator, but if I need to, I can.

But a limiter is just that...(unless you had both in place at the same time it would be recipe to get booked)  :cool:
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: eye30 on May 30, 2012, 15:31:37
The CC and limiter work independent of each other.

On my car you can't have both on at the same time.

It is either CC or limiter
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: Dazzler on May 30, 2012, 23:22:08
The CC and limiter work independent of each other.

On my car you can't have both on at the same time.

It is either CC or limiter

Oh in that case I reckon I would use CC more than limiter  :undecided:
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: neoto on May 31, 2012, 07:22:18
Don't you guys have speed-limited zones (there is a lot of 30 km/h (18 mph) zones here in Slovenia)?
There are numerous speed traps placed in these zones and I use the limiter regularly while driving through them (usually set to 33 kph). You can just set it and look at the road instead of the speedometer.
The CC in dangerous in this situation because you can't just maintain the 30km/h speed - limiter gives you freedom to drive normally up to 30 km/h.
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: Phil №❶ on May 31, 2012, 08:07:47
We have some yuppie suburbs set at 40, 50 in our cbd 60 elsewhere in the metro area & 110 in the country areas of South Australia.  :neutral:
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: Doggie 1 on May 31, 2012, 08:29:02
W.A. is 50 in built-up areas unless otherwise designated, 40 in school zones at school times, 110 open highway.
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: AlanHo on May 31, 2012, 09:09:21
Don't you guys have speed-limited zones (there is a lot of 30 km/h (18 mph) zones here in Slovenia)?
There are numerous speed traps placed in these zones and I use the limiter regularly while driving through them (usually set to 33 kph). You can just set it and look at the road instead of the speedometer.
The CC in dangerous in this situation because you can't just maintain the 30km/h speed - limiter gives you freedom to drive normally up to 30 km/h.

Neoto is right - the speed limiter is more useful in town than CC because you can drive the car in varying traffic quite normally at any speed below the limit you have set.  I now use it all the time in speed limited areas - especially up here in Scotland where there seems to be cameras everywhere.

Whereas CC keeps the car at a constant speed which is useless in slow-go or stop-start traffic.
Title: Re: Speed Limit control
Post by: eye30 on May 31, 2012, 11:26:55
Now I know how the speed limiter operates and if need be I can now exceed the set limit I'll be using it around town as we have a number of speed camera's - fixed and mobile.

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