Hill Assist

Stuwoolf · **November 29, 2015, 22:02:50**

Have hill start assist on my 64 Reg i30 petrol.

Its a pain in the orifice. Can it be switched off?

Grateful for any help on this.

eye30 · **Reply #1: November 29, 2015, 22:26:42**

I also have it and i hate it....

I asked at dealers not long after i bought my car and told can't disable/turn off

cruiserfied · **Reply #2: November 29, 2015, 23:09:35**

No it cant be turned off.

What dont you like about it. I always thought it was a very good system.

eye30 · **Reply #3: November 29, 2015, 23:50:22**

For me one example is i stop at traffic lights on a slight incline up.

If the lights are on red as i am approaching and have just come to a stand still, if they turn to green and i want to move away i can't as the hill assist has engaged.

Another is sometimes it will engage when least expecting especially when 99 time out of 100 previous at the same incline it hasn't!

Dazzler · **Reply #4: November 30, 2015, 03:19:09**

I stalled Trish's car twice over the weekend both time when stopped at lights on hills.

(so I know where you are coming from)

CraigB · **Reply #5: November 30, 2015, 05:31:15**

I quite like the hill assist and haven't had any problems with it, once stopped on a hill and brakes applied "once" without removing pressure...then as clutch is releasing and forward motion detected hill start will release and away you go

cruiserfied · **Reply #6: November 30, 2015, 06:00:46**

The hill start assist should release as soon as throttle input is detected.

CraigB · **Reply #7: November 30, 2015, 06:17:39**

Quote from: cruiserfied on November 30, 2015, 06:00:46

The hill start assist should release as soon as throttle input is detected.

I should have re-worded that, as clutch is releasing and "throttle applied"

Shambles · **Reply #8: November 30, 2015, 07:28:34**

All I can say is the HAC must have some kind of finicky sensor, either that or mine is faulty.

The only time mine EVER applies is when I'm parking up at home (slight incline on driveway). At no other time has it ever worked, even on the slopes of Horseshoe Pass in Wales (I deliberately tried to engage it).

Phil №❶ · **Reply #9: November 30, 2015, 08:04:08**

There must be an inclinometer somewhere, disable that and the hill assist should be disabled, too.

cruiserfied · **Reply #10: November 30, 2015, 09:17:45**

Quote from: CraigB on November 30, 2015, 06:17:39

Quote from: cruiserfied on November 30, 2015, 06:00:46
The hill start assist should release as soon as throttle input is detected.
I should have re-worded that, as clutch is releasing and "throttle applied"

Wasnt aimed at you sorry.

Quote from: Phil №❶ on November 30, 2015, 08:04:08

There must be an inclinometer somewhere, disable that and the hill assist should be disabled, too.

Takes its 8* reading from the ABS/ESP module. Some part of the yaw-rate/G-sensor.

sundiz · **Reply #11: November 30, 2015, 14:40:15**

Does the hill assist have own fuse somewhere? If it does, then you might just take the fuse out...

Dazzler · **Reply #12: November 30, 2015, 21:13:29**

Quote from: sundiz on November 30, 2015, 14:40:15

Does the hill assist have own fuse somewhere? If it does, then you might just take the fuse out...

Good idea, but I would be very surprised if fuse for that alone!

Stuwoolf · **Reply #13: December 01, 2015, 22:31:19**

Oh well. I guess I must suffer this nonsense.

Have to say hill start assist is just another attempt to compensate for shit drivers.

Hey ho...............

cruiserfied · **Reply #14: December 01, 2015, 23:09:01**

Quote from: Stuwoolf on December 01, 2015, 22:31:19

Oh well. I guess I must suffer this nonsense.

Have to say hill start assist is just another attempt to compensate for shit drivers.

Hey ho...............

While i agree it is to compensate for poor drivers it is far from nonsense.

It would help unconfident drivers and cause less stress. This would then improve that drivers ability. Yes its a crutch to lean on but i dont see it being a bad thing.

You'll get used to it and learn to drive with it as normal.

bumpkin · **Reply #15: December 02, 2015, 09:13:29**

Never had any issue with it on the Kia, have never stalled due to it and find it works consistently and is probably even more helpful with the autobox as it stops the car creeping forward as well as back.

Having said that the ix20 and i40 versions were never quite as "good" as the i30FD (same issue with consistency as you guys are reporting), which was infinitely better than on the Scooby Impreza (the one I had applied the brake to one front wheel only and it just felt weird on a steep incline as one side of the car would slip a little and you got that metallic twang as the other side locked, which was then replicated when you applied the throttle and it released (this was in 2004 so was probably in it's infancy)), so perhaps the question is what has Hyundai done to the logic behind it that Kia haven't which is causing owners grief?

I had to actually think about this as I was reading the thread as the Cee'd just gets on with it without me really noticing (hope that makes sense!).

Dazzler · **Reply #16: December 02, 2015, 09:32:42**

Quote from: bumpkin on December 02, 2015, 09:13:29

Never had any issue with it on the Kia, have never stalled due to it and find it works consistently and is probably even more helpful with the autobox as it stops the car creeping forward as well as back.

Having said that the ix20 and i40 versions were never quite as "good" as the i30FD (same issue with consistency as you guys are reporting), which was infinitely better than on the Scooby Impreza (the one I had applied the brake to one front wheel only and it just felt weird on a steep incline as one side of the car would slip a little and you got that metallic twang as the other side locked, which was then replicated when you applied the throttle and it released (this was in 2004 so was probably in it's infancy)), so perhaps the question is what has Hyundai done to the logic behind it that Kia haven't which is causing owners grief?

I had to actually think about this as I was reading the thread as the Cee'd just gets on with it without me really noticing (hope that makes sense!).

How is your car for brake dust Brian? I have a theory that the Euro built tourer has soft pads and this combined with the hill start assist makes for more dust and quicker wearing pads (than the old FD)

bumpkin · **Reply #17: December 02, 2015, 14:40:09**

The Cee'd is much less dusty than the ix20 or i40, the i40 in particular was horrific.

Dazzler · **Reply #18: December 02, 2015, 15:56:00**

Quote from: bumpkin on December 02, 2015, 14:40:09

The Cee'd is much less dusty than the ix20 or i40, the i40 in particular was horrific.

Thanks Brian.. I wonder if Kia pads fit the i30???

CraigB · **Reply #19: December 02, 2015, 16:18:38**

Personally I'd stick with the softer pads, discs will last longer as the steel quality used these days isn't what it used to be.

EBC Greenstuff 2000 pads are very minimal dust but I'm not sure whether they cover the i30 yet

Dazzler · **Reply #20: December 02, 2015, 20:52:33**

Quote from: CraigB on December 02, 2015, 16:18:38

Personally I'd stick with the softer pads, discs will last longer as the steel quality used these days isn't what it used to be.

EBC Greenstuff 2000 pads are very minimal dust but I'm not sure whether they cover the i30 yet

With the mileage we are doing in Trish's Tourer the pads should last a few years anyway. The dust is a pain though..

CraigB · **Reply #21: December 03, 2015, 09:53:38**

Yeah they are very dusty pads, I don't notice it as much with the black rims now but it still builds up.
What I've started doing is when I do the tyres with the Black Magic tyre foam I'll wait till it dissolves then wipe the excess on the wheels ( similar to silicon spray ), then a hose off once a week takes the dust straight off.

Dazzler · **Reply #22: December 03, 2015, 10:57:18**

Thanks for the tip (as the fat lady said to the... oh never mind!)

GDTourer · **Reply #23: December 14, 2015, 07:34:21**

I hate this feature, worst part of an otherwise excellent car. The problem is that it activates for a pre-set amount of time, regardless of whether you're trying to take off or not.

The only times I've stalled my car (2013 Diesel Manual Tourer) have been when this stupid system won't disengage.

My dealer told me it could be turned off, but I never followed it up as I just got used to it.