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Title: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: Olympicon on December 08, 2018, 12:46:39
Hi All,

Started to experience an intermittent starting problem. Once in every 4 or 5 starts the engine just endless turns over without starting. It turns over normal speed and sounds fine in this respect. Sometimes the car starts to shudder or vibrate as if the engine is so very close to starting but doesn’t make it. Other times it will start in a second no issues.

It runs fine once started.
Plenty of fuel.
New battery and alternator less than a year ago.
No warning lights.
Temperature makes no difference (it’s above freezing here at the moment anyway) this morning I got to work, went out 20 minutes later so the car was still warm and it just turned over. I turned the ignition off/on a few times and after a few attempts and it kicked into life.

I’m at a bit of a loss! Any ideas?
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: aanastasiou4 on December 08, 2018, 13:37:39
Mine does that too from time to time but its a 1.6 crdi auto. I changed the battery but the problem isn't fixed...


Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: Olympicon on December 08, 2018, 14:11:30
Very annoying isn’t it! The other day I was sat trying to start it so long that someone came round in the car and offered jump leads  :undecided:
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: eye30 on December 08, 2018, 16:11:47
Could it be fuel related such as starvation or faulty pump



Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: Shambles on December 08, 2018, 17:41:03
I'm guessing the answer to this is no (given it's a 2008 vehicle) but do you have a spare key equipped with transponder chip, that you could try?
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: nzenigma on December 08, 2018, 20:11:48
I'm guessing the answer to this is no (given it's a 2008 vehicle) but do you have a spare key equipped with transponder chip, that you could try?

The answer is may be, sort of. The key chip remains inert until excited by the 'aerial coil' around the ignition lock.

That coil can go open CCT intermittently. Usually, display light with key symbol will flash and then go out. Means that the immobiliser  is still active and engine will not start.

The coil replacement is DIY do able.

Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: nzenigma on December 08, 2018, 20:17:25
I assume @Olympicon  that you have had advice on glow plug function and replacement.

Given that you say car runs fine doubt that it is fuel related although give the primer above the filter a pump just to check that the line from tank and tank strainer are ok
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: Olympicon on December 08, 2018, 20:54:26
Hadn’t thought of the immobiliser although again no lights out of the ordinary on the dash?

I did think glow plugs but the temperature of the engine seems to make no difference, it was 10 degrees earlier car started fine drive to work came out 20 minutes later wouldn’t start for a while.
Also no glow plug related warning lights.
I’m not an expert on Diesel engines, on these do the glow plugs only kick in when cold or are they required for every start?

Fuel wise, by now I’d have experienced running issues surely considering how often it’s struggling to start now
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: nzenigma on December 08, 2018, 23:47:02

Also no glow plug related warning lights.

There isnt one. Just the cct check light when first turn on ignition. Plugs come on at start and periodically during a drive for environment reasons.
If the engine is warm it can start  without glow plugs.

Re immobilisor light what do you observe. Does car symbol stay on without key symbol? = correct status.

Have you checked for codes?

Check for loose connections (electrical  and vacuum )under bonnet--take cover off motor to do this.
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: aanastasiou4 on December 09, 2018, 10:14:48
Very annoying isn’t it! The other day I was sat trying to start it so long that someone came round in the car and offered jump leads  :undecided:
It is indeed very annoying especially when you are in a public area and people stare at you trying to start your car... Mine is just 4 years old.


Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: Shambles on December 09, 2018, 10:28:38
Quote from: aanastasiou4
Mine is just 4 years old.

You mean 6 years old?  :evil: :whistler:
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: Dazzler on December 09, 2018, 11:10:45
Quote from: aanastasiou4
Mine is just 4 years old.

You mean 6 years old?  :evil: :whistler:

Be fair! It was only 4 years old 2 years ago...
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: nzenigma on December 09, 2018, 20:20:59
Quote from: aanastasiou4
Mine is just 4 years old.

You mean 6 years old?  :evil: :whistler:

Be fair! It was only 4 years old 2 years ago...

Greek Calendar?  Probably = 4 years  :goodjob2:
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: Olympicon on December 10, 2018, 14:01:35

Also no glow plug related warning lights.

There isnt one. Just the cct check light when first turn on ignition. Plugs come on at start and periodically during a drive for environment reasons.
If the engine is warm it can start  without glow plugs.

Re immobilisor light what do you observe. Does car symbol stay on without key symbol? = correct status.

Have you checked for codes?

Check for loose connections (electrical  and vacuum )under bonnet--take cover off motor to do this.

There’s a glow plug light that comes on briefly when I turn the ignition on, it’s at the bottom of the Rev counter.

When I turn the ignition the car symbol with the black key in the middle comes on and stays on until I start the car then it goes off.

Annoyingly (?) it’s not done it for a few days now, starts pretty much immediately or on the second turn.

Would poor glow plugs cause economy issues? The MPG is 36-37 round town but lots of shorter trips and it’s been remapped but it’s still the least I’ve seen since the remap couple years ago.

Plugging in show faults even though ECU light not come on?

Cheers for the replies guys :)
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: aanastasiou4 on December 10, 2018, 14:16:48
Quote from: aanastasiou4
Mine is just 4 years old.

You mean 6 years old?  :evil: :whistler:
Hahaha sorry yes, I got confused with my other car...


Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: nzenigma on December 10, 2018, 20:43:54

There’s a glow plug light that comes on briefly when I turn the ignition on, it’s at the bottom of the Rev counter.

When I turn the ignition the car symbol with the black key in the middle comes on and stays on until I start the car then it goes off.


Good, Thats what you should see.  :goodjob2:

I cant comment on glow plugs because I dont know their condition, age etc. Need to be measured with meter.
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: Olympicon on December 17, 2018, 12:39:59
Now gone back to starting fine, this morning was barely above freezing and it started straight away (I always turn the ignition on and wait for a few seconds for things to prime)

I’m sure my fuel economy as gone down the pan though, what’s the usual culprit for that? Aside from a heavy right foot  :whistler:
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: Olympicon on December 19, 2018, 22:19:49
So after a week of being ok it failed again earlier and wouldn’t start for ages (boo) however this time the ECU light came on (yay) so it turns out it’s a faulty crank sensor. The RAC chap took the bolt out but couldn’t get it out and didn’t want to force it so I’ll WD40 it and order a new sensor!
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: nzenigma on December 20, 2018, 06:38:06
So after a week of being ok it failed again earlier and wouldn’t start for ages (boo) however this time the ECU light came on (yay) so it turns out it’s a faulty crank sensor. The RAC chap took the bolt out but couldn’t get it out and didn’t want to force it so I’ll WD40 it and order a new sensor!

Good you seem fairly positive, therefore I assume RAC chap read a fault code. Easy DIY. Good luck.  :goodjob2:
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: Olympicon on December 21, 2018, 22:23:37
He did indeed read the fault code.
However this evening I tried getting the old one out. After about an hour or two of trying every which way to get to it I gave up. Managed to get the 10mm bolt out after scratching my arms to pieces but it still wouldn’t budge even a little so I think it may be a garage job.
Tried getting to it from underneath but it’s difficult when you haven’t got a lot of clearance
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: nzenigma on December 22, 2018, 00:22:11
Tried getting to it from underneath but it’s difficult when you haven’t got a lot of clearance

I often jack the car up first.

 :razz:
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: Olympicon on December 22, 2018, 13:32:46
Haha knew I was doing something wrong!!
I can imagine up on a ramp it would be a bit easier, but it seems jammed in there fairly solid and it’s hard to get any pressure on it from the top. Take it there’s just the one 10mm bolt and it should pull out?
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: tw2005 on December 22, 2018, 19:10:39
Haha knew I was doing something wrong!!
I can imagine up on a ramp it would be a bit easier, but it seems jammed in there fairly solid and it’s hard to get any pressure on it from the top. Take it there’s just the one 10mm bolt and it should pull out?

(https://www.bm-carparts.pl/foto/1247_0_0,ceed-sportage-carens-i30-tuscon-czujnik-walu-korbowego-3918027400.jpg)

Will it rotate with the 10mm bolt removed?
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: nzenigma on December 22, 2018, 20:27:32
The WD40 should penetrate enough to free it.
With bolt removed, get a screw driver or something long enough to reach that tab and tap it sideways with a hammer. Once it turns a bit it should be free enough to lever out.
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: tw2005 on December 22, 2018, 21:52:09
The WD40 should penetrate enough to free it.
With bolt removed, get a screw driver or something long enough to reach that tab and tap it sideways with a hammer. Once it turns a bit it should be free enough to lever out.
  :whistler:

Which one shall we use?  :razz:

(https://www.ukfixings.net/images/C/Hammers-cat.jpg)
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: Shambles on December 22, 2018, 21:55:34
All the above, but start small.
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: Olympicon on December 23, 2018, 14:23:18
Problem I’m having is I can’t even get to it to hit it or even see it...
There’s a large pipe that goes from the air box to the turbo that looks like if I take it off I might be able to get to it?
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: tw2005 on December 23, 2018, 18:33:14
Problem I’m having is I can’t even get to it to hit it or even see it...
There’s a large pipe that goes from the air box to the turbo that looks like if I take it off I might be able to get to it?
geez, Merrry Xmas .

Just thinking if it's setup similar to the D4FB, would removing the mounting bolts and disconnecting the front intercooler hose allow it to mve just enough out of the way?

(https://hyundai.7zap.com/ImgsWatermark/Imgs/Cats/HEURPJDH/28282D11.png)
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: nzenigma on December 23, 2018, 20:43:45
Problem I’m having is I can’t even get to it to hit it or even see it...
There’s a large pipe that goes from the air box to the turbo that looks like if I take it off I might be able to get to it?

Like tw, I imagine it is the pipe (2825C1) that is going to the intercooler. Easy to remove and replace it. A bolt or two and hose clips. Clips usually have a cap over the adjustment. Flick it off with screw driver and undo the hose clips as usual.
TIP. Clean oil off pipes and hose before fitting clips/ hose/pipe FIRM and TIGHT. This area has pressure when car is running.
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: tweety on December 26, 2018, 06:33:47
Fixed mine. Fuel filter renew. Hot weather and slight  lockage with a used filter will cause starting problems.



Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: Dazzler on December 26, 2018, 10:13:34
@tweety

Wow! Long time between drinks! How have you been! You need to update us in members trips or something about your road trips!  :winker: :happydance:
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: Olympicon on January 04, 2019, 18:39:25
Well disaster. Took it to a garage as I couldn’t get the sensor out, even they struggled with it up on the ramps.
Put the new sensor in (Valeo) and it wouldn’t start. In fact it was worse than before it wouldn’t start AT ALL. Stuck on their ramp. Put the old one back on still wouldn’t start. Put the new one back in, still no joy. After about 30-45 mins of trying to start it suddenly started? They turned it off/on about 5 times and it started each time.
They plugged their reader in whilst trying to start it and first it said no crank signal at all then it said faulty signal (can’t remember what the word was it wasn’t ‘faulty’).
Only thing they can suggest is taking it to Hyundai so they can plug into the diagnostic port under the bonnet and get some more in depth info as to what the problem is :(
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: tw2005 on January 04, 2019, 20:02:48
Did they do any harness work or fault finding electrically?

Corroded plug or wires? 

If the new item is replicated the original fault and when the old one was fitted also the same could it not be that there s a bad connection?


I'd have close look at the plug/socket where the sensor plugs, and a good look deep in there in case moisture or salt ingress has started the green plague . 

Photos too if you can  :Cuppa:
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: nzenigma on January 04, 2019, 21:31:16
 :wss:

Lock step with Gerard.

A case of the Bert Russells  up there? 

 to set the scene-:

Up the ramp at 'Little Britain':

You cant get sensor out, mechanics have same trouble.
 Maybe salt on your roads is causing corrosion. Its also called rust and/or verdigris.
"Gee never noticed that"

Could salt water also have an affect on electrical connectors, especially those under the bonnet, and exposed to road spray?
" Gee never thought of that"

  anyway, " Computer says no!"  _hit alt delete _"Go to Hyundai". :wacko:

Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: Olympicon on January 14, 2019, 14:18:43
Well after having the car taken to my warranty garage, then Hyundai and 4 hours of labour, turns out the brand new Valeo sensor was faulty so they’ve fitted a new Hyundai one. As it’s a faulty part I’m not covered by my warranty (should have claimed from the start rather than trying to save time and doing myself) but at least it’s allgedly sorted! Picking it up tomorrow
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: eye30 on January 14, 2019, 16:24:09
Take faulty part back and ask for refund!
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: Olympicon on January 14, 2019, 18:24:55
I am indeed, also claiming for the 4 hours of labour @ dealer rate to diagnose the non-existent fault
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: nzenigma on January 14, 2019, 19:01:16
Well after having the car taken to my warranty garage, then Hyundai and 4 hours of labour, turns out the brand new Valeo sensor was faulty so they’ve fitted a new Hyundai one. As it’s a faulty part I’m not covered by my warranty (should have claimed from the start rather than trying to save time and doing myself) but at least it’s allgedly sorted! Picking it up tomorrow
Take faulty part back and ask for refund!

I am indeed, also claiming for the 4 hours of labour @ dealer rate to diagnose the non-existent fault

  :seriously: This saga has so many holes and fingers in it. I would say you have buckleys chance.  :spitty:

Prove the sensor is faulty, prove that Hyundai spent 4 hrs on the job...and why so long? Change the sensor is a 15 minute job.
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: tw2005 on January 14, 2019, 20:38:26
Did Hyundai state in their report the Valeo sensor was a dud? Did they find anything else? Wiring?
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: Olympicon on January 14, 2019, 21:00:46
Well after having the car taken to my warranty garage, then Hyundai and 4 hours of labour, turns out the brand new Valeo sensor was faulty so they’ve fitted a new Hyundai one. As it’s a faulty part I’m not covered by my warranty (should have claimed from the start rather than trying to save time and doing myself) but at least it’s allgedly sorted! Picking it up tomorrow
Take faulty part back and ask for refund!

I am indeed, also claiming for the 4 hours of labour @ dealer rate to diagnose the non-existent fault

  :seriously: This saga has so many holes and fingers in it. I would say you have buckleys chance.  :spitty:

Prove the sensor is faulty, prove that Hyundai spent 4 hrs on the job...and why so long? Change the sensor is a 15 minute job.

Maybe I’ve explained it badly...
I bought a genuine Valeo sensor brand new, had it fitted but the fault persisted. Being a good brand neither the first garage nor Hyundai suspected for a second it was a dud sensor, it also gave engine speed data on the live feed when plugged into the diagnostic socket so it seemed fine. Only when they had tried literally everything else, did they try a sensor as a last ditch attempt and as they had one in stock, hey presto it then worked fine.
Hyundai have written a report to say the sensor was at fault, the company I bought the sensor from have sent me a form and will send the sensor to Valeo for testing - if it is faulty it sounds like I’ll get the labour back as well. Problem will be if Valeo say it’s fine, then I’m a bit stuck!

Thankfully in the UK consumer law is pretty good, so if they confirm it’s faulty and refuse to pay the labour I can sue them for it easily enough (the running total is £3-400 now so I’m fully prepared to do that if the sensor was truly a dud).

I’m still dubious it was the sensor, and Hyundai were happy to open one and try it on the off chance, who says I’d have even paid for it? Has anyone had a dud new Valeo sensor before? I get the impression it’s pretty rare...

Watch this space!
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: Olympicon on January 14, 2019, 21:01:55
Yes so they tell me, picking the report and the car up tomorrow.
I’m told they tried many many things including the wiring (they originally thought it might be that but found nothing wrong with it)
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: nzenigma on January 14, 2019, 21:57:56
Maybe I’ve explained it badly...
I bought a genuine Valeo sensor brand new, had it fitted but the fault persisted. Being a good brand neither the first garage nor Hyundai suspected for a second it was a dud sensor, it also gave engine speed data on the live feed when plugged into the diagnostic socket so it seemed fine.


Mate, your explanation was fine.

As electronics techs, both tw2005 and I are thinking what the...... :crazy1:
While its difficult to diagnose from the other side of the world, to have a simple, new, good brand, component fail like this is 1000:1.
Even more curious is that it "gave engine speed data".  :wacko:
If the hyundai Tech saw the data, which is a simple pulse (square wave) he should have noticed if it was being corrupted. Apparently he did not.
@tw2005  you may have a different slant  :cool:
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: Olympicon on January 16, 2019, 20:29:32
Conincidence or... just had a drive, about 4 times on full throttle got to about 3k rpm and it just wouldn’t rev any higher as if I’d hit a limiter even though my foots still to the floor. Didn’t happen every time but I’ve never had that before until now.
Grrr  :crazy1:
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: nzenigma on January 16, 2019, 21:31:07
Conincidence or... just had a drive, about 4 times on full throttle got to about 3k rpm and it just wouldn’t rev any higher a..

  :crazy2: Coincidence is worse than 1000:1 chance.

Originally: "Once in every 4 or 5 starts the engine just endless turns over without starting. ... runs fine once started."

A number of valid suggestions made here.

RAC guy found crank sensor fault code.   :undecided:

You take it to garage.

up on the ramps.

Put the new sensor in (Valeo) and it wouldn’t start.

 Put the old one back on still wouldn’t start.

 Put the new one back in, still no joy.

After about 30-45 mins of trying to start it suddenly started?

 5 times and it started each time.

You took it to Hyundai (apparently with Valeo still installed)


 Valeo sensor brand new, had it fitted but the fault persisted.
it also gave engine speed data 

they had [another] one in stock, hey presto it then worked fine.


Now a problem occurs that is similar to other reported crank sensor faults


got to about 3k rpm and it just wouldn’t rev any higher


Highly likely it is the same fault  reoccurring and its not THE crank sensor
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: Olympicon on January 17, 2019, 11:15:03
Exactly. Any money Valeo will text the sensor and tell me it’s fine.
Error codes read ‘Fuel pressure high’ and also ‘Fuel pressure low’
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: nzenigma on January 17, 2019, 21:15:33
Exactly. Any money Valeo will test the sensor and tell me it’s fine.
Error codes read ‘Fuel pressure high’ and also ‘Fuel pressure low’

A fuel pressure issue also fits original symptoms. Fuel line pressure is regulated by a valve on the pump courtesy of data to and from the ECU and a sensor on end of fuel rail.

As a matter of interest, especially re that sensor, has anyone checked your fuel quality? Any diesel bug, present or past deposits clogging filters ( in tank and in-line)?
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: Olympicon on February 27, 2019, 14:43:57
Well since the above, Valeo haven’t said the sensor was faulty apparently but offered a refund and a credit for the labour.
Following the first Hyundai garage telling me it was fixed and it breaking again I took it back. Prior to that I’d had a few words with the service manager (see the thread about the allegedly broken gearbox - turned out just to be the cable). I took it back as they hadn’t fixed the fault I’d paid them to fix and was told was done so, they refused to do any further work on the car and the service manager threw his toys out the pram, extremely unprofessional (put the phone down on me mid sentence).

Took it to another Hyundai garage, they replaced the high pressure fuel pump and then the fuel filter housing. It was fixed for just under 24 hours before all the symptoms reappeared - non start and revs dropping not running - currently waiting for it to be towed back to the garage  :crazy2:
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: Dazzler on February 27, 2019, 20:22:18
 :crazy1: :disapp: :undecided:

Thanks for the update. Sorry to hear of all your troubles.
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: nzenigma on February 27, 2019, 21:28:08
:crazy1: :disapp: :undecided:

Thanks for the update. Sorry to hear of all your troubles.

From me too.
The HP pump job is not cheap. As you have just found out, its probably one of the most reliable components.
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: mickd on February 28, 2019, 10:17:11
Well since the above, Valeo haven’t said the sensor was faulty apparently but offered a refund and a credit for the labour.
Following the first Hyundai garage telling me it was fixed and it breaking again I took it back. Prior to that I’d had a few words with the service manager (see the thread about the allegedly broken gearbox - turned out just to be the cable). I took it back as they hadn’t fixed the fault I’d paid them to fix and was told was done so, they refused to do any further work on the car and the service manager threw his toys out the pram, extremely unprofessional (put the phone down on me mid sentence).

Took it to another Hyundai garage, they replaced the high pressure fuel pump and then the fuel filter housing. It was fixed for just under 24 hours before all the symptoms reappeared - non start and revs dropping not running - currently waiting for it to be towed back to the garage  :crazy2:

 :crazy1: :faint:
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: Olympicon on March 01, 2019, 12:14:23
The warranty company covered half the pump and all the labour so that ‘only’ cost me about £150-200 (total was about £700) then the filter housing was a further £200 as not covered under the warranty.
Frustrating as they tell me it’s definitely xyz charge me then we’re back to square one. I spoke to the head mechanic in person he seems a sensible bloke but it’s starting to add up £££
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: Olympicon on March 01, 2019, 12:15:08
:crazy1: :disapp: :undecided:

Thanks for the update. Sorry to hear of all your troubles.

From me too.
The HP pump job is not cheap. As you have just found out, its probably one of the most reliable components.

Also thanks guys! Sadly I’m starting to think I’m better off getting rid after it’s final back on the road :(
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: nzenigma on March 01, 2019, 22:12:54
:crazy1: :disapp: :undecided:

Thanks for the update. Sorry to hear of all your troubles.

From me too.
The HP pump job is not cheap. As you have just found out, its probably one of the most reliable components.

Also thanks guys! Sadly I’m starting to think I’m better off getting rid after it’s final back on the road :(

Mate my crystal ball  :phone1: shares your grief, however she assures me that eventually your car will be the most reliable , if not  the newest, i30 in Little Britain.    :crazy2: :undecided:

I find this frustrating, because this is the sort of hands on job and need for critical thinking that I relish.
 If you read your posts, you will see that as each monkey has played with your car, the original symptoms have radically changed.
Good luck with the chief Chimp.  :Pout:
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: Dazzler on March 02, 2019, 00:06:28
What makes it even harder is that yours is a relatively rare 2.0 diesel which is a different older design than the 1.6 CRDi in most of the i30 fleet our members run. It is around 10 years since an i30 was sold with that motor!  :undecided:
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: Olympicon on April 08, 2019, 14:28:58
Well it was eventually fixed, turned out there was a small pipe within the low pressure pump in the tank that had a crack in. This was allowing air into the system.
Hyundai quoted a 5-6 week lead time on the pump (Hyundai only part not even Kia had the same part) but following some magic from the garage they bought a pump for a golf and used the pipe from that to sort mine.
Then the alternator went so that was changed last week (only 12 months old)
Then the clutch started slipping.

So sadly I had to sell it, aside from the slight clutch slippage and 3 years of whine from the box she was in fantastic condition and had lots of new parts fitted. Picked up by the new owner yesterday who was very happy with it and obviously aware of the issues.

So instead I went a bought a 330d M Sport which I’m extremely happy with and comes with a dubious drug-dealer esc ivory leather interior  :D

Thank you to all the members on here for their help over the years and I wish you many miles of happy motoring.

(https://i.ibb.co/QKnBppW/912-CA591-BFCA-4294-A0-AB-6-CA42-ACA3-F1-A.jpg) (https://ibb.co/rwMPFFB)


Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: eye30 on April 08, 2019, 17:05:51
Sorry to hear you have decided to sell.

Many members who no longer have an i30 have continued on the site to pass on their wisdom/knowledge.

Also, they post details of their new motor in members other motors section.



Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: nzenigma on April 08, 2019, 22:22:51
 :wss:

I may need @tw2005  to check this, but the i30 diesel does NOT have a primary pump in the tank.  ( perhaps the Euro 2.0L is different Gerard ??)

I await to learn something new or to find that your workshop was operating as per usual.

Good luck with the new drive, now a fellow Bimmer owner.  :goodjob2:
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: Dazzler on April 08, 2019, 22:43:30
:wss:

I may need @tw2005  to check this, but the i30 diesel does NOT have a primary pump in the tank.  ( perhaps the Euro 2.0L is different Gerard ??)

I await to learn something new or to find that your workshop was operating as per usual.

Good luck with the new drive, now a fellow Bimmer owner.  :goodjob2:

Morning Gary, the 2.0 ltr CRDi motor is a much older design with a belt driven cam instead of a chain driven one. They stopped using it in the i30 around 10 years ago. It may quite well have had other differences in the fuel system etc.. I imagine.  :undecided:
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: nzenigma on April 08, 2019, 23:16:13
Hi Dazz,
Brain started to work.  :rolleyes:
Last week Gerard sent me a parts catalog , I found the Czech models, and yes the  2.0l does have a tank pump, ( seems I have learnt something  :mrgreen:); but, then I looked at the 1.6 U2 motor which we have.... it has the same pump.   :faint: :head_knock:
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: tw2005 on April 09, 2019, 07:24:46
1.6 U   311101H800
1.6 U2 311101H800

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/aY0AAOSwXAxcOLSL/s-l300.jpg)

2.0 CRDi SOHC TCI,  311102L900

(https://akvilon-zap.ru/upload/resize_cache/iblock/780/1280_848_0/780b30c231beb27256168ddb2b4122a5.jpg)

They appear similar
Title: Re: 2.0 CRDI trouble starting - new battery/alternator no warning lights?
Post by: nzenigma on April 09, 2019, 08:45:15
They appear similar  :Shocked: :rolleyes: so, like why?

What great wisdom are the Europeans withholding ?


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