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Title: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection
Post by: tw2005 on March 08, 2019, 03:15:44
I thought as the i30 fleet out there starts to age, and we get more enquiries about low clutch pickup, or gear selection issues I've created a sticky thread.

Here's some research I've done noting these valves have no markings whatsoever but their job to to soften the clutch rengagement and protect the driveline from excessive shock.

Hyundai FD


(https://i.ibb.co/K508PD1/LHD-FD-4141611.png)  (https://ibb.co/S6sZjcL) (https://i.ibb.co/2MZPbfm/RHD-FD.png) (https://ibb.co/xgFG4RP)

GD
(https://i.ibb.co/L5G2nTk/GD-LHD.png) (https://ibb.co/yS3bWzf) (https://i.ibb.co/XtWhm6j/GD-RHD.png) (https://ibb.co/kXGRYz5)


At some point I'll add some links to other members who have put in some excellent work on this topic with solutions as well.

I know there are many vehicles likely to have a "clutch damper" of sorts fitted. I know my old favourite E54A V6 Galant had a damper cylinder attached to the gearbox inline.

Someone makes these valves, so what's out there?

I did a search and I threw in M16 clutch damper, got some hits!  :goodjob2:

Subarus and would appear the Turbos had these introduced for the prupose of drive train preservation I guess from the clutch dumping folk . :whistler:

Here's a Subie example.


(https://i.ibb.co/dBCjHR1/CDV-002.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jh0bjSB)

(https://i.ibb.co/XzYcJdJ/CDV-003.jpg) (https://ibb.co/64Xjsps)

(https://i.ibb.co/5BvJrXf/CDV-005.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yW5x6mb)

You can guess what these people have been doing, Bypass, and the solution, a M16 x 1.5 plug. Sound familar?

The valve looks identical to me.

At this point it would appear the part is not in the breakdown for availability . Still searching though.

EDIT:
SUBARU

37261FC000

More digging to be done. Subie use NABCO master cylinders, a Japnese supplier,  head in that direction.

Next stop, a NABCO fitted to Mitsubishi, I have the OEM cats for them, find a model with what again appears identical.

here's one, Found in Challengers, / Pajero sports both V6 and TDi. Sounds promising  :goodjob2:


(https://i.ibb.co/wSLqshY/thumb.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)

Good news, Mitsubishi decided to break down to this part.

MR319469

And Mitsubishi Australia have it in their system. No, there's none in Country

So, I've ordered one for the sake of research and humanity.

$20

(https://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-000170756348-8ncbz1-t500x500.jpg)

It will have the same thread I believe as the washer spec Mitsubishi has listed 16.3mm , makes sense for a M16 thread.

I'm praying they're available still  :wait:

I'm expecting to find these may be extinct

Links:

 :link: Hyundai i30 2007 clutch problems. Fault finding and repair. - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxxRe_OTvZw)

 :link: Clutch delay valve - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clutch_delay_valve)


 :link: Low clutch bite point resolution (https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=41905.0)


 :link: Clutch engaging too low. (https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=48826.0)

 :link: FD clutch master cylinder (https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=50307.msg474702#msg474702)

 :link: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues (https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=53713.0)




Title: Re: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection
Post by: tw2005 on March 08, 2019, 03:18:03
3 bucks ?

 :link: MR319469 - Genuine Mopar STOP/BUMPER-CLUTCH CONTROL FLUID (https://www.moparpartsgiant.com/parts/mopar-stop-bmpr-clutch-control-fluid~mr319469.html)

Chrysler Sebring

Mopar Part No.: MR319469
STOP/BUMPER-CLUTCH CONTROL FLUID

Mopar MR319469 STOP/BUMPER-CLUTCH CONTROL FLUID
Part Description   DAMPER Clutch Control Fluid
Title: Re: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection
Post by: Paolo5 on March 08, 2019, 03:27:19
Thanks again, :lol: Sherlock!
Title: Re: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection
Post by: tw2005 on March 08, 2019, 03:36:52
Thanks again, :lol: Sherlock!
If / when I get my claws on one, I will report. Being clever enough to find one is one thing, actually getting one, well, we'll see. I've been down this road before many a time to find obsolescence,  rules.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection
Post by: tw2005 on March 09, 2019, 08:58:53
SUBARU

37261FC000

(http://jp-carparts.com/images/subaru/B13/image_375_1.gif)


(https://i.ibb.co/4MGB5nK/Subaru.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k0fYWs5)
Title: Re: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection
Post by: tw2005 on March 09, 2019, 09:16:06
Toyota

31490-60030      
31490-60040      
31490-60020      Early rebuildable type
31490-60041      
31490-60031
      
31490-12010   

NOTE: I'm unable to verify each and every Toyota part number. There is a possibility that some of these may be fit for purpose and of different designs.  Toyota-3149012010 is confirmed See images below.
(https://i.ibb.co/6vQhbbS/311472.png) (https://ibb.co/TKyXRRG)

(https://img.7zap.com/oem/toyota/Img/EU/A1/MCS556.png)

Fitted to landcruisers 1990 - 2007

Pricewise, Mitsubishi is cheapest


(https://i.ibb.co/9TTDRxd/Toyota.jpg) (https://ibb.co/855CFyQ)

(https://i.ibb.co/By1KKdf/Toyota-3149012010.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)




Title: Re: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection
Post by: tw2005 on March 09, 2019, 10:03:11
Nissan X-Trail and others

No part number

The overwhelming common thread though is NABCO
Title: Re: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection
Post by: tw2005 on March 22, 2019, 03:14:24
Mr Bishi

(https://i.ibb.co/Q82Gn2C/20190322-125850.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bHSnLS2)

(https://i.ibb.co/DgCHc7h/20190322-125909.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dJ2wCQF)
Title: Re: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection
Post by: Paolo5 on March 22, 2019, 04:59:42
Is that an MR319469...in your hot little hands?
Title: Re: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection
Post by: tw2005 on March 22, 2019, 08:19:33
Is that an MR319469...in your hot little hands?


(https://www.1500days.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/GS-4-nothing-to-see-here-folks-move-along-300x168.jpg)
Title: Re: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection
Post by: tw2005 on March 22, 2019, 08:23:49
NO, most definitely not.


(https://i.ibb.co/fMcD88w/20190322-182103.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1ZSzssW)
Title: Re: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection
Post by: Paolo5 on March 22, 2019, 09:29:59
 :lol:
Title: Re: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection
Post by: kamikazeeugen on March 24, 2019, 18:29:12
Hi!
After soo manny hours and parts put in my car to solve the low biting point of the clutch, i have bought an new set from Sachs and install yesterday.
The result is stunning. I do think now that removing the damper, which i did, is simply an delay to the imminent death of the clutch.
I think that the oem pressure plate, made by Valeo btw, is not the best. Either engineered bad or the metals inside are not ok. In time the spring plate fails to work correctly. The friction material plenty left, release bearing great shape, actuating fork ok, no visible marks on pressure plate either. Now, the clutch feels great, you can actualy feel the disengaging point. I bite the bullet because i couldint engage gears anymore, risk to damage gearbox.
I will post some pictures with the clutch.
Another thing, inside 2 off the springs from the disk there are some metal cylinders wobling arround making rattle sound. Why they put those in? :head_knock:
Anyhow!! Happy with my clutch now and i will install back the damper as i feel the vibrations now lol.. :mrgreen:
Hope this helps!
Regards!
Eugen
Title: Re: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection
Post by: tw2005 on March 24, 2019, 20:29:21
Hi!
After soo manny hours and parts put in my car to solve the low biting point of the clutch, i have bought an new set from Sachs and install yesterday.
The result is stunning. I do think now that removing the damper, which i did, is simply an delay to the imminent death of the clutch.
I think that the oem pressure plate, made by Valeo btw, is not the best. Either engineered bad or the metals inside are not ok. In time the spring plate fails to work correctly. The friction material plenty left, release bearing great shape, actuating fork ok, no visible marks on pressure plate either. Now, the clutch feels great, you can actualy feel the disengaging point. I bite the bullet because i couldint engage gears anymore, risk to damage gearbox.
I will post some pictures with the clutch.
Another thing, inside 2 off the springs from the disk there are some metal cylinders wobling arround making rattle sound. Why they put those in? :head_knock:
Anyhow!! Happy with my clutch now and i will install back the damper as i feel the vibrations now lol.. :mrgreen:
Hope this helps!
Regards!
Eugen
Well that puts a DAMPER  on my damper theory now does'nt it.  The driven plate has springs to absorb the shock. Without seeing this, the metal inserts likly help the spring stay straight.

Anyway based on what you're saying when I put this new damper back in I should be where I was with a clutch dragging. We'll find out soon when I get the car back this week.
Title: Re: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection
Post by: Paolo5 on March 24, 2019, 21:27:24
 "Well that puts a DAMPER  on my damper theory now does'nt it."





groan..... :wink:
Title: Re: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection
Post by: tw2005 on March 28, 2019, 23:48:51
REPORT:

Damper Valve fitted, bleeding was a pain in the  :whistler:. Clutch bite point is lowish but pretty much as it was with the bypass. With the old damper it had reached the point with the pedal buried it was dragging bad enough to have to slam it into reverse to mesh and almost impossible to engage a forward gear stationary.

That is no longer the case with the new valve fitted so I'm calling this one a bad damper as the major contributor.

Naturally we can't ignore he possibility of a bad pressure plate but the bypass is a quick way to check if the damper is faulty.

Clutch operation and enagement is noticeably softer with the damper in meaning you can let the pedal out quicker with less shock.

Someone  good with the clutch pedal  control though can engage the clutch just as smooth without the damper.

One thing I did try was raising the engine up higher in RPM on reverse and there's a little drag but not enough to grind.

It's definitely much better  :victory: :goodjob2:
Title: Re: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection
Post by: Paolo5 on March 29, 2019, 04:55:08
REPORT:

Damper Valve fitted, bleeding was a pain in the  :whistler:. Clutch bite point is lowish but pretty much as it was with the bypass. With the old damper it had reached the point with the pedal buried it was dragging bad enough to have to slam it into reverse to mesh and almost impossible to engage a forward gear stationary.

That is no longer the case with the new valve fitted so I'm calling this one a bad damper as the major contributor.

Naturally we can't ignore he possibility of a bad pressure plate but the bypass is a quick way to check if the damper is faulty.

Clutch operation and enagement is noticeably softer with the damper in meaning you can let the pedal out quicker with less shock.

Someone  good with the clutch pedal  control though can engage the clutch just as smooth without the damper.

One thing I did try was raising the engine up higher in RPM on reverse and there's a little drag but not enough to grind.

It's definitely much better  :victory: :goodjob2:

Great investigative and follow-up work!!!! :goodjob2:

I have ordered one from my local Mitsubishi/Hyundai dealer to put into my diesel's survival kit.

It is quite amazing that if I went to the same counter and asked for the genuine Hyundai part it would be $410.... and if I asked them for the Mitsubishi part it would be just over $20!!!!!  :crazy3:

Glad I asked for the Mitsubishi one..

Many thanks  :clapthanks:
Title: Re: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection
Post by: tw2005 on March 29, 2019, 07:02:20
REPORT:

Damper Valve fitted, bleeding was a pain in the  :whistler:. Clutch bite point is lowish but pretty much as it was with the bypass. With the old damper it had reached the point with the pedal buried it was dragging bad enough to have to slam it into reverse to mesh and almost impossible to engage a forward gear stationary.

That is no longer the case with the new valve fitted so I'm calling this one a bad damper as the major contributor.

Naturally we can't ignore he possibility of a bad pressure plate but the bypass is a quick way to check if the damper is faulty.

Clutch operation and enagement is noticeably softer with the damper in meaning you can let the pedal out quicker with less shock.

Someone  good with the clutch pedal  control though can engage the clutch just as smooth without the damper.

One thing I did try was raising the engine up higher in RPM on reverse and there's a little drag but not enough to grind.

It's definitely much better  :victory: :goodjob2:

Great investigative and follow-up work!!!! :goodjob2:

I have ordered one from my local Mitsubishi/Hyundai dealer to put into my diesel's survival kit.

It is quite amazing that if I went to the same counter and asked for the genuine Hyundai part it would be $410.... and if I asked them for the Mitsubishi part it would be just over $20!!!!!  :crazy3:

Glad I asked for the Mitsubishi one..

Many thanks  :clapthanks:
Cheers, Just come back from a good stint. I will say there is likely an element of weakness in my pressure plate but it's definitely not as low. For $20 worth a shot. Not ike spending $200
Title: Re: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection
Post by: DragOn on April 18, 2019, 03:31:47
REPORT:

Damper Valve fitted, bleeding was a pain in the  :whistler:. Clutch bite point is lowish but pretty much as it was with the bypass. With the old damper it had reached the point with the pedal buried it was dragging bad enough to have to slam it into reverse to mesh and almost impossible to engage a forward gear stationary.

That is no longer the case with the new valve fitted so I'm calling this one a bad damper as the major contributor.

Naturally we can't ignore he possibility of a bad pressure plate but the bypass is a quick way to check if the damper is faulty.

Clutch operation and enagement is noticeably softer with the damper in meaning you can let the pedal out quicker with less shock.

Someone  good with the clutch pedal  control though can engage the clutch just as smooth without the damper.

One thing I did try was raising the engine up higher in RPM on reverse and there's a little drag but not enough to grind.

It's definitely much better  :victory: :goodjob2:

Great investigative and follow-up work!!!! :goodjob2:

I have ordered one from my local Mitsubishi/Hyundai dealer to put into my diesel's survival kit.

It is quite amazing that if I went to the same counter and asked for the genuine Hyundai part it would be $410.... and if I asked them for the Mitsubishi part it would be just over $20!!!!!  :crazy3:

Glad I asked for the Mitsubishi one..

Many thanks  :clapthanks:
Cheers, Just come back from a good stint. I will say there is likely an element of weakness in my pressure plate but it's definitely not as low. For $20 worth a shot. Not ike spending $200

Hi tw2005, what was the Misubishi pn. for the damper? i will look at ordering one.  :goodjob2:
Title: Re: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection
Post by: Paolo5 on April 18, 2019, 05:14:01
You will see the part number written on the bag in Reply #10.

FWIW Yesterday, I picked up the one that I ordered from Mitsubishi a few weeks ago.

I hope that I never have to use it but it is there if I do.

Thanks again, TW2005!  :goodjob2:
Title: Re: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection
Post by: DragOn on April 18, 2019, 06:57:32
Thanks Paolo5.
 For some reason my work PC isn't showing the pic. Had a look on my tablet, and there it was.  :P
Title: Re: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection
Post by: Offgrid on September 16, 2019, 20:21:41
After lots of calls and searching, this post has (almost) resolved this issue for me.
Unfortunately, the mitsubishi part has never been ordered in the UK according to several dealers. I was recommended to contact direct to the European system to locate a price and availability. But that requires a call to a European dealership.

Meanwhile the parts dept in West London Mitsubishi suggested a site called megazip.net. They can ship from UAE. The part is less than $7 US. Though with postage its best part of $45.

Still cheaper than Hyundai Exeter, Bristol Street Motors. £184

The complete barrel and damper is available from Seoul, genuine part on ebay list no.
121521276368
Currently US $51. But free postage.

I'm about to order two Mitsubishi mr319469 units from megazip.
If anyone wants the spare PM me.
I expect it will take a week. I will probably list the spare on ebay. It's pointless ordering just one at £6 when postage is 6x the price for one or two.

I hope this update will help someone else as much as the earlier posts have helped me.

Thanks for all the help here. I was beginning to panic that I'd never resolve the problem until clutch or gearbox suffered as a result.

Hopefully this will fix the issue. There's only 70k miles on the clock so a new clutch should be a long way off even with the info about spring/pressure plate wear on here.

Thanks again.

Oh and Hello..... As I'm new around here. 😁🚗💨
Title: Re: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection
Post by: tw2005 on September 16, 2019, 21:03:28
After lots of calls and searching, this post has (almost) resolved this issue for me.
Unfortunately, the mitsubishi part has never been ordered in the UK according to several dealers. I was recommended to contact direct to the European system to locate a price and availability. But that requires a call to a European dealership.

Meanwhile the parts dept in West London Mitsubishi suggested a site called megazip.net. They can ship from UAE. The part is less than $7 US. Though with postage its best part of $45.

Still cheaper than Hyundai Exeter, Bristol Street Motors. £184

The complete barrel and damper is available from Seoul, genuine part on ebay list no.
121521276368
Currently US $51. But free postage.

I'm about to order two Mitsubishi mr319469 units from megazip.
If anyone wants the spare PM me.
I expect it will take a week. I will probably list the spare on ebay. It's pointless ordering just one at £6 when postage is 6x the price for one or two.

I hope this update will help someone else as much as the earlier posts have helped me.

Thanks for all the help here. I was beginning to panic that I'd never resolve the problem until clutch or gearbox suffered as a result.

Hopefully this will fix the issue. There's only 70k miles on the clock so a new clutch should be a long way off even with the info about spring/pressure plate wear on here.

Thanks again.

Oh and Hello..... As I'm new around here. 😁🚗💨
Keep in mind it may help but it also may not. It has helped mine although it's still low but at least it's driveable where as prior it had reached the point it  was no longer disengaging. My car has done a lot of Ks so in reality replacing the whole clutch would be the next step
Title: Re: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection
Post by: murpha86 on January 08, 2020, 06:38:55
Hey guys, Just got and i30 with the purchase of our driving school. Its a 2014 so I believe its a GD? Any way it has the dreaded clutch issue of low engagement and this is getting worse. Its really bad for driving students as you can imagine and is also dangerous.

So looking at the pictures of the part numbers it looks like we have the type of clutch system listed as GD 1600 MPi? in any case I cant find any obvious clutch damper in the system. Is it built into the master cylinder? or am I missing something obvious here?

Any help would be much appreciated. BTW the car has had a brand new exceedy clutch fitted only 5000km ago so the problem looks to be in the hydraulic system.

Cheers,
Sean.
Title: Re: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection
Post by: tw2005 on January 08, 2020, 06:53:26
Hey guys, Just got and i30 with the purchase of our driving school. Its a 2014 so I believe its a GD? Any way it has the dreaded clutch issue of low engagement and this is getting worse. Its really bad for driving students as you can imagine and is also dangerous.

So looking at the pictures of the part numbers it looks like we have the type of clutch system listed as GD 1600 MPi? in any case I cant find any obvious clutch damper in the system. Is it built into the master cylinder? or am I missing something obvious here?

Any help would be much appreciated. BTW the car has had a brand new exceedy clutch fitted only 5000km ago so the problem looks to be in the hydraulic system.

Cheers,
Sean.
Looks like Diesel has it, petrol does not. I know someone who had a GD diesel and clutch replacement fixed his so It's likely doing this damper helps somewhat but ultimately it could be the clutch?
Title: Re: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection
Post by: murpha86 on January 08, 2020, 08:05:07
SOOO being a noob i got the model of the car completely wrong. It is a 1.8 petrol car. In any case I am having this clutch issue. My mechanic is wanting to replace the slave, and seeing how i cant find any damper valve I'm thinking that's my only option. It has a brand new clutch already
Title: Re: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection
Post by: nzenigma on January 08, 2020, 08:10:04
Mate. having a new clutch ( good one) already fitted, you are ahead of the pack, mechanic did not understand the damper principle. So fix it this weekend DIY and its solved.  :twisted:
Title: Re: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection
Post by: nzenigma on January 08, 2020, 08:11:38
SOOO being a noob i got the model of the car completely wrong. It is a 1.8 petrol car. In any case I am having this clutch issue. My mechanic is wanting to replace the slave, and seeing how i cant find any damper valve I'm thinking that's my only option. It has a brand new clutch already

sorry do not do So!
Title: Re: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection
Post by: Dazzler on January 08, 2020, 08:33:26
Mate. having a new clutch ( good one) already fitted, you are ahead of the pack, mechanic did not understand the damper principle. So fix it this weekend DIY and its solved.  :twisted:

You've lost me Garry. How does Murpha86 do that? Especially if he's not mechanically minded. I would consider myself a reasonably capable DIY person but fairly nervous fiddling with mechanicals in relatively new cars. I'd be braver on an old clunker.  :cool:
Title: Re: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection
Post by: Lorian on January 08, 2020, 17:48:06
It's a driving school car - hard on the clutch pedal I guess - there is a thread here I'm sure (I'm not sure, as I've said before I'm getting old) about one possible low bite point issue being caused by a worn pushrod from the clutch pedal to the master cylinder. maybe it's that. 
Title: Re: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection
Post by: nzenigma on January 08, 2020, 20:32:57
Looks like Diesel has it, petrol does not. I know someone who had a GD diesel and clutch replacement fixed his so It's likely doing this damper helps somewhat but ultimately it could be the clutch?

I know that FD model had the damper on both diesel and petrol. Have to say I have avoided manual GDs so you may be right. But......

The master cylinder is different, twist and pull to remove. Its possible it has a damper inside? Assuming the flywheel is solid, possible damper is in the slave cylinder?

But..... maybe its old school.
Title: Re: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection
Post by: nzenigma on January 08, 2020, 22:22:37
Mate. having a new clutch ( good one) already fitted, you are ahead of the pack, mechanic did not understand the damper principle. So fix it this weekend DIY and its solved.  :twisted:

You've lost me Garry. How does Murpha86 do that? Especially if he's not mechanically minded. I would consider myself a reasonably capable DIY person but fairly nervous fiddling with mechanicals in relatively new cars. I'd be braver on an old clunker.  :cool:

I have checked and the slave is external . easy DIY job.
 Not mechanically minded? How do you know if you are not prepared to do a bit of reading then attempt the job?

Im not advocating some rocket science task. Most of the repairs Gerard and I advise upon, the average high school kid should be able to accomplish.
Title: Re: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection
Post by: Dazzler on January 09, 2020, 02:38:20
Mate. having a new clutch ( good one) already fitted, you are ahead of the pack, mechanic did not understand the damper principle. So fix it this weekend DIY and its solved.  :twisted:

You've lost me Garry. How does Murpha86 do that? Especially if he's not mechanically minded. I would consider myself a reasonably capable DIY person but fairly nervous fiddling with mechanicals in relatively new cars. I'd be braver on an old clunker.  :cool:

I have checked and the slave is external . easy DIY job.
 Not mechanically minded? How do you know if you are not prepared to do a bit of reading then attempt the job?

Im not advocating some rocket science task. Most of the repairs Gerard and I advise upon, the average high school kid should be able to accomplish.

Fairy Nuff.  :goodjob: :drinks:
Title: Re: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection
Post by: Leyburn on January 26, 2020, 12:14:23
After lots of calls and searching, this post has (almost) resolved this issue for me.
Unfortunately, the mitsubishi part has never been ordered in the UK according to several dealers. I was recommended to contact direct to the European system to locate a price and availability. But that requires a call to a European dealership.

Meanwhile the parts dept in West London Mitsubishi suggested a site called megazip.net. They can ship from UAE. The part is less than $7 US. Though with postage its best part of $45.

Still cheaper than Hyundai Exeter, Bristol Street Motors. £184

The complete barrel and damper is available from Seoul, genuine part on ebay list no.
121521276368
Currently US $51. But free postage.

I'm about to order two Mitsubishi mr319469 units from megazip.
If anyone wants the spare PM me.
I expect it will take a week. I will probably list the spare on ebay. It's pointless ordering just one at £6 when postage is 6x the price for one or two.

I hope this update will help someone else as much as the earlier posts have helped me.

Thanks for all the help here. I was beginning to panic that I'd never resolve the problem until clutch or gearbox suffered as a result.

Hopefully this will fix the issue. There's only 70k miles on the clock so a new clutch should be a long way off even with the info about spring/pressure plate wear on here.

Thanks again.

Oh and Hello..... As I'm new around here. 😁🚗💨

Santa Fe owner with clutch problems. This is a useful thread, particularly the quoted post, thanks.

@ Offgrid , did you have to pay UK VAT and customs duty on top of the USD50 purchase price?
Title: Re: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection
Post by: Lorian on January 26, 2020, 16:02:27
Do check www.koraps.com (http://www.koraps.com) for this sort of thing too.
Title: Re: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection
Post by: tw2005 on January 26, 2020, 22:12:10
Do check  :link: KORAPS - KORea Auto Parts Service - HYUNDAI KIA GM SSANGYONG RENAULT Genuine Parts! Low Price! (http://www.koraps.com) for this sort of thing too.
Only drawback with Koraps, Korea is LHD so you won't find a RHD clutch damper unit unless it is the same part number as the LHD market.
Title: Re: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection
Post by: Leyburn on January 27, 2020, 07:09:28
Thanks for the replies, I've tried signing up at Koraps, but a pop-up appears:

(https://i.ibb.co/7YwkLVN/Koraps-username.jpg)

Click OK, but can't move forward from the sign-up page.

i can't read Korean

Solved: changed username and nickname, now registered
Title: Re: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection
Post by: Lorian on January 27, 2020, 20:06:30
I think the actual screw in damper is the same? I have an old note that says part number 416902H900 would need to check

useful place to check such things for EU members

 :link: Hyundai parts catalog - I30 (https://hyundai.epc-data.com/i30/37450/)
Title: Re: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection
Post by: Leyburn on January 28, 2020, 06:09:49
megazip.net have the Mitsibushi part:  DAMPER, CLUTCH M/CYL Mitsubishi MR319469 . Still trying to locate in the UK or EU to avoid being ripped off on import tax charges. Approx GBP35 to purchase two dampers and air freight from Japan to the UK, approx GBP7 value added tax, which isn't too bad, but I object to paying the UK delivery company GBP18 fixed fee for the privilege of extracting the GBP7 VAT

Can't find what I want on Koraps.

Hyundai / Kia 416902H900  is described as a "Regulator Assy-Clutch"   ttps://www.online-parts.co.uk/kia-spare-parts/416902H900_Regulator-Assy-Clutc.html?language=en   sounds hopeful, in the UK but price is GBP182 plus delivery

Edit: my error, GBP8 handling fee for extracting GBP7 VAT, still grates.
Title: Re: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection
Post by: Lorian on January 29, 2020, 18:52:51
not sure the difference between the 900 and the 100 but there is this, dont know if it helps

 :link: ELANTRA 06-11 i30 08-12 CEED 09-12 GeNuiNe CLUTCH REGULATOR 416902H100 | eBay (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ELANTRA-06-11-i30-08-12-CEED-09-12-GeNuiNe-CLUTCH-REGULATOR-416902H100/123891297150?epid=772784704&hash=item1cd87f2b7e:g:eZYAAOSwbdldaGz2)
Title: Re: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection
Post by: Leyburn on February 24, 2020, 14:13:24
Thanks Lorian, that looks as if it would fit, certainly very similar,

The damper arrived from megazip, fitted at the same time as the new clutch master cylinder so can't be certain if the damper was faulty or the master cylinder was faulty, but the clutch pedal now has a much better action, the bite point is higher up and the pedal returns to the "up" position quickly. Previously, the bite point was low and the pedal would return slowly to the "up" position.
Title: Re: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection
Post by: Lorian on February 24, 2020, 23:47:19
Another thing, inside 2 off the springs from the disk there are some metal cylinders wobling arround making rattle sound. Why they put those in? :head_knock:

So we have a in interesting noise to talk about.
Title: Re: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection
Post by: Lorian on February 24, 2020, 23:48:45
Thanks Lorian, that looks as if it would fit, certainly very similar,

The damper arrived from megazip, fitted at the same time as the new clutch master cylinder so can't be certain if the damper was faulty or the master cylinder was faulty, but the clutch pedal now has a much better action, the bite point is higher up and the pedal returns to the "up" position quickly. Previously, the bite point was low and the pedal would return slowly to the "up" position.

good news  :goodjob2:
Title: Re: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection
Post by: Stewart229 on May 09, 2021, 17:38:07
Can anyone say if the part circiled red is the damper on a 2014 1.6 diesel i30
Title: Re: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection
Post by: AVP on August 30, 2021, 09:02:14
@Stewart229, there is no picture attached, or at least I don't see it. You have the 1.6 diesel from 2014, mine is from the same year, so I assume you have the same part as me. It is located behind the battery - computer - diesel filter - your damper piece. You have to remove all the previous mentioned components to get to it. It is the same piece as the one posted in this thread and I think older Hyundai models have the same damper.

@ALL, Hi there,

I bought a new damper, entire piece some time ago and yesterday I installed it and bled the system. Guess what?
The clutch pedal is the same (low bite point). I am getting that M16 screw and will remove the damper on the old one, install it and see how it goes. The car has only 50.000 km, so I don't think it's the clutch itself as it was driven with care and precision on changing gears.

Let you know the outcome.
Title: Re: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection
Post by: PGN I30 on December 11, 2023, 15:12:28
Hi,
Still wondering how these dampers go bad, there appears to be no moving parts in one.

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