[Cookie Thumper]

The front strut failed

Numerous components go into a strut assembly, what failed ?

[tw2005]

The front strut failed

Numerous components go into a strut assembly, what failed ?

probably unrealistic to expect specifics, but i like the guessing game and innuendos.

If someone said to me the front strut failed and went bang this is what comes to my mind.

Welds and likely the spring seat if it was happy then suddenly bang and failure.

can't wait for the coroners report, unlikely Hyundai will be flashing images around, could cause a service campaign or recall though

[nzenigma]

Without getting any further detail would be interesting to know how easily a front strut could fail.

Directed at our Techies, are they just a steel bar? I assume they are not say cast aluminium on our cars. Wonder if it was a mounting point or the strut itself.  So many questions! 

They are a steel tube with spring at the top. Internally the tube houses a shock absorber. It is a standard sort of design
\The shock absorber can fail over time but that is leaking fluid. No big bangs.

[Dazzler]

And finally I was just trying to make drivers aware of I30’s that this happened to mine.
Safe driving!

Madam, if it was your genuine intention to inform people of a potential problem, you would have produced a succinct account of developments at the site of your mishap and also a true account , with evidence, of your interaction with your dealer.

I as an experienced and independent mechanic, I remain convinced that you collided with some object in the dark and damaged the passenger side suspension.

Your vigorous attack upon me after I suggested the above impact, also convinces me that the dealer has rejected your warranty claim and you are now waging a spiteful crusade against anyone you perceive to be associated with Hyundai.

Your nastiness also extended to Beerman. You are totally our of order.

  Popcorn, anyone?

And DAZZ, payup, I'm sick of being a non-affiliated volunteer

Steve and I fund the site out of our pockets (they are not that deep sorry) 

Appreciation will continue to be your only reward..

Without getting any further detail would be interesting to know how easily a front strut could fail.

Directed at our Techies, are they just a steel bar? I assume they are not say cast aluminium on our cars. Wonder if it was a mounting point or the strut itself.  So many questions! 

They are a steel tube with spring at the top. Internally the tube houses a shock absorber. It is a standard sort of design
\The shock absorber can fail over time but that is leaking fluid. No big bangs.

Cheers guys. I forgot that a Shockie and associated bits is called a strut these days. I was thinking More like a wishbone thing snapping in half. 

[tw2005]

And finally I was just trying to make drivers aware of I30’s that this happened to mine.
Safe driving!

Madam, if it was your genuine intention to inform people of a potential problem, you would have produced a succinct account of developments at the site of your mishap and also a true account , with evidence, of your interaction with your dealer.

I as an experienced and independent mechanic, I remain convinced that you collided with some object in the dark and damaged the passenger side suspension.

Your vigorous attack upon me after I suggested the above impact, also convinces me that the dealer has rejected your warranty claim and you are now waging a spiteful crusade against anyone you perceive to be associated with Hyundai.

Your nastiness also extended to Beerman. You are totally our of order.

  Popcorn, anyone?

And DAZZ, payup, I'm sick of being a non-affiliated volunteer

Steve and I fund the site out of our pockets (they are not that deep sorry) 

Appreciation will continue to be your only reward..

Without getting any further detail would be interesting to know how easily a front strut could fail.

Directed at our Techies, are they just a steel bar? I assume they are not say cast aluminium on our cars. Wonder if it was a mounting point or the strut itself.  So many questions! 

They are a steel tube with spring at the top. Internally the tube houses a shock absorber. It is a standard sort of design
\The shock absorber can fail over time but that is leaking fluid. No big bangs.

Cheers guys. I forgot that a Shockie and associated bits is called a strut these days. I was thinking More like a wishbone thing snapping in half. 

How about when you get that stinger a test drive next time you're in SEQ

[Dazzler]

Yeah, that's a thought Gerard. I might actually be up there during the January School holidays. Thinking of detouring via Sunshine Coast (to visit my Eldest Daughter) on the way to see Dad in WA if I can wangle a good deal. 

[Blazorax]

Thinking of detouring via Sunshine Coast

Are you driving up Dazzler?  well if that the case and you will be reaching Sydney before Sunshine coast - give me a buzz when you in Sydney - i'll shout you a few rounds of drinks - and if you up to it some real Vietnamese food

[Dazzler]

Thinking of detouring via Sunshine Coast

Are you driving up Dazzler?  well if that the case and you will be reaching Sydney before Sunshine coast - give me a buzz when you in Sydney - i'll shout you a few rounds of drinks - and if you up to it some real Vietnamese food

Probably not this Trip (fly up) but thinking about another road trip in March April. 

[nzenigma]

The front strut failed

Numerous components go into a strut assembly, what failed ?

Nothing that I can think of that goes 'bang' in the night. 
We have reports of springs failing on a few older cars in Europe that are affected by winter salt on the roads.
The McPherson strut has been part of car design for decades. Used in anything from Toyota to Porsche.

I have replaced a strut on two FD i30s. Both had been damaged by the wheel hitting a gutter . The steel tube had twisted a few degrees at the base. The car was still upright and driveable

I have also seen countless ,probably death scene, wrecks where the body is ripped off the top of the strut. The strut was still completely intact.

Irrespective of tw's love of innuendo,  I have never noticed a weld failure and I would suspect that such a critical component would be over engineered.

If as I suspect, the car in question hit something that night,  components such as the tie rod and lower control arm are more susceptible to damage, than the strut.

[Blazorax]

Would a poorly design speed hump do the same damage @ speed?  There are some really retarded speed hump design in Sydney.  Some nearly as high as mount everest 

[Cookie Thumper]

If as I suspect, the car in question hit something that night,  components such as the tie rod and lower control arm are more susceptible to damage, than the strut.

It does sound like a driver related issue than a Hyundai one.

[nzenigma]

yep. 

[Blazorax]

Just out of curiosity - what to look out for when this sort of thing happen?  Is the car still drive-able after the bang? How can a person like myself identify that there is an issue with the car?  Sometime a bang while driving could be due to a rock hitting the under car so I want to know what to lookout for.

[Dazzler]

Just out of curiosity - what to look out for when this sort of thing happen?  Is the car still drive-able after the bang? How can a person like myself identify that there is an issue with the car?  Sometime a bang while driving could be due to a rock hitting the under car so I want to know what to lookout for.

A collapse would suggest that the corner of the car dropped noticeably. If a strut or spring failed you would notice. A failed shock absorber would mean no rebound over bumps. Things would flop around (and that's never a good feeling) 

[Cookie Thumper]

A collapse would suggest that the corner of the car dropped noticeably. If a strut or spring failed you would notice. A failed shock absorber would mean no rebound over bumps. Things would flop around (and that's never a good feeling) 

Given the complete lack of factual evidence from the OP I assume this is what happened.

[nzenigma]

How can a person like myself identify that there is an issue with the car?

It comes down to an ancient pre-millennial skill, where people would get out of their car and have a look for damage.

After comparing all four tyres these folk could actually  conclude that one did not have air in it.

I know it sounds disgusting, but the ancient people used to lie on the ground if they needed to and compare left from right etc.
 Often they found clues like the left hand suspension has a steel girder attached to it and  Hmmmm   the right hand girder is missing. 

Now this is secret business, so just between us;
 the ancients would have a fixing ceremony in the sacred shed behind their shack where , believe it or not, they made their own beer and actually repaired their damaged car  .   

[tw2005]

A collapse would suggest that the corner of the car dropped noticeably. If a strut or spring failed you would notice. A failed shock absorber would mean no rebound over bumps. Things would flop around (and that's never a good feeling) 

Given the complete lack of factual evidence from the OP I assume this is what happened.

good point.  I have in fact punched a shock through the top  on a Gemini

[Cookie Thumper]

good point.  I have in fact punched a shock through the top  on a Gemini

Ive done it in a VL commodore running standard inserts with kings superlow springs..... clearly it a holden fault

[mickd]

How can a person like myself identify that there is an issue with the car?

It comes down to an ancient pre-millennial skill, where people would get out of their car and have a look for damage.

After comparing all four tyres these folk could actually  conclude that one did not have air in it.

I know it sounds disgusting, but the ancient people used to lie on the ground if they needed to and compare left from right etc.
 Often they found clues like the left hand suspension has a steel girder attached to it and  Hmmmm   the right hand girder is missing. 

Now this is secret business, so just between us;
 the ancients would have a fixing ceremony in the sacred shed behind their shack where , believe it or not, they made their own beer and actually repaired their damaged car  .   

We had no beer making , but a lot of blood letting and sacred language. 
Sacred language was also used to coax the components into position during repairs.
The correct use of the language was also held in secret, as on numerous occasions I was told to "Never repeat that anywhere near your mother "   

[Surferdude]

good point.  I have in fact punched a shock through the top  on a Gemini

Ive done it in a VL commodore running standard inserts with kings superlow springs..... clearly it a holden fault

Which reminds me of the guy who came in to my store in the late 70s with a tyre with a massive hole in the sidewall on a rim which was almost turned inside out from the curb strike.
Reckoned the tyre was faulty. It should be able to handle a bit like that.
I asked him if he was going to ask Holden for a new rim on the same basis..
"No. Why?"
GTF out of here!
Earned a rebuke from my Regional Manager for that.

[mickd]

good point.  I have in fact punched a shock through the top  on a Gemini

Ive done it in a VL commodore running standard inserts with kings superlow springs..... clearly it a holden fault

Which reminds me of the guy who came in to my store in the late 70s with a tyre with a massive hole in the sidewall on a rim which was almost turned inside out from the curb strike.
Reckoned the tyre was faulty. It should be able to handle a bit like that.
I asked him if he was going to ask Holden for a new rim on the same basis..
"No. Why?"
GTF out of here!
Earned a rebuke from my Regional Manager for that.

 

[nzenigma]

How can a person like myself identify that there is an issue with the car?

It comes down to an ancient pre-millennial skill, where people would get out of their car and have a look for damage.

After comparing all four tyres these folk could actually  conclude that one did not have air in it.

I know it sounds disgusting, but the ancient people used to lie on the ground if they needed to and compare left from right etc.
 Often they found clues like the left hand suspension has a steel girder attached to it and  Hmmmm   the right hand girder is missing. 

Now this is secret business, so just between us;
 the ancients would have a fixing ceremony in the sacred shed behind their shack where , believe it or not, they made their own beer and actually repaired their damaged car  .   

We had no beer making , but a lot of blood letting and sacred language. 
Sacred language was also used to coax the components into position during repairs.
The correct use of the language was also held in secret, as on numerous occasions I was told to "Never repeat that anywhere near your mother "   

One day, archaeologists will scrape the soil from our sacred sites and marvel how primitive man could function without iphone, junk food and rap lyrics.

 

[nzenigma]

good point.  I have in fact punched a shock through the top  on a Gemini

Ive done it in a VL commodore running standard inserts with kings superlow springs..... clearly it a holden fault

Which reminds me of the guy who came in to my store in the late 70s with a tyre with a massive hole in the sidewall on a rim which was almost turned inside out from the curb strike.
Reckoned the tyre was faulty. It should be able to handle a bit like that.
I asked him if he was going to ask Holden for a new rim on the same basis..
"No. Why?"
GTF out of here!
Earned a rebuke from my Regional Manager for that.

 

 
late 70s, thats before we arrived to splane it all to the Okkerz. 

[Blazorax]

Now this is secret business, so just between us;
 the ancients would have a fixing ceremony in the sacred shed behind their shack where , believe it or not, they made their own beer and actually repaired their damaged car  .   

LIES !!! I was told by an oriental lady that all things can be fix in a massage palour !!!  - actually yeah that could be in some shacks alright .    

[nzenigma]

Now this is secret business, so just between us;
 the ancients would have a fixing ceremony in the sacred shed behind their shack where , believe it or not, they made their own beer and actually repaired their damaged car  .   

LIES !!! I was told by an oriental lady that all things can be fix in a massage palour !!!  - actually yeah that could be in some shacks alright .    

I wish. But massage palours dont exist here in Queensland. God and the Bjelke - Petersons keeps them south of our border where Socialists live lusting after our dark women and ready to steal our sunshine and pineapples.

[Cookie Thumper]

I wish. But massage palours dont exist here in Queensland. God and the Bjelke - Petersons keeps them south of our border where Socialists live lusting after our dark women and ready to steal our sunshine and pineapples.

plenty of places to unload the boys at in QLD !

[tw2005]

good point.  I have in fact punched a shock through the top  on a Gemini

Ive done it in a VL commodore running standard inserts with kings superlow springs..... clearly it a holden fault

Nah, mine was a genuine ISUZU Gemini, TX Coupe'.  Holden badge went on in 76 on

[tw2005]

The front strut failed

Numerous components go into a strut assembly, what failed ?

............I have never noticed a weld failure and I would suspect that such a critical component would be over engineered..............

So what about this as an example of an "over engineered " item that went , well a bit wrong

1996-97 Hyundai Excel.  An electrical glitch during production weakened a vital sub-frame weld which could then generate structural failure.

special long life rivets were added to the affected area. Not all owners had this work undertaken. Any used buyer who is concerned about a particular example should check with a Hyundai dealer. The work can still be undertaken if required at no cost to the owner.

I'm still dying to find out the detail. 

[Blazorax]

I'm still dying to find out the detail.

It will come when it come - well that what she said anyway 

[nzenigma]

I'm still dying to find out the detail. 

As WE all are!  Its the original context of this thread.