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Title: Subwoofer for PD i30 Audio and location of Tweeters
Post by: Dazzler on July 25, 2017, 05:36:00
Although happy with the quality of the Audio in my SR (for a basic 6 speaker system) I've noticed that they mention a premium audio with 7 speakers (including a subwoofer in one side of the boot cavity) in videos for the 2018 Elantra GT Sport (same as our SR)

Be interested to know if we have the wiring and mounting for it and what the specs of the speaker are.

Not sure where to start to investigate this and whether our head unit will drive a 7th speaker.
Title: Subwoofer for PD i30 Audio and location of Tweeters
Post by: mickd on July 25, 2017, 08:06:09
Try the dealer where you got the car from Dazz, if no luck I'm  sure if you go to a car audio specialist,  they'll get it sorted with an amp & sub for a few  hundred  $$$$ , probably cheaper than getting it via Hyundai & getting them to install it.
Title: Subwoofer for PD i30 Audio and location of Tweeters
Post by: The Gonz on July 25, 2017, 08:14:00
These perhaps?
Auto Addiction (http://autoaddiction.com.au/auto-addiction-offers-88-years/#launceston)
Title: Subwoofer for PD i30 Audio and location of Tweeters
Post by: Dazzler on July 25, 2017, 09:02:48
I was thinking of someone younger and more motivated than me having a sticky behind the boot lining...  :winker:

No doubt Auto Addiction would cost more than I (or Gonz) would be prepared to pay. :whistler:

I will do some more online research in the hope to find more detail in the mean time.

I doubt the local Dealer will have any idea.  :cool:
Title: Subwoofer for PD i30 Audio and location of Tweeters
Post by: mickd on July 25, 2017, 09:12:30
I was thinking of someone younger and more motivated than me having a sticky behind the boot lining...  :winker:

No doubt Auto Addiction would cost more than I (or Gonz) would be prepared to pay. :whistler:

I will do some more online research in the hope to find more detail in the mean time.

I doubt the local Dealer will have any idea.  :cool:

Finding younger  would not really be problem,  but i doubt the more motivated part.
In the mean time, CRANK IT UP !!!   :victory:
Title: Subwoofer for PD i30 Audio and location of Tweeters
Post by: Dazzler on July 25, 2017, 10:28:04
This comes from a fairly comprehensive US review...

 :link: 2018 Hyundai Elantra GT Review - Top Speed (https://www.topspeed.com/cars/hyundai/2018-hyundai-elantra-gt-ar175835.html)

"The floor of the cargo area sits lower in the body for additional space while the sides are free of any storage pockets. A rear deck hangs from the rear hatch to help block sight of what might be stashed in the boot while parked, but this can be removed easily if needed. A single subwoofer resides on the left side of the boot and distributes decent sound without disturbing the trim or that hanging rear deck."

Interesting comment about side storage pockets because the Aussie model does have a pocket on either side...

It appears they get a Harmon (Kardon) - Infinity stereo system in the US in the Elantra and the Elantra GT as per this video...

 :link: Harman-Infinity Clari-fi audio technology on the 2017 Hyundai Elantra with Dawn Geary - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuNbMIfwunc) 
Title: Subwoofer for PD i30 Audio and location of Tweeters
Post by: Dazzler on July 25, 2017, 11:23:33
The plot thickens (different lining in boot of US Elantra GT - see speaker grill on left)

(http://i.imgur.com/xKAkQZw.jpg)

Head unit and menus look the same though??

(http://i.imgur.com/BIwdwj5.jpg)

Title: Subwoofer for PD i30 Audio and location of Tweeters
Post by: NayuluTjuta on July 25, 2017, 11:44:48
@Dazzler, come on be a devil.   :evil:  Rip the lining off the left side and see if there are any spare wires taped to the bodywork for a subwoofer.

On my daughters i30, I found wires inside the door cavity for rear speakers in her polity pack Active.  Made fitting rear speakers a breeze.

Bob
Title: Subwoofer for PD i30 Audio and location of Tweeters
Post by: Dazzler on July 25, 2017, 11:52:57
@Dazzler, come on be a devil.   :evil:  Rip the lining off the left side and see if there are any spare wires taped to the bodywork for a subwoofer.

On my daughters i30, I found wires inside the door cavity for rear speakers in her polity pack Active.  Made fitting rear speakers a breeze.

Bob

I'll install my new mudflaps first then see how easy it is to remove the trim... Depends on my job list from the boss tomorrow..  :winker:
Title: Subwoofer for PD i30 Audio and location of Tweeters
Post by: NayuluTjuta on July 25, 2017, 13:05:54
@Dazzler, I'd like some pics of the mud flaps and a report on how the install goes.  Thinking of fitting some myself.

Just add that to the top of your list.

Thanks,
Bob
Title: Subwoofer for PD i30 Audio and location of Tweeters
Post by: The Gonz on July 25, 2017, 13:06:43
 :crazy1: Not the mudflaps! Mine are gathering dust. Mudflaps are temporary tiny bits of unimpressive plastic awaiting the full glory of the body kit! :victory:

As for the subwoofer, start planning your plywood panel construction project with matching upholstery now. We await your pictorial how-to soon. :happydance:
Title: Subwoofer for PD i30 Audio and location of Tweeters
Post by: CraigB on July 25, 2017, 13:50:16
Not a great spot for a subwoofer in a hatch imo, aside from the typical boom that gets released though the rear quarter panel the parcel shelf tends to vibrate in hatch's and the bass would be muffled considerably back there.

I wonder how much room is under the rear seat :undecided: perfect spot for a bass tube if it'll fit or a small box setup and ported out under the front of the rear seat.
Title: Subwoofer for PD i30 Audio and location of Tweeters
Post by: The Gonz on July 25, 2017, 14:14:05
I wonder how much room is under the rear seat :undecided: perfect spot for a bass tube ...
And the perfect cure for constipation. :lol:
Title: Subwoofer for PD i30 Audio and location of Tweeters
Post by: CraigB on July 25, 2017, 14:33:05
I wonder how much room is under the rear seat :undecided: perfect spot for a bass tube ...
And the perfect cure for constipation. :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Can get specialised thin sub's designed for under front seats too if needed :winker:
Title: Subwoofer for PD i30 Audio and location of Tweeters
Post by: Dazzler on July 25, 2017, 21:35:58
@Dazzler, I'd like some pics of the mud flaps and a report on how the install goes.  Thinking of fitting some myself.

Just add that to the top of your list.

Thanks,
Bob

Should be easy Bob. But will do. I will use a Z screw driver like I did with Trish's tourer. You just take out the existing screws and one plug thingy and replace with the larger headed ones supplied.

:crazy1: Not the mudflaps! Mine are gathering dust. Mudflaps are temporary tiny bits of unimpressive plastic awaiting the full glory of the body kit! :victory:

As for the subwoofer, start planning your plywood panel construction project with matching upholstery now. We await your pictorial how-to soon. :happydance:

I don't expect a huge difference with the mudflaps but will hopefully reduce the chance of stones flicking up and chipping the paint and a bit of muck as well..

With regards to the Sub Woofer. I doubt I will bother, but started the subject for the benefit of other PD (younger) owners who may want such a thing.
Title: Subwoofer for PD i30 Audio and location of Tweeters
Post by: MIY on July 26, 2017, 20:57:36
@Dazzler, come on be a devil.   :evil:  Rip the lining off the left side and see if there are any spare wires taped to the bodywork for a subwoofer.

On my daughters i30, I found wires inside the door cavity for rear speakers in her polity pack Active.  Made fitting rear speakers a breeze.

Bob

I'll try to do that in the near future. Maybe this weekend. You guys made me curious.
Title: Subwoofer for PD i30 Audio and location of Tweeters
Post by: Dazzler on July 26, 2017, 21:01:23
@Dazzler, come on be a devil.   :evil:  Rip the lining off the left side and see if there are any spare wires taped to the bodywork for a subwoofer.

On my daughters i30, I found wires inside the door cavity for rear speakers in her polity pack Active.  Made fitting rear speakers a breeze.

Bob

I'll try to do that in the near future. Maybe this weekend. You guys made me curious.

You seem like a good fella. If you do that I'll make you Romanian member of the month.  :snigger:

It may not be conclusive though as I assume yours is Euro built whereas mine is Korean (like the Elantra GT)
Title: Subwoofer for PD i30 Audio and location of Tweeters
Post by: MIY on July 26, 2017, 21:05:52
Hehe!
I have some ideas about doing improvements to my car and a subwoofer sounds like a good idea if the wires are there already.

Yes, you're right. Mine is built in Czech Republic.
Title: Subwoofer for PD i30 Audio and location of Tweeters
Post by: mickd on July 27, 2017, 01:10:59
I wonder how much room is under the rear seat :undecided: perfect spot for a bass tube ...
And the perfect cure for constipation. :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Can get specialised thin sub's designed for under front seats too if needed :winker:

Think their called Pile Drivers   :lol:
Title: Subwoofer for PD i30 Audio and location of Tweeters
Post by: The Gonz on July 27, 2017, 14:34:46
 :laughter:
Title: Subwoofer for PD i30 Audio and location of Tweeters
Post by: CraigB on August 28, 2017, 10:08:59
Made the leap this morning, now with a better head unit I'm going to get Alberts to install one of the new Morel Maximo/Maximus speaker setups, 6.5" splits - crossovers in the front and 6.5 coaxial's for the rear they've done a few recently and are impressed with them as was I when listening in the show room :)

These head units output 50w per chanel (avg 17w RMS) which is perfect for the efficiency range so I wont have to outlay for the cost of an amp/wiring/labour, the Morels are estimated up to 3 x the output of the standard speakers with nice clarity and decent punch for a simple speaker upgrade alone.

I'll wait till I hear it up and running in the car before I decide if I want a sub, if needed one of the Alpine under seat units with built in amp will do me.
Title: Subwoofer for PD i30 Audio and location of Tweeters
Post by: CraigB on September 12, 2017, 12:23:11
Had the speakers done this morning and cant believe the sound difference :Shocked: so much more detail to be heard that I had forgotten some songs had particular instruments you just don't hear with the standard speakers, cranking it up doesn't sound like plain old noise anymore :yahoo:

I should make a fortune on ebay with the top notch factory ones  :winker:

(https://i.imgur.com/NlBHMY2.jpg)
Title: Subwoofer for PD i30 Audio and location of Tweeters
Post by: Dazzler on September 12, 2017, 12:32:46
How much did that cost you Craig?
Title: Subwoofer for PD i30 Audio and location of Tweeters
Post by: CraigB on September 12, 2017, 12:46:43
How much did that cost you Craig?
With 6.5" Morel Maximus 602 high efficiency 2 ways up front and 6.5" Morel Maximo ultra 602 coaxials at the back $775 installed.
Title: Subwoofer for PD i30 Audio and location of Tweeters
Post by: Dazzler on September 12, 2017, 22:06:21
How much did that cost you Craig?
With 6.5" Morel Maximus 602 high efficiency 2 ways up front and 6.5" Morel Maximo ultra 602 coaxials at the back $775 installed.

 :Shocked: :sweating: I think I'll stick with what I've got. Glad it made a big difference though.  :victory:
Title: Subwoofer for PD i30 Audio and location of Tweeters
Post by: CraigB on September 13, 2017, 03:18:44
:Shocked: :sweating: I think I'll stick with what I've got. Glad it made a big difference though.  :victory:
Dazz, that's quite cheap for good speakers, I'm lucky to get away with it for that price after they realised the amount of work involved to access the rear speakers on a 3dr :crazy1:
Title: Subwoofer for PD i30 Audio and location of Tweeters
Post by: Dazzler on September 13, 2017, 04:32:29
I was thinking I might upgrade my speakers in the PD at some stage but I was thinking like $400 would get a good set.

Me, a cheapskate?  As if! :rofl:
Title: Subwoofer for PD i30 Audio and location of Tweeters
Post by: CraigB on September 13, 2017, 06:48:42
I was thinking I might upgrade my speakers in the PD at some stage but I was thinking like $400 would get a good set.

Me, a cheapskate?  As if! :rofl:

 :lol:
If you were to install it yourself you'll knock a couple hundred off, but if you want the better custom mounts/spacers used and warranty it's worth doing right :goodjob2:

With my back there's no way I'd want to do it myself either :)
Title: Subwoofer for PD i30 Audio and location of Tweeters
Post by: Dazzler on September 13, 2017, 11:21:39
There is actually a benefit to my hearing loss. I probably wouldn't hear the improved range much.

My Bose speakers in the Calais were obviously better than the speakers in the PD, but with my hearing I don't notice a huge difference.

Volume is down a bit though.  :cool:
Title: Subwoofer for PD i30 Audio and location of Tweeters
Post by: Crustycottage on September 13, 2017, 12:31:43
 :blubber: front right speaker started to crackle & pop on way home tonight. Volume at 23 with podcast. Seriously Hyundai I had this PD SR for 7 weeks, and been working away for 3 of them.  :crazy1:
I will be number one on Hyundai Warranty claim hotline  :phone1: at this rate in 5 years that will be 60 speakers.  :Shocked:
Maybe already time to upgrade the shit speakers to something decent like CraigB installed
Title: Subwoofer for PD i30 Audio and location of Tweeters
Post by: CraigB on September 13, 2017, 12:56:20
:blubber: front right speaker started to crackle & pop on way home tonight. Volume at 23 with podcast. Seriously Hyundai I had this PD SR for 7 weeks, and been working away for 3 of them.  :crazy1:
I will be number one on Hyundai Warranty claim hotline  :phone1: at this rate in 5 years that will be 60 speakers.  :Shocked:
Maybe already time to upgrade the shit speakers to something decent like CraigB installed
if they're still using the same standard speakers as was in mine then 23 on the volume isn't good for them, 21-22 would make them reverberate on anything that had stronger or faster bass.

I'm loving the new Morels, they're obviously not the best speaker on the market but there's little if no difference in the sound quality compared to the $2200 Focal splits setup in my mates ute and I don't need an amp to run them
Title: Subwoofer for PD i30 Audio and location of Tweeters
Post by: Crustycottage on September 14, 2017, 03:11:16
:blubber: front right speaker started to crackle & pop on way home tonight. Volume at 23 with podcast. Seriously Hyundai I had this PD SR for 7 weeks, and been working away for 3 of them.  :crazy1:
I will be number one on Hyundai Warranty claim hotline  :phone1: at this rate in 5 years that will be 60 speakers.  :Shocked:
Maybe already time to upgrade the shit speakers to something decent like CraigB installed
if they're still using the same standard speakers as was in mine then 23 on the volume isn't good for them, 21-22 would make them reverberate on anything that had stronger or faster bass.

I'm loving the new Morels, they're obviously not the best speaker on the market but there's little if no difference in the sound quality compared to the $2200 Focal splits setup in my mates ute and I don't need an amp to run them

I may need to come over for a listen to your sound system  :whistler: Are you north or south of the river, may need me passport :rofl:
I was also looking at putting similar Alpine built in amp subwoofer under front seat too,
I used to have do a lot of DIY car hifi building enclosures rear parcel shelves from MDF, crossovers, big amps, cd stackers, big chunky cables with even bigger gold fuse holders in my earlier UK years/ car audio connoisseur / teen hoon tearaway (delete applicable) probably doubled the weight of the car  :P
Title: Subwoofer for PD i30 Audio and location of Tweeters
Post by: CraigB on September 14, 2017, 05:10:52
I may need to come over for a listen to your sound system  :whistler: Are you north or south of the river, may need me passport :rofl:
I was also looking at putting similar Alpine built in amp subwoofer under front seat too
Hope you've got you Aussie passport  :) by all means pop around, I'm not far from Cannington.
If you want my address just send me a pm, I might even break out the good pod coffee for ya :D
I had a measure under the seat and think the bracket for the electrics might just hang a little to low for the sub without a bit of modification  :undecided: I'll have to see what you reckon  :)
Title: Subwoofer for PD i30 Audio and location of Tweeters
Post by: Crustycottage on October 15, 2017, 06:23:13

Although happy with the quality of the Audio in my SR (for a basic 6 speaker system) I've noticed that they mention a premium audio with 7 speakers (including a subwoofer in one side of the boot cavity) in videos for the 2018 Elantra GT Sport (same as our SR)

Be interested to know if we have the wiring and mounting for it and what the specs of the speaker are.

Not sure where to start to investigate this and whether our head unit will drive a 7th speaker.

Hi Darryl
Pulled the left rear side off the boot no spare wires for a sub visible as per US Elantra gt sport. So back to the drawing board on how to increase bass I'm afraid. No room under front seats for compact subs. I just had the stock speakers replaced with Morel 602 same as CraigB
Title: Subwoofer for PD i30 Audio and location of Tweeters
Post by: Dazzler on October 15, 2017, 07:18:01

Although happy with the quality of the Audio in my SR (for a basic 6 speaker system) I've noticed that they mention a premium audio with 7 speakers (including a subwoofer in one side of the boot cavity) in videos for the 2018 Elantra GT Sport (same as our SR)

Be interested to know if we have the wiring and mounting for it and what the specs of the speaker are.

Not sure where to start to investigate this and whether our head unit will drive a 7th speaker.

Hi Darryl
Pulled the left rear side off the boot no spare wires for a sub visible as per US Elantra gt sport. So back to the drawing board on how to increase bass I'm afraid. No room under front seats for compact subs. I just had the stock speakers replaced with Morel 602 same as CraigB

Cheers Scott, Did the speaker upgrade make as much difference as you hoped?

Thanks for the heads up about the wiring.
Title: Subwoofer for PD i30 Audio and location of Tweeters
Post by: Crustycottage on October 15, 2017, 08:24:37
The new speakers have not impressed me so far, the highs are definitely better with female vocals but rest of the sound is bit muddled & disjointed and just wooly bass definition. Chatted to CraigB earlier and could be speakers just need running for longer time. Time will tell.
Title: Subwoofer for PD i30 Audio and location of Tweeters
Post by: Dazzler on October 15, 2017, 08:30:52
That's a bugger.  I'll keep my $750 in my pocket.
Title: Subwoofer for PD i30 Audio and location of Tweeters
Post by: CraigB on October 15, 2017, 11:36:35
Odd that they sound different to mine :confused: I'm very impressed with em in my car as you'd heard them yourself, hopefully they just need to burn in a bit longer or the equalisation between my unit and the PD aren't the same  :undecided:
Title: Subwoofer for PD i30 Audio and location of Tweeters
Post by: Dazzler on October 15, 2017, 20:47:50
I did the exercise with and without the dash mat and struggled to tell if covering the tweeters on the dash with the mat made any difference to the sound. Mind you my hearing is pretty poor in the high register these days.

If I thought there was enough difference to warrant it I would just carefully cut out the mat with a Stanley knife above the tweeters. It is fairly clearly defined in the mat by a slight indent. I don't think I would worry about sun damage to the tweeters as Hyundai obviously don't or they wouldn't have put them in that exposed position.

If I lived in a warmer location and was concerned about sun damage to the tweeters I would get some similar coloured light weight felt or other material and glue it under the mat in those two areas. 
Title: Re: Subwoofer for PD i30 Audio and location of Tweeters
Post by: Crustycottage on October 16, 2017, 05:30:56
I did the exercise with and without the dash mat and struggled to tell if covering the tweeters on the dash with the mat made any difference to the sound. Mind you my hearing is pretty poor in the high register these days.

If I thought there was enough difference to warrant it I would just carefully cut out the mat with a Stanley knife above the tweeters. It is fairly clearly defined in the mat by a slight indent. I don't think I would worry about sun damage to the tweeters as Hyundai obviously don't or they wouldn't have put them in that exposed position.

If I lived in a warmer location and was concerned about sun damage to the tweeters I would get some similar coloured light weight felt or other material and glue it under the mat in those two areas.

I had a hunt around on tinternet about whether dashmats prevent high frequency signals, and the general WWW consensus is they are designed to allow higher frequencies through. having said that my house stereo always sounds better & more open with speaker grills off  :head_knock:   
Title: Re: Subwoofer for PD i30 Audio and location of Tweeters
Post by: Crustycottage on October 16, 2017, 05:34:32
Odd that they sound different to mine :confused: I'm very impressed with em in my car as you'd heard them yourself, hopefully they just need to burn in a bit longer or the equalisation between my unit and the PD aren't the same  :undecided:
its the bass seems rather wooly. Got Massive Attack Connected album playing on repeat which will give them pesky bass drivers a dam good workout  :whistler:
Title: Re: Subwoofer for PD i30 Audio and location of Tweeters
Post by: CraigB on October 16, 2017, 06:12:57
Base still should sound quite punchy even on flat EQ settings, mine had only an hour or two use before your arrival, nothing over 22-25 for the first 30 hours.

If unimpressed with their performance so far there could be a problem with a speaker, not unheard of for an installer to damage one during installation  :undecided:
Title: Re: Subwoofer for PD i30 Audio and location of Tweeters
Post by: Crustycottage on December 29, 2017, 16:04:36
Base still should sound quite punchy even on flat EQ settings, mine had only an hour or two use before your arrival, nothing over 22-25 for the first 30 hours.

If unimpressed with their performance so far there could be a problem with a speaker, not unheard of for an installer to damage one during installation  :undecided:

Found out the issue with the lack of bass with my Morrell speakers. Alberts have connected up LHF & LHR speakers out of phase. $775 and I may as well have done it myself. They did add MDF spacers but screw spacing is bit average & loose. Since changing polarity much much better sound. Should have gone to the car audio dealer in  Cannington 
Title: Re: Subwoofer for PD i30 Audio and location of Tweeters
Post by: CraigB on December 29, 2017, 16:16:01
Base still should sound quite punchy even on flat EQ settings, mine had only an hour or two use before your arrival, nothing over 22-25 for the first 30 hours.

If unimpressed with their performance so far there could be a problem with a speaker, not unheard of for an installer to damage one during installation  :undecided:

Found out the issue with the lack of bass with my Morrell speakers. Alberts have connected up LHF & LHR speakers out of phase. $775 and I may as well have done it myself. They did add MDF spacers but screw spacing is bit average & loose. Since changing polarity much much better sound. Should have gone to the car audio dealer in  Cannington
Did you take it back to them to rectify? I would have, they bloody stuffed it :disapp: I did wonder whether they might have botched something in the install as mine were excellent.

Great that you've solved it though and you can finally enjoy some decent tunes :happydance:
Title: Re: Subwoofer for PD i30 Audio and location of Tweeters
Post by: Crustycottage on December 30, 2017, 01:43:41
No I didn't take it back as been working away so much before Xmas was hoping they would burn in and sound better.  :head_butt:
As I was installed a sub woofer in boot I needed to trace rear door speaker wiring and that's when I saw the quality of the workmanship & wondered if they cocked up. They kept existing Hyundai speaker plugs and stripped and soldered new speaker cable just before plug. However positive on plug was feeding Morrell negative terminal. So checked the front doors too and the right side correct, left side not. I don't think Hyundai from left to right side of car would need handed speakers  :crazy1:
Anyway sounds al good now :victory:ii
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