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Title: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Chin Ho on June 06, 2015, 10:34:34
Hi All,
I am experiencing a low transmission vibration when accelerating under load from 1,800 to 2000 rpm in either 3rd, 4th or 5th gears ( it's a manual ) Hyundai Aust service ctr. has replaced clutch and all seals plus selector fork but to no avail. At my cost due to no cover of clutch under warranty ! This did not fix the problem and mechanics are now baffled. Tyres are balanced and aligned. Car has done 60k easy driving and is always serviced well within guidelines. Any thoughts please ?
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Seoul-mate on June 07, 2015, 12:18:18
I no longer have my 2008 FD manual diesel but I recall that when accelerating from a low speed the transmission would shudder until the revs picked up and the turbo kicked in. It was commonly reported here on the forum and the solution was just a matter of adjusting how you drive and making sure you selected lower gears in order to keep the revs up. It may well be that this is your issue and that the car itself is fine.
Russ
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: elantraelite on June 07, 2015, 15:26:47
Between 1,800-2,000rpm there shouldn't be any shudder ... It well in the maximum torque band between 1750-2750rpm. I don't have the issue with my 5spd 09 i30cw and it doesnt even shudder towing an 1100kg camper.

I'd be definitely making sure Hyundai take care of this under warranty.

The diesel isn't going to be a race car, but if your changing gear at the correct time and are progressive on the accelerator it shouldn't be shuddering.

Sorry I can't help anymore than that
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Asterix on June 07, 2015, 17:58:10
Between 1,800-2,000rpm there shouldn't be any shudder ... It well in the maximum torque band between 1750-2750rpm. I don't have the issue with my 5spd 09 i30cw and it doesnt even shudder towing an 1100kg camper.

I'd be definitely making sure Hyundai take care of this under warranty.

The diesel isn't going to be a race car, but if your changing gear at the correct time and are progressive on the accelerator it shouldn't be shuddering.

Sorry I can't help anymore than that

 :whsaid:

Have to agree with elantraelite. I can even accelerate without shudder from less than 1800 revs when towing my 1400 kg caravan...  :happydance:
EDIT: Not in 5th gear, but other gears, no problem.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Dazzler on June 07, 2015, 21:31:13
I no longer have my 2008 FD manual diesel but I recall that when accelerating from a low speed the transmission would shudder until the revs picked up and the turbo kicked in. It was commonly reported here on the forum and the solution was just a matter of adjusting how you drive and making sure you selected lower gears in order to keep the revs up. It may well be that this is your issue and that the car itself is fine.
Russ

What Russell said is correct, but usually happened under or near the 1500 RPM mark, not at 1800 rpm or higher?

Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Asterix on June 07, 2015, 21:57:49
I no longer have my 2008 FD manual diesel but I recall that when accelerating from a low speed the transmission would shudder until the revs picked up and the turbo kicked in. It was commonly reported here on the forum and the solution was just a matter of adjusting how you drive and making sure you selected lower gears in order to keep the revs up. It may well be that this is your issue and that the car itself is fine.
Russ

What Russell said is correct, but usually happened under or near the 1500 RPM mark, not at 1800 rpm or higher?

Agree, but that was only in 5th gear, Chin Ho mentions 3+4+5th gear with the problem...  :undecided:
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Dazzler on June 07, 2015, 22:03:57
I no longer have my 2008 FD manual diesel but I recall that when accelerating from a low speed the transmission would shudder until the revs picked up and the turbo kicked in. It was commonly reported here on the forum and the solution was just a matter of adjusting how you drive and making sure you selected lower gears in order to keep the revs up. It may well be that this is your issue and that the car itself is fine.
Russ

What Russell said is correct, but usually happened under or near the 1500 RPM mark, not at 1800 rpm or higher?

Agree, but that was only in 5th gear, Chin Ho mentions 3+4+5th gear with the problem...  :undecided:

That's right, I couldn't remember which gear off the top of my head. Been 5 years since I traded in my CRDi  :Shocked: :faint:
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Phil №❶ on June 08, 2015, 09:04:59
Could it be an engine mount, belt tension, even exhaust mounting problem. Given the work already performed, I'd be looking at other areas for the source. Only other nasty would be a failing bearing or shaft problem in the drive train somewhere. Just guessing, really.

PS, I wonder if the tyre tread is damaged, (there's a word for it but I can't remember what it is),  Surferdude would know what I mean, usually from hard acceleration of braking.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Dazzler on June 08, 2015, 09:51:58
Think it's called harmonic vibration or something like that Phil. :undecided:
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Wingerdave on June 08, 2015, 15:35:58
Harmonic resonance is the term, i believe. It's what breaks wine glasses.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Phil №❶ on June 09, 2015, 00:44:22
No, there's a condition where the individual tread wears at an angle relative to the wheel rotation, instead of presenting a round surface to the road, a toothed edge is presented and this can cause vibration.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Chin Ho on June 10, 2015, 11:37:18
Hi Guys,
Thanks for all your advice, it is now in the hands of the dealer.
They have had the car for 8 working days now and counting.
They have contacted HMCA ( Hyundai Australia ) for help.
Fingers crossed, I will let you know the outcome.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: duttowisch74 on July 17, 2015, 19:24:38
I have the same problem with our I30 2011. Vibrations 1600-1900rpm, very noisy. Hyundai says it is normal when the Turbo charger starts... I don't believe them. I think it is the EGR that have make a lot of sot in the intake. But I have warranty until September so i will try again.
Regards
Anders
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: i30joe on July 18, 2015, 17:29:48
Not sure if it's relevant but a friend of mine had similar problem. Turned out to be track rod ends. His problem was occurring more between 30-40mph. That's was on a vauxhall zafira.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: constipated on July 18, 2015, 23:18:12
Hi All,
I am experiencing a low transmission vibration when accelerating under load from 1,800 to 2000 rpm in either 3rd, 4th or 5th gears ( it's a manual )

I have something identical in my 2011 FD i30. Occurs around 1600 to 1800 rpm just until the turbo spools up. Vibration through the car, mild if level ground but worse if the car is under load or accelerating swiftly.

I reported it at the last service. Was noted and experienced by the technician (who I had no confidence in because  of some false reporting), but nothing found.

At this stage I don't know if it's a problem or just a characteristic of the engine and transmission. Keen to find out if the OP gets it sorted out.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Dazzler on July 19, 2015, 00:21:13
Hi All,
I am experiencing a low transmission vibration when accelerating under load from 1,800 to 2000 rpm in either 3rd, 4th or 5th gears ( it's a manual )

I have something identical in my 2011 FD i30. Occurs around 1600 to 1800 rpm just until the turbo spools up. Vibration through the car, mild if level ground but worse if the car is under load or accelerating swiftly.

I reported it at the last service. Was noted and experienced by the technician (who I had no confidence in because  of some false reporting), but nothing found.

At this stage I don't know if it's a problem or just a characteristic of the engine and transmission. Keen to find out if the OP gets it sorted out.

This vibration in the diesel usually occurs in higher gears at lower RPM (under 1500 rpm) and seems to be exaggerated if they are running a bit rough.

Apparently they fixed it by the time the FD got the 6 speed transmission according to Member Lakes (who had both models of FD)
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: duttowisch74 on July 19, 2015, 08:26:51
Hi,
we are quite many that have the problem with vibrations until the turbo starts up. I will test two I30 next week to see if the problem are there as well. I bought the car from friend and he can not remember any vibrations.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: constipated on July 19, 2015, 11:05:28

This vibration in the diesel usually occurs in higher gears at lower RPM (under 1500 rpm) and seems to be exaggerated if they are running a bit rough.

Apparently they fixed it by the time the FD got the 6 speed transmission according to Member Lakes (who had both models of FD)

The problem with that theory is that my car is the 6 speed manual MY12 model.

I suspect Lakes is meaning a different type of vibration.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: h20melon on July 20, 2015, 11:06:59
Have a look at something I posted a couple of years ago based on vibration and acceleration:

:link: Labouring/lack of power (https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=19858.0)
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: duttowisch74 on July 20, 2015, 16:58:33
Hi!
Look at this tread, :link: Replacement Clutch due to vibration noise (Was:Replacement Flywheel - 1.6CRDi) (https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=31605.30)
The problem were the clutch. "Early days but it appears this 1800rpm+ vibration/rattle has been fixed by a 3 part clutch kit.  Warranty  :mrgreen:"
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Dazzler on July 20, 2015, 23:00:50
Hi!
Look at this tread, :link: Replacement Clutch due to vibration noise (Was:Replacement Flywheel - 1.6CRDi) (https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=31605.30)
The problem were the clutch. "Early days but it appears this 1800rpm+ vibration/rattle has been fixed by a 3 part clutch kit.  Warranty  :mrgreen:"

 :ta: Wish there was a bit more consistency between dealers in situations like this. Some are a lot more agreeable fixing things under warranty than others. :undecided:
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Lakes on July 23, 2015, 01:51:10
It's always hard to describe, things like this, but a good wrench ( for a better word? ) that knows there job well should be able to work it out.
I owned two FD CRDi manual one was 5 speed 2008 year i hit a big Kangaroo with it, then got a new FD CRDi 6speed if I recall rightly was around same time or a week before constipated . So I got to know the two different gear box's & the motors, the second one was a good improvement over the first one.
But for the $ I payed Wow what a bargain they both were loved them both &it hey loved me :rofl:
But they had there own personalities that made them even more special. The first one had a little quirk of it's own, if I got too lazy & did not shift down a gear when I should, this always happened in third gear it did a funny jerky shake that I got to know. But that was my falt from lugging her.

The second one with update tune & six speed manual never ever done that & could pull smoother from low rev's but we only have a little 1.6 or 98 cubic inch or a family size bottle of drink. It's a small motor keep rev's 1,900 n up boy's n girl's . Or better still ride a pushy up a hill in high gear see how you feel.
The original problem could be a number of things would need to drive it myself.
But I'll tell you one thing they can't do & if you try to force them to do it you will stuff up your clutch.
That is try to reverse them up a very steep incline I found out this on my cousins drive they go up that forward with ease but can't go up reverse you have to ride clutch too much I could smell my clutch burning so, never ever tried it again both 5 &6 same
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Chin Ho on August 23, 2015, 05:52:33
Hi Guys,
Thank you for all your advice and referrals on my transmission woes....

Quick update. The vibration was originally diagnosed as clutch plate shudder.
The clutch plate was replaced but the vibration continued ( Costing me over $1,000 out of pocket due to clutch not being a warranty item.)
I took my i30 back, and after having my car in their workshop for 6 weeks the Hyundai Dealer "Suttons Rosebery" finally replaced the flywheel and the vibration has ceased.
They also made it a very difficult and lengthy process to get my $1,000 refund for the incorrect diagnosis. This took over 3 months of many, many emails and calls to Hyundai Aust. and Suttons.
And this was only after involving Dept. of Fair Trading. Funny how quickly they paid up when I started legal proceedings. I have now got my money back for the faulty diagnosis on the clutch plate. Overall a very poor experience for me and my future confidence in Hyundai Australia and Suttons Rosebery.
 
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Dazzler on August 23, 2015, 07:43:07
Thanks very much for the update, can understand how (and why) you feel that way.  :head_butt: :goodjob:
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: constipated on August 24, 2015, 13:15:32
Good to have a resolution. Chin, I have PMed you for more info.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Hman on November 23, 2015, 04:05:17
Does it sound like it's the same issue as mine here?

:link: Clutch vibration+noise 2012 CRDi Wagon Manual (https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=20434.0;topicseen)

They ended up replacing my whole clutch under warranty which fixed it, but the noise came back when the clutch was the same age as the old clutch. Once again this lead to a terrible time having to deal with Tynan Hyundai, and it remains unresolved to this day.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Dazzler on November 23, 2015, 06:41:01
:sad:
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: tuchan on January 10, 2016, 00:44:53
First post here, been lurking but hadn't posted till I got my own issue with this vibration sorted out, FD 2010 CRDI.

I can confirm the same issues with vibration.

Had the gearbox off, clutch plate had loose springs. Car had done 120K.

Replaced clutch plate and back together, fixed and is now just fine.

(http://i67.tinypic.com/nmxpqe.jpg)
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: MetalDan on January 10, 2016, 23:55:06
I've just bought a 2011 FD 6 speed manual, and have noticed the slight vibration in 3rd gear around 1800rpm. I'm not fused about it as long as it doesn't get worse, I'll just take it as a quirk of the car as another member posted.

My car is still under warranty until April 2015, maybe I will at least report the issue now so if it does get worse when out of warranty the issue would have been noted within the warranty. I've never had a car with a factory warranty before, do I report the issue to the large dealer (Holden) I bought it from, or go to a Hyundai dealer?
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: crayman on January 11, 2016, 00:54:43
Do these things have a dual mass flywheel?
Useless things were always vibrating in Nissan's Patrols etc.
Cheapest fix was to go to a solid wheel which was not as smooth overall but still a vast improvement on the factory wheel.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: h20melon on January 11, 2016, 01:11:32
MetalDan: My experience with reporting an issue to the dealers is they want to try and fix it when you mention.  When I had my problem a couple of years ago, and they were saying it is the clutch, I said that I will take the car and drive it until it gets worse - they then said that I would be responsible for damages as I didn't give them the chance to fix the problem (warranty or not).

Not sure how other people have been treated. 
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: dereknunn on January 11, 2016, 02:08:57
Having recently had the clutch assembly replaced in my 2013 GD 1.6 CRDi due to loose springs in the clutch plate - see my thread entitled Transmission vibration (clutch issue) and coolant loss - :link: Transmission Vibration (Clutch issue) & Coolant Loss (https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=37622.msg385231#msg385231)) - I can advise that the vibration was first reported at 60,000km but the clutch was not diagnosed as being faulty or replaced until 95,000km. During this time it did not slip, judder, hamper gear changes or exhibit any other symptoms of wear. Aside from the vibration it worked faultlessly.

As the replacement was not covered under warranty it may be worth considering living with the vibration, I certainly would be doing so knowing what I know now.

Regarding dual mass flywheels, from the pictures I was sent of my car with the transmission removed I was able to compare my flywheel with various pictures of recycled items  available online (particularly ebay) and confirm my flywheel is not a dual mass item. This is inline with what the dealer told me.



Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Dazzler on January 11, 2016, 02:42:47
Derek is correct. We have discussed dual mass flywheels several times on here and I think every time we have concluded that the i30 doesn't have one.

Metaldan, I would report it to your closest Hyundai dealer but make it clear that if they suspect it is a non warranty issue you just want it noted for now and not acted upon.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: constipated on January 11, 2016, 03:26:10
In my case, flywheel was replaced but did not rectify the situation. They told me to replace the clutch at the time at my cost which I declined. I think I will live with it.

This vibration must either be the clutch only or in some cases clutch and flywheel.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: h20melon on January 11, 2016, 03:49:29
Agreed that the vibration is either clutch and/or flywheel.  It's interesting that it is happening with a number of cars and after low kms.  My car has done 50,000km since the first clutch replacement.

Well, in my case, I'm leaving it until it gets too bad or the noise from the bearing is more regular.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: dereknunn on January 11, 2016, 05:44:05
The latest i30 specifications list maximum torque for the 1.6 CRDi engine as 260Nm with manual transmission and 300Nm with dual clutch transmission.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: eye30 on January 11, 2016, 07:59:50




My car is still under warranty until April 2015,


Don't you nean 2016
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: tuchan on January 18, 2016, 08:14:42
Not a dual mass mate.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: GDTourer on January 22, 2016, 05:13:11
Well this is all very interesting.

I've just had my MY13 i30 Tourer Diesel Manual at the dealership complaining of this issue.

Mine definitely has the DMF, and there is massive noise and vibration from the car which the dealer assumes is related to this or the clutch. Was first identified at 65,000 kms (now 90,000) and has gotten to the point where I can't put up with driving the car anymore like this.

But...they've told me they probably can't fix the problem after trying it with other cars and only getting marginal / short term improvements after replacing clutch & flywheel. I said I don't want to waste their time and mine replacing stuff if it's not going to fix the problem.

Seems like this is a very common problem after seeing all the posts on here about it.

I was quite honest with them - if it can't be fixed, then I will be off to my local Toyota dealership and not buying any Hyundai's ever again. They're taking my car for a day next week and looking into it further, but I'm not very hopeful.

Surely with this many confirmed cases, they should have produced a permanent fix and recalled the cars for repair.

I'm currently left thoroughly annoyed at this situation - it's utter bullshit.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Dazzler on January 22, 2016, 05:28:16
Wow! That is really interesting. I wouldn't say there were a lot of issues with this vibration considering the amount of Diesel owners on here. Just been a bit of a spate of them lately.

Maybe they've changed something (changed to a DMF?) because I am pretty sure they didn't have one originally in the diesel.

Really sorry to hear of your problems. I would be exactly the same in the circumstances.

Where is Tim (@cruiserfied ) when you need him!
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Phil №❶ on January 22, 2016, 06:03:57
1. I am very surprised that the tourer has a DMF fitted.

2. I'm even more surprised that the dealership says they only get marginal results on repairing, that doesn't sound right to me. If a new DMF & clutch is fitted, how can it still vibrate. Sounds more like they don't want to do the job.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: GDTourer on January 22, 2016, 06:11:14
They're going to put out a nation wide alert for this issue to see if anyone in Australia has found a fix - this is infinitely more preferable to arbitrarily changing clutches and flywheels in the seemingly vain hope that it will fix it.

I love this car and sincerely hope they can fix it, because if they can't I will be forced to upgrade which will cost me unnecessary amounts of money.

I'm a sales rep and have to put up with this noise & vibration up to 200 times a day...5 days a week...every week...you can understand my frustration!

Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Phil №❶ on January 22, 2016, 06:13:28
Yes, sorry you're having this problem, these cars are generally tops. Hope it can be sorted satisfactorily for you.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Doggie 1 on January 22, 2016, 07:29:51
Is the vibration a felt vibration or a heard vibration?
For a long time now, my car has had a heard vibration from @ 1800 rpm in third gear but I can't say that I can feel anything.
It is quite a loud vibration noise that disappears when the revs rise.
I have spoken to my mechanic once about it but he said he could fault it, but I haven't spent the time since to go with him and show him what I mean.
I imagined it was a loose exhaust bracket as that it what it sounds like to me, but apparently not.
My car is a diesel 6 speed manual.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: cruiserfied on January 22, 2016, 11:39:11
Where is Tim (@cruiserfied ) when you need him!

Hell i've never had the complaint brought up let alone had to replace anything for it.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: rustynutz on January 23, 2016, 00:19:45
Where is Tim (@cruiserfied ) when you need him!

Hell i've never had the complaint brought up let alone had to replace anything for it.

So Tim, can you confirm if the Tourer does indeed have a DMF???  :undecided:
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: GDTourer on January 23, 2016, 02:54:07
Doggie 1 - it's both felt and heard, between 1500 - 2000 RPM in third and fourth gear, under load. In 1st and 2nd it passes through this rev range too quickly for the noise to be apparent, and in 5th and 6th it is drowned out by road noise and wind noise, but presumably still there.

Can be felt through the entire car and the noise is significant - enough to make pedestrians turn their heads and enough that I'm totally sick of it.

Will keep you guys posted once it's been looked at further on Wednesday - hopefully I'll have some answers. I have a 5000km road trip holiday coming up in Feb through the Snowys and VIC high country, and there is no way I'm taking the car while it makes this noise / vibration.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: cruiserfied on January 23, 2016, 11:55:51
Where is Tim (@cruiserfied ) when you need him!

Hell i've never had the complaint brought up let alone had to replace anything for it.

So Tim, can you confirm if the Tourer does indeed have a DMF???  :undecided:

Not really. I've not seen a DMF come out of an I30, though i've only pulled a few manuals out. And the few times ive looked it up after comments here ive never found conclusive evidence either way. Manual and parts catalouge are both very vauge with pictures and descriptions.

I would say its unlikely they would use DMF on Czech cars and not Korean but stranger things have happened.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: rustynutz on January 25, 2016, 00:49:55
Thanks Tim...  :goodjob:

I've searched high & low and still can't find anything confirming that there is anything other than a single mass flywheel in the 1.6l crdi Hyundai i30...  :undecided:


Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: GDTourer on January 25, 2016, 05:34:29
Hmmm...the plot thickens...interesting!!

Well the dealer has told me mine definitely has a DMF (and that they've replaced them under warranty), I guess we'll find out for sure on Wednesday! Perhaps I should get them to show me a photo, or alternatively show me the old flywheel if they end up replacing it.

If it doesn't have one, I'm at a loss (and so is my dealer evidently) as to what could be causing this noise / vibration.

Watch this space...
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: GDTourer on January 29, 2016, 06:55:51
Hi guys,

Well I've collected my car after two days in the workshop - it took longer because they had to attend to another warranty claim regarding front end clunks (suspect failed front left wheel bearing, although I suspect there is more to it than that).

It's going back on Thursday (once parts arrive) for a new flywheel which is being replaced under warranty.

Interestingly, the head mechanic has told me that it probably won't fix the problem but at this stage it's the only option they have.

Also, he had told me unequivocally that all diesel manual GD cars (Koren hatches and Czech wagons) have the Dual Mass Flywheel fitted.

I'll check in again once the flywheel has been fitted and let you know what sort of difference it makes.

What do you guys think about the clutch - should I also be fitting a new one at the same time (92,000kms), or will this be replaced with the new flywheel anyway?

Cheers,
Tom
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Dazzler on January 29, 2016, 08:41:10
Clutches should last almost the life of the car! But so should the flywheel!  :undecided:
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: tuchan on January 29, 2016, 22:35:16
Maybe they have gone over to a dual mass on the GD as apposed to the solid for the earlier cars? I know my FD CRDI has a solid in it, got the old one sitting in a box in the shed with loose springs on the plate.

I would be looking into a DM to solid conversion. DM are a very expensive clutch.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Dazzler on January 29, 2016, 23:10:51
Maybe they have gone over to a dual mass on the GD as apposed to the solid for the earlier cars? I know my FD CRDI has a solid in it, got the old one sitting in a box in the shed with loose springs on the plate.

I would be looking into a DM to solid conversion. DM are a very expensive clutch.
Dual mass refers to the Flywheel, not the clutch. :confused:
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: tuchan on January 29, 2016, 23:20:48
soz, clutch kit as a whole assembly ;)
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Dazzler on January 30, 2016, 01:41:19
Fairy nuff as Dave would say...
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: ttc on January 30, 2016, 12:06:17
My i30 had a clunk in the front too, the cv joint was loose  :eek:

Hope they fix it, maybe I should call the mechanics who did my clutch and ask what type of flywheel it has.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Dazzler on January 31, 2016, 00:02:38
My i30 had a clunk in the front too, the cv joint was loose  :eek:

Hope they fix it, maybe I should call the mechanics who did my clutch and ask what type of flywheel it has.

Please do..  :goodjob:
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: ttc on February 01, 2016, 10:58:34
I did and he told me something very Interesting, but I'm just a stupid motorcycle rider.   :crazy2:
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: rustynutz on February 01, 2016, 11:49:06
Please don't keep us in suspenders, ttc!  :lol:
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Asterix on February 01, 2016, 17:33:32
Please don't keep us in suspenders, ttc!  :lol:

 :whsaid:
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: ttc on February 02, 2016, 03:36:34
You guys are no fun  :evil:


Ok the answer was that some had the dual mass flywheel, some didn't, it varied across the models and years.
He said if you want to know what your car has, ring your local Hyundai spare parts with the VIN number, and they can tell you by looking up which clutch kit it requires.

Mine was definitely only a single.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: rustynutz on February 02, 2016, 03:46:06
Hmm, the plot thickens...  :undecided:
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Dazzler on February 02, 2016, 05:58:09
Breaking News: Hyundai dealers report a meltdown of their parts phone switchboard...
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Phil №❶ on February 02, 2016, 06:52:11
Switchboard made in ROC perhaps.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: GDTourer on February 05, 2016, 07:09:08
Hi chaps,

I got my car back today after 2 more days in the dealer, and the news is not good unfortunately.

The car is absolutely 100% fitted with a Dual Mass Flywheel (I saw the old one but wasn't allowed to take photos), which has been replaced under warranty. The guys warned me that despite this, the vibration and noise are still there. They were right. I was understandably frustrated to hear this, and that they have no immediate solutions.

Also, after replacing the front left bearing they have now acknowledged that something else is wrong with the front left of the car, and it needs to come back for further inspection. I had advised them that this would likely be the case because what I was hearing was definitely more than a bearing, and that they should have replaced the bearing first thing yesterday morning and then test driven the car to give them time to fix the other issue. But no, they only did the bearing late today and didn't get time to look further after road testing. I have been complaining about this clunk since 45k kms (now 92k), so this only compounded my frustrations.

The car is going back again next Friday afternoon for two more days, and I'm hoping they can at least fix the front end so I can go on my road trip holiday through Vic and NSW. My only other option is my girlfriends clapped out 1998 Excel which is not an option.  :lol:

So far they've given me courtesy cars which has been great, but there are none available for the next one so I'll need to hire a car at my expense.

BUT...I have to do at least 2,000km next week for work, and have to put up with this yet-to-be-diagnosed front end clunk AND indefinitely put up with this bullshit flywheel / clutch / whatever issue.

It seems to me like Hyundai has a problem here - there are numerous threads on this site and others about my EXACT issue (CRDi Manual cars, excessive vibration and noise at 1500 - 2000RPM under load 3rd / 4th gear), with Dual Mass Flywheels being the most commonly suggested culprit. My dealer has dealt with at least 4 cars (with angrier owners than me) with this exact issue and have not been able to rectify it for any customers.

Arbitrarily replacing expensive parts that take hours to fit it is a bloody waste of time, particularly when they accurately predicted before carrying out the work that it probably wouldn't fix the problem.

I'm really hoping Hyundai come to the party here, very soon, with a proper solution (solid flywheel conversion?!?), otherwise I'm really not sure what I'm supposed to do.

Will keep y'all posted....
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Phil №❶ on February 05, 2016, 07:26:11
The only thing I can think of is that as the DMF deteriorates, it also is damaging a non replaced component, say the crankshaft bearings. I can only imagine that a DMF slowly disintegrating, must cause an accelerated wear in either the engine or transmission shafts. As these are not replaced, the worn parts continue to make a noise.

Glad I have an auto.  :happydance:
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Dazzler on February 05, 2016, 08:18:54
It is just so weird that one of the best Hyundai techs in the world hasn't come across this problem or a dual mass flywheel :confused:

Don't get me wrong, I believe every word, infact, until they get to the bottom of it, I've well and truly gone off the idea of swapping my Calais to an i30 diesel tourer!!!
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: GDTourer on February 05, 2016, 08:36:42
Agreed on both accounts above.

Unfortunately this just got a whole lot worse.

My drive back from the dealer to home was only 2kms through heavy traffic, so I only had a chance to quickly confirm that the flywheel noise is still there.

I just took the car for a drive to pickup dinner, and am sad to say the problem has not only been made worse, but that it's now so bad that the car is undriveable. It's the same noise and vibration, under the same driving conditions, only now it now sounds like my gearbox is occupied by a 44 Gallon drum full of bricks and someone wielding a muffled machine gun as opposed to a saucepan full of pebbles.

Also I'm pretty sure the RH front bearing is also rooted, and the front left clunk seems even worse than it was before.

I am now thoroughly pissed off at this utter bollocks of a situation, and will be back at the dealer at 8:30 tomorrow morning demanding that they not only take the car back immediately (I refuse to drive it 2,000+ kms like this), but provide me with a courtesy car so I can do my job next week or, failing that, re-imburse me for a rental car.

Wish me luck.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Shambles on February 05, 2016, 08:39:36
I'll try and get @EssexTech to come to the party - this is his exact area of expertise, though he does get snowed under with his daytime job so may not respond this calendar year :eek:


@GDTourer, this is simply unacceptable. Stomp your feet tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: GDTourer on February 05, 2016, 08:46:07
Thanks Shambles, and yes I would anticipate foot stomping of the most vehement kind tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Dazzler on February 05, 2016, 08:51:42
Yep, I wish you luck for sure. Be nice but REALLY firm. Remember the old squeaky wheel scenario. Pardon the pun... You may have to hint at ACCC/ ombudsman etc..
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: GDTourer on February 05, 2016, 09:11:22
Good advice Dazzler, it never pays to piss of your mechanic or your chef, you never know what you might get back!!

I would guess that Hyundai Australia would be the next step before going to the ACCC etc, but in support of your comments I really didn't want to have to go above the dealers head in fear of annoying them or getting them off side.

We'll see what their response is in the morning and go from there.


Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Phil №❶ on February 05, 2016, 09:25:14
If you feel that the dealer has performed their duty properly, then be polite, after all, no one individual at the dealership, is responsible for your problem. It is a technical fault. However, they need to know that the results of their repair work is unsatisfactory to you and requires further investigation involving whatever authorities it may take. What I would call a veiled threat.  :mrgreen:

Good luck
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: GDTourer on February 05, 2016, 23:21:17
Unfortunately there is nobody in the office on Saturdays, so I'm going to have to wait until Monday.

Head mechanic came for a drive and agreed that they've somehow made it worse, and that I shouldn't be driving 2,000 + kms in the car next week, so at least he's on side. He apologised on behalf of the dealer, and said he's feeling bad that he had the day off sick yesterday as he wasn't there to supervise the work.

He said they will possibly look at a replacement gearbox next, and failing that possibly an inspection of the bottom end to make sure crank bearings haven't been damaged. He admitted they have no solution for this problem at this stage. I suggested a solid flywheel conversion and he said he's going to look into it.

Once again, will keep y'all posted as I find out more.

Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: ibrokeit on February 06, 2016, 13:46:22
Unfortunately there is nobody in the office on Saturdays, so I'm going to have to wait until Monday.

Head mechanic came for a drive and agreed that they've somehow made it worse, and that I shouldn't be driving 2,000 + kms in the car next week, so at least he's on side. He apologised on behalf of the dealer, and said he's feeling bad that he had the day off sick yesterday as he wasn't there to supervise the work.

He said they will possibly look at a replacement gearbox next, and failing that possibly an inspection of the bottom end to make sure crank bearings haven't been damaged. He admitted they have no solution for this problem at this stage. I suggested a solid flywheel conversion and he said he's going to look into it.

Once again, will keep y'all posted as I find out more.

Well that sought of sounds positive - I am hoping as Head mechanic he also gets to call the shots on what gets done to fix issues - or has strong input at least.

If it wasn't for the fact it got much worse - I was going to suggest that you should make sure when your on holiday in NSW to book in at the dealer where, and have it seen by, 'one of the best Hyundai techs in the world'.   Of course issue there is being a road-trip it wouldn't be optimal if serious/multi-day work was needed.

Wish you luck regards to the loan car.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Phil №❶ on February 07, 2016, 07:17:11
In the New England area of NSW, I presume.  :goodjob2:
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: GDTourer on February 08, 2016, 00:04:58
HOLD THE PHONE!!!

This just gets better and better  :head_butt:

My car DOES NOT have a DMF fitted - it has a solid flywheel. AAAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!!

Apologies to anyone I've misled by above posts indicating that the car did have a DMF.

When I saw the flywheel on Friday, I thought I was looking at a DMF - it was bigger and stranger looking than any flywheel I've ever seen.

This morning the head mechanic (who was away sick when my car was being done) suggested we take a look at the old flywheel to see if it gave us any clues. He cut open the box and his head immediately dropped..."That's not a dual mass flywheel" he said. To which I replied "WELL THEN WHY THE HELL WAS IT REPLACED, AND WHAT THE HELL IS MAKING THAT NOISE / VIBRATION?!?!?!?"

So I've written today off as annual leave (they couldn't get me in a rental car until late this arvo), and they're going to try to at least fix the front end noise today so I can get on the road and do my trip, and if they can't then I'll rent a car and they've agreed to claim these costs through Hyundai Australia.

As for the front end noise, they're still scratching their heads as to what it could be. They've replaced a front left bearing, but are now telling me the noise is coming from the right and doesn't sound like a bearing. To which I replied "Well then why the hell did you replace the front left bearing and give me a car back that sounds worse than when I dropped it off?!?!?" I'm still 99% sure there are noises from the left and the right, but hey they're the mechanics, right?!?

The saga continues...will update later today.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: ibrokeit on February 08, 2016, 01:01:12
Outstanding!  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: GDTourer on February 08, 2016, 05:49:26
Ok, I picked up the car again just now.

I now have renewed faith in my dealer - they tried really hard for me today and did everything they could given my circumstances.

The noise / vibration under load was only diagnosed just as I was about to leave, and the result may be interesting to many of you.

The guys wanted to show me how much these engines vibrate, so the mechanic used a pry bar to essentially disengage one engine mount while the engine was running. Bugger me if it didn't go from "smooth" to "old tractor" instantly, and the noises being produced were exactly what I experienced when I got it back. It was very surprising indeed! When they dropped the gearbox they must have unsettled the mounts, hence the alarming noise which occurred a couple times over the weekend but couldn't be replicated today because it had all settled back into place. The other noises are still there though, and when I suggested it could be soft or worn engine mounts the response was mutual.

The dealer also pointed out another noise which seems like it could be linked to above, and asked why I hadn't complained about it before - the fact that it shudders a lot on startup but even more on shutdown. I had assumed this was just the norm for a high compression diesel engine, hence why I never complained about it. My guess it that this will also improve with replaced engine mounts. Was pleasantly surprised that they volunteered this concern, and this gave me the confidence that they really do care.

I now have a renewed appreciation for what Hyundai did to make this engine as smooth as it is - those engine mounts are absorbing a massive amount of vibration - get your mechanic to show you one day all you diesel owners!!

The mounts are a fortunately a cheap and easy fix, which they're going to attend to when I get back from my trip.

The front end noise is still not diagnosed after a thorough inspection - even after they ran four sensors under the car with the speaker / headphones inside the car to try to isolate the noise.

All we can determine is that as everything warms up, whatever is faulty expands to the point it doesn't make noise anymore. That would explain why they could hear it when we first drove it early this morning, but not after that and not with the sensors attached. They've agreed to repeat this procedure when the car / weather is cooler and go from there, and I'm happy with that.

End of the day the car still isn't fixed, but I'm confident there are no safety issues and am happy to continue driving it (and taking notes about the front end noise for them) until they can have more time to look at it.

Thanks everyone for your advice and words of support, I think we might be on the way to a happy i30 driver once more!

Cheers,
Tom
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Dazzler on February 08, 2016, 07:46:27
Good stuff Tom, thanks for your updates. Gee, I might get one after all..
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: ibrokeit on February 08, 2016, 14:22:58
That is sounding a bit more promising... a little annoying about the (apparently inadvertent) run around regarding clutch..

I wonder if others (I think there are, aren't there?) having same/similar symptoms will find it is the same cause.   Of course some service centers might take convincing...

Hopefully they will be able to locate the other noise eventually.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: GDTourer on February 10, 2016, 08:00:26
So....remember how I said my faith in my dealer had been renewed on Monday?

Well, that was all well and good until one of my front right brake caliper bolts made a bid for freedom 200km out of Broken Hill yesterday thanks to some muppet not doing it up properly - the caliper was flopping around and grinding on the inside of the wheel.  :rofl:

Fortunately it's a fairly flat, straight road and none of the local kangaroos / emus / goats decided to test my brakes by jumping out in front of me. I shudder to think what would have happened, and feel very lucky that I was able to get it to Broken Hill without needing to stop in a hurry - I only discovered it this morning once the brakes started grinding... I know it happened 200kms from Broken Hill because I heard a loud bang thinking I had it a rock on the road, now I know it was the caliper bolt making a bid for freedom and bouncing into the underside of the car.

Luckily the Hyundai dealer in Broken Hill was good enough to pull parts off a car in their yard to get me back on the road, but it still put me back two hours and I won't get time to see all the customers I had planned to.

Anyway I'm back in next week for a new engine mount (under warranty) and will report back on what sort of difference it makes. I'm betting it will make significantly more difference than replacing a flywheel which wasn't actually a faulty DMF but a regular flywheel that had nothing wrong with it.  :crazy1:

Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Dazzler on February 10, 2016, 08:08:43
The plot thickens. Glad you got through that scare ok...
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Phil №❶ on February 10, 2016, 09:37:20
Blimey, it never ends. Take care out on the road.  :eek:
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: eye30 on February 10, 2016, 15:33:32
Hope you have reported to dealer  or has broken hill dealer raised complaint!

No other damage i hope!
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: GDTourer on February 10, 2016, 20:28:30
Broken Hill had to make a call to my dealer, who paid for everything and probably told them about the rough trot I've had.

Before they called my dealer, they were saying I could be stuck in Broken Hill for two days waiting for parts. Once they called they came back and said "we'll have you on the road in an hour".

No other damage, fortunately the rotor was ok and the dragging on the inside of the wheel only caused very minor scratches.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: ibrokeit on February 11, 2016, 01:10:00
Not good on the brakes.  Nice effort from the Broken Hill dealer - even though it was after talking to your dealer.

I suspect you are right and realised over all goodwill would outweigh having some other car disabled for a few days until the part arrived.  Either that or whiskey, or similar, is going to be shipped (or ordered online for delivery).

Hopefully you will get everything sorted at some point and then you won't have any more issues.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: GDTourer on February 15, 2016, 07:07:48
Hi chaps,

Have collected the car with it's new engine mount and whilst there is some improvement (especially on startup and shut down where it used to knock quite badly), there is still a vibration and noise under the same load conditions. Evidently the engine mount was just part of the problem, which is still yet to be fully diagnosed. The old engine mount had pretty much collapsed apparently.

Front end noises are still there too because they couldn't hear anything on their test drive. It's better since the bearing was replaced and the brake caliper was secured properly, but there are still clunks.

At least they re-checked all suspension mounts & bolts to give me peace of mind that it's not going to fall apart on my road trip holiday which starts on Wednesday.

Unfortunately though, I don't have time or patience to keep chasing the tail of these issues. My i30 was an excellent car and I've loved it, but for a car with 93,000kms and a relatively light history of use it feels a lot older and more used than it is. Unfortunately some of this relates to things that won't be fixed under warranty like diminished shock absorber performance as supported by a Pedders safety report (with replacements being hideously expensive) and seemingly un-diagnosable front end noises. Some of this has led me to the conclusion that whilst these cars might be well built, some of the components being used are of questionable quality and simply not up to the task. Recent experiences driving Accent and Sonata courtesy cars hasn't given me any more confidence - in particular the ride quality, engine noise and road noise of both these cars was pretty average.

Also, because my car is used for work my warranty was reduced to 3 years / 130,000kms, so I only have about 6 months left of warranty support.

All this means that I am likely to be looking at trading it in as soon as possible, and at this stage I'm sorry to say it's unlikely to be another Hyundai.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Dazzler on February 15, 2016, 08:03:06
Wow! Such a tale of woe. Can definitely see where you are coming from.  :disapp:

I would do exactly the same thing in your situation.

Please keep us posted on your future movements.  :goodjob:
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: GDTourer on February 29, 2016, 06:43:47
I'M PUTTING OUT A RENEWED AND DESPERATE CALL FOR ANY HELP OR ADVICE ON THIS ISSUE, AND ANY POTENTIAL CAUSES / FIXES.

Well guys, I've returned from my holiday with nothing but more bad news, aside from the fact I completed over 3,500 kms at 5.2 l/100km with a fully loaded car - brilliant economy.

However the car still has serious issues - driving through the Snowy's and the Great Ocean Road was annoying and, at times, frightening. Trying to drive around the noise / vibration under load without revving the crap out of the car was impossible, although I did modify my driving as much as possible to avoid the conditions under which the noise / vibration is most apparent. I also couldn't tell you the number of times my girlfriend's and my hearts jumped when cornering at speed and hearing yet-to-be diagnosed front end clunks, which got progressively worse throughout the trip.

To top it all off, my windscreen cracked - and it wasn't from an impact to the screen.

I've just spent three hours at the dealer again, taking people for drives and discussing our options.

The new engine mount fitted under warranty did nothing. It made the clunks on startup / shutdown quieter for about 3 days, but made no difference whatsoever to the noise / vibration under load as described above and in many other threads on this site.

Also, front end clunks are now worse than ever, and coming from both the left and right sides. Constant clunks on gravel roads and/or any sharp bumps in the road surface. Less apparent when braking. The service manager and foreman now agree there are noises from both sides, and they don't know what they are. Their response to this has been pretty average. They had another customer complaining of similar clunks and replaced a brake caliper for him today, and want to wait to see what he says about whether it made a difference. New calipers take up to a month to arrive from Korea. They also want to drive a couple other i30's to see what they drive like. I said I don't care about any of that stuff - it drives like crap. You acknowledge this. It's under warranty. Fix it.

Essentially, they think the noise / vibration under load is the clutch but can't guarantee that is the case, and as such can't guarantee that it won't cost me $1,400 to put a new clutch in which may or may not fix the problem. I pointed out that they already had the gearbox out and should have inspected the clutch then (not only for the cause of this problem but also for wear on the friction plates to tell me what condition it was in), which they apparently didn't do and don't seem to care about. I also pointed out that the only things NOT covered by warranty are the friction plates, and that everything should be replaced under warranty if faulty. I suggested that maybe they put it on a dyno, stick it in fourth gear and look & listen to see what's going on. They didn't think that was a good idea.

They're hoping that a foremans meeting tomorrow will provide more examples of clutches being replaced and fixing the problem (and hear more about other cases of front end clunks), in which case I may have more chance of getting it fixed under warranty. Also, if anyone on here can tell me that having their clutch replaced fixed the problem I would love to hear from them, because this may also help my cause.

Otherwise I'm faced with a monumentally shitty choice - potentially fork out $1,400 for the new clutch and have it not fix the problem, have it fix the problem but Hyundai say there was no problem with the clutch and have to pay for it anyway, buy an Exedy clutch for less than half the price of the Hyundai clutch kit and have it fitted privately in the hope that it fixes the problem even though the clutch still works perfectly, or just put up with the noise / vibration until I sell the car. All of those options suck.

This is costing me sales, time and money - none of which I can afford to lose. I'm angry...really angry. What the hell am I supposed to do here?!? For the first 45,000kms this car was the best car I've owned, and I wanted to keep it for 4-5 years, now it seems plagued by these shitty problems that are seemingly too hard to fix.

Back in the dealer again on Thursday, hiring a car because they don't have courtesy cars, see what happens.

ANY help or advice would again be greatly appreciated. Don't taunt me with any suggestions like insurance fraud...it's pretty damn tempting at this point.  :P

Thanks again,


Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Phil №❶ on February 29, 2016, 08:05:01
Really sorry to hear of your continued troubles. There's not much we caqn help yo with because these clunks would have to be something fairly obvious to a trained technician, yet they are stuck for a solution. Maybe you need to get to Tamworth, to see member @cruiserfied. Surely a car can't go from A1 to crap, so quickly.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: crayman on February 29, 2016, 08:15:38
The dyno idea sounds OK but would be a OWHS nightmare, and rightly so. 
Bloody dangerous to be around those rollers plus they make a hell of a racket from tyre noise.
A hub dyno would be just as dangerous.
Surely conventional fault finding can sort this out, it's not the space shuttle.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: cruiserfied on February 29, 2016, 09:28:15
A dyno wont really do much for diagnosis. You cant hear a damn thing over the rollers and you cant move around to listen and feel.

Sounds like you might have 2 different issues. You have mentioned vibration under load and knocking from both sides.

I really cant give any assistance without experiencing it. All i can recommend is to be patient, sometimes it can take a couple of goes to properly diagnose noises like this. And you could give customer care a call.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Dazzler on February 29, 2016, 10:32:43
I think it is time to document everything in an email and send a copy to Hyundai Australia and the dealer Principal. Tell them you are at the end of your tether and looking at all options for a fair outcome...
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: GDTourer on February 29, 2016, 20:52:13
Thanks guys, agree that the dyno idea is an OH&S nightmare, but at least if they wanted to attached those sensors around the car to diagnose it they wouldn't have to keep driving it before moving sensors.

Dazzler - yep, that's what I'm going to do next.

cruiserfied: I have been very, very patient with these guys. Front end clunks first identified at 45,000kms and all they've replaced is one front wheel bearing which has made no difference. Vibration under load first identified at 65,000kms and they're still scratching their heads. Now 96,000kms and worse that ever, and I'm still expected to just keep driving it and put up with it.

Crayman I've lost faith in conventional fault finding with these guys - they couldn't even correctly identify what bloody flywheel was fitted to the car, then didn't check the clutch for wear or links to this issue when they unnecessarily replaced the (solid) flywheel anyway, and still can't tell me unequivocally that they've eliminated everything but the clutch in being the cause of the issue in the first place, which would make a $1400 replacement of the clutch seem like a more sensible proposition.

Phil No1 - they still haven't dropped the struts to see what's going on at the top, and as I keep saying to them - "if it's something you can't see, it's something you can't see".

Anyway, I'm off to spend yet another day in my i30 cursing every time I hit a bump or accelerate mildly in 3rd and 4th gear from low revs.

Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Dazzler on February 29, 2016, 21:14:01
 :disapp:
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Lakes on February 29, 2016, 21:56:32
disapointing to read, what condition are the roads you mostly drive on , in?
Also what would you say your driving style is like? Like are you a slow or a more spirited drivers? Do you ease out clutch or drop the clutch? Do you drive it heavy traffic a lot or more rural area?
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: crayman on March 01, 2016, 02:48:40
Any chance you can post a video of the noise, 3rd to 4th power on?
Might have to link via Photo bucket or similar.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: GDTourer on March 01, 2016, 05:45:03
Lakes - I drive throughout South Australia as a sales rep, so it would be best described a mixed driving on a variety of road surfaces and in a variety of traffic conditions. The car takes some pretty big hits on poor quality country roads, which is probably why my shock absorbers feel so worn and useless. As mentioned previously there are very few options for replacement shock absorbers, and despite the fact they are not mentioned ANYWHERE in the warranty exclusions or literature I don't think I would have a hope in hell of them being replaced under warranty. I would consider myself to be very easy on the clutch and gearbox, I've always driven with a lot of mechanical sympathy, and never thrash my cars. This can be partly proven by the fact I return such low economy figures, but also by the fact that my car is still on original pads & rotors at 96,000kms.

crayman - I'll see if I can get a video of the noise for you tonight and post it on here. It sounds like a loose exhaust mount or something similar, but they assure me they've checked everything externally and that it must be the clutch - weak / broken springs or something faulty with the pressure plate. Interestingly, the car shudders loudly on start-up and shutdown. The noise changes slightly depending on whether I shut it down with the clutch in or clutch out (can only start with clutch in), so this would seem to support the fact that there is an issue with the clutch and that this is causing both the noise / vibration under load AND the noise on startup / shut down.

The dealer has ordered two new front calipers for my car (to address the front end clunks) which will take about 2 weeks to arrive. They've done this based on reports from another customer that his car, which was making similar noises, improved once the new caliper was fitted. I'm very dubious about this because they still haven't dropped the struts and eliminated strut tops / bearings as the cause of the clunks. It seems to be like a very wild stab in the dark, and I still have to drive the car around for two weeks and possibly have another caliper fall off or worse because they still haven't fully diagnosed the problem. Not happy.

What I'm most annoyed about, however, is that they expect me to either put up with the noise/vibration under load or risk forking out $1400 for a new clutch and it doesn't fix the problem (or it does and Hyundai say there was nothing wrong with the old clutch). I'm flabbergasted that these are my options - surely the onus is on them to fix the problem at all costs and not my concern if they don't know what the problem is.

I'm pretty sure that if I wrote to Hyundai Australia and pointed out the history of this issue (especially the fact that they already had the gearbox out and could have inspected the clutch then) that they will have no choice but to endeavor to fix the problem at their cost, but honestly I don't have the time or patience and am more likely to just trade it in once the front end is fixed.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Asterix on March 01, 2016, 17:44:06
Have you considered trying another dealer..? Like Doggie's EPS problem where he had to write to Hy Aus because the 1. one couldn't/wouldn't acknowledge the problem..?

Might be time to have a pair of fresh eyes to look at your car..? (Sorry if this allready been tried, too lazy to reread the whole saga)  :P
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: GDTourer on March 01, 2016, 20:41:04
Asterix - agreed totally, and this will be the next step after writing to Hyundai Australia. Until now it has seemed like a rude / inappropriate thing to do, but they have left me with little choice.

Going to see if I can get a video today of the car doing its thing.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Dazzler on March 01, 2016, 22:37:33
If you do try another dealer I would give then a concise but detailed account of problems and actions taken so far and make it a challenge type scenario for then to fix it.

Make them aware that hundreds of members on the i30 owners club worldwide site are following the saga and a successful outcome would be a real feather in their cap!  :cool:

I think Hyundai need to be made aware that Scenarios like this could cost them dearly. An i30 Diesel tourer was on a very short list of cars that I have to replace my Calais. I bought Trish a tourer, as from my observations on here the GD tourer was even more reliable than the GD hatch, but this thread has put the scares into me (and no doubt others) big time.  :Pout:
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: GDTourer on March 02, 2016, 04:16:55
Took a video today but the audio wasn't captured clearly enough to be useful - sorry! I might try again but get a friend to hold the phone on something in the car - that might help pick up the vibration.

Dazzler - that's not a bad idea but I feel that for the time being the right thing to do is to continue to deal with the people who sold me the car. But yes I can see the benefits of the challenge scenario!

I wish I could recommend the GD Tourer to you, I really do! Fuel economy is nothing short of brilliant, the diesel engine is responsive, smooth and refined and produces good power and oodles of torque (there aren't many hills where you need to take it out of 6th gear), and it will tow a fair load comfortably. Gearbox feel and gear spacing is perfect. Road noise is quite good. Ergonomically the car is very comfortable and has a nice "sporty" feel to it. It is also well proportioned externally and looks quite smart in my opinion. The adjustable EPS is a brilliant feature, steering is direct and responsive, ride is firm but reasonably compliant and the handling in general is very good. I can't comment on the multi-pink rear end because I haven't driven a GD Hatch (with the torsion bar rear) before, other than it seems to do its job fine. In general the build quality, particularly in the interior, seems very good and there have been no interior complaints or issues with electronics.

However: The build quality might seem good, but is dependent entirely on the quality of components being used. The rear springs are WAY too soft from factory, and the rear end sags badly with 4 adults and nothing else in the car. Shock absorbers seem to wear quickly and the ride quality / road handling ability in mine has deteriorated significantly from new. And of course things like the noise / vibration under load which it seems now is probably a faulty clutch, failed wheel bearings and yet-te-be-replaced failed brake calipers are problems one just shouldn't experience in a car of this age / kilometres / purchase price. Also my dealer is replacing pads & rotors on cars as new as 30,000kms (hatches and tourers), so keep that in mind if you do a lot of stop-start driving or you're considering an automatic transmission. That said, because of the nature of my work and sensible driving mine have lasted 96,000kms and are still going.

I've decided that financially it is probably best for me to keep the car until at least June so I can pay the loan down a bit more, so I have renewed enthusiasm to push ahead and get it fixed rather than just passing the problems onto someone else. Financial, moral and ethical peace of mind.

I've said to my dealer that if they think it is the clutch, then I want the clutch replaced. Regardless of the outcome (whether it fixes the issue or not, or whether the old clutch is deemed to be faulty or not), I don't think I should have to pay for any of this as the car is under warranty and is agreed to be defective. Before then I will be writing a letter to Hyundai Australia giving them a detailed account of what has happened so far, unless my dealer can give it to me in writing that I will not be charged for the replacement clutch. He said he can't do that until they can see the old clutch. I pointed out they already had the opportunity to do that when they (unnecessarily) had the gearbox / flywheel out, but they were firm on this. Either way, I'm not paying for it!

Let's see how we go!
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: rustynutz on March 02, 2016, 05:38:19
The rear springs are WAY too soft from factory, and the rear end sags badly with 4 adults and nothing else in the car. Shock absorbers seem to wear quickly and the ride quality / road handling ability in mine has deteriorated significantly from new.

The first GD Tourers came with stock European tuned suspension, it wasn't until later on that it was "Australianised", do you know which suspension your Tourer is running?  :undecided:
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: GDTourer on March 02, 2016, 06:18:31
rustynutz - I'm not sure. I was led to believe if they had the multi-link independent rear that they were the Aussie tuned version. That said, mine was purchased not long after they came out so I don't really know - it probably is a very early build though.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Dazzler on March 02, 2016, 09:08:30
Trish's tourer is pretty much identical to yours but was built in April 2014 and has the 1.6 GDi motor. Great little wagon to drive but would be nicer with the Diesel torque (like my first FD had)

Trish's hasn't done 9000 kms yet in nearly 18 months.. Hopefully short trips on reasonable local roads wont wear the rear suspension out too quickly!

Edit: sitting at 9,888 kms!
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: CraigB on March 02, 2016, 09:20:19
The rear springs are WAY too soft from factory, and the rear end sags badly with 4 adults and nothing else in the car. Shock absorbers seem to wear quickly and the ride quality / road handling ability in mine has deteriorated significantly from new.

The first GD Tourers came with stock European tuned suspension, it wasn't until later on that it was "Australianised", do you know which suspension your Tourer is running?  :undecided:
I think even the current Tourer still has the Euro suspension as does my 3dr, the ride is a bit more comfortable with the Euro tuned suspension imo.

I also thought it was only the SR that received a dedicated Australian tune :undecided:
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: rustynutz on March 02, 2016, 13:26:44
rustynutz - I'm not sure. I was led to believe if they had the multi-link independent rear that they were the Aussie tuned version. That said, mine was purchased not long after they came out so I don't really know - it probably is a very early build though.

The rear springs are WAY too soft from factory, and the rear end sags badly with 4 adults and nothing else in the car. Shock absorbers seem to wear quickly and the ride quality / road handling ability in mine has deteriorated significantly from new.

The first GD Tourers came with stock European tuned suspension, it wasn't until later on that it was "Australianised", do you know which suspension your Tourer is running?  :undecided:
I think even the current Tourer still has the Euro suspension as does my 3dr, the ride is a bit more comfortable with the Euro tuned suspension imo.

I also thought it was only the SR that received a dedicated Australian tune :undecided:

If the info from this review is to be believed, it backs up what I said earlier... :undecided:

:link: Hyundai i30 wagon gets retuned Australian suspension for first time (http://www.caradvice.com.au/259078/hyundai-i30-wagon-gets-retuned-australian-suspension-first-time/)
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: CraigB on March 03, 2016, 03:27:13
Thanks for that Rusty, for the limited amount of tourers they bring in I wouldn't have expected a specific aussie tune but it's good to know they did :goodjob:
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: GDTourer on March 20, 2016, 21:26:23
Hi chaps, bit of an update:

I've been driving a Camry hire car for a week and a half now - I wrote a 5 page email to Hyundai Oz and refused to drive my car anymore based on the fact faulty brake calipers = potentially unsafe car. Hyundai Oz agreed, kicked my dealer into action and got me the hire car. They went as far as suggesting I stop driving the car immediately and even wanted to send a tow truck to pick it up!!! I said don't bother - my dealer is less than 2km away, so I just drove it there straight away.

The new clutch has now been fitted, and I was able to test drive my car briefly on Friday. The noise / vibration under load is now completely gone!  :goodjob2: Still waiting for brake calipers to arrive, so I'm still refusing to drive the car until this is done.

So now begins the argument to convince Hyundai Oz that I shouldn't have to pay $1,400 for the new clutch.

Incidentally, I was able to see my old clutch and am pleased to report that the friction plates were barely worn for a car with 97,000km - something which will surely help my case as it proves the car has not been driven hard. The suspected cluprit is the clutch springs - I was lucky enough to have a member on here contact me privately to share his experiences, and this ultimately gave me the confidence and evidence to pursue Hyundai Oz over this issue. His clutch was replaced, under warranty, at 90,000 of kms with the same fault, and soft clutch springs were deemed to be the cause.

There is a broader issue here though - these clutches are CLEARLY not up to the task of dealing with the torque of these engines. In my opinion, Hyndai should be recalling these vehicles to fit a stronger clutch - even my dealer admitted the noise / vibration will probably return eventually.

Whatever though, I just want my car back and don't want to pay $1,400 for this. If they do try to charge me, they are admitting to me that the clutches in these vehicles are only designed to last 65,000km before these noises / vibration begin to occur, and I don't think they have a leg to stand on here.

Will let you know how I go!
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Dazzler on March 20, 2016, 22:04:53
 :ta: for the update. Got fingers, toes and everything else crossed for a good outcome.

Hopefully the DCT "Auto" in the new models will be better...
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: h20melon on March 21, 2016, 10:57:02
Hi GDTourer,

My 2011 FD will be going in on the 11th April to the local dealer for them to find the vibration in my car - same as what you were experiencing.  I had been on the phone to Hyundai head office for well over 2 hours the other day asking lots of questions.  They tell me that in the clutch area the only thing NOT under warranty is the friction plate.   My car has done 88,000kms but this is the second clutch (first being replaced under warranty at 38,000) so really the clutch is only 50,000km old (and not driven hard or anything).

It will be interesting if it is the same problem as you had with the springs.  Am I right with the springs are attached to the friction plate?  Hopefully they will replace under warranty as I'm sure there wont be anything wrong with the friction bit....

I don't really want to go down the path in another 50,000km time to replace it again if it happens (will be doing it myself then though as the car is out of warranty this November).

If they do try and charge, I will be pointing them to this forum.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: GDTourer on March 22, 2016, 06:25:11
Hi h20melon, sorry to hear you've also has issues!

You say your first clutch was replaced at just 38,000kms - was that for the same sort of noise / vibration under load that I've described?

If so, it's just more evidence that the clutches fitted to these vehicles are simply not strong enough to deal with the torque of this engine.

Given the new clutch only lasted you 50,000kms, I would perhaps be suggesting they replace it with a heavy duty version and perhaps you could pay the difference? I don't like your chances (one of the options given to me was to buy a clutch myself and have it fitted privately at my cost) however.

The warranty is very ambigous at best - the exclusions to the warranty "include, but are not limited to" ..."clutch friction plates". I was told that actually the entire clutch unit is not  under warranty after 20,000km, but I can't believe this is the case and what they've told you seems to support this.

The other problem is that someone with the necessary testing equipment has to test the old springs against the rate of the factory springs to determine if they have softened- a complicated task which requires specialist tools.

That said when the new clutch fixes the problem, as it has with my car, one can take an educated guess that the springs are at fault. Hyundai should simply acknowledge that there is an issue with these cars to save the time and resources wasted on diagnosis, and save the time of owners like us going through the hoop to get it fixed.

Recall + Stronger clutches = Happy owners.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: h20melon on March 22, 2016, 06:42:39
My clutch was replaced due to oil getting onto it from a leaky seal, by same symptoms that you have and I now have again.  It would be good to get a heavier duty clutch. Does Hyundai have such an option?

I will be requesting the parts back if they have me pay for the items and work, as after all I still own them.  I might be able to test them if I get hold of a new set at some stage.

In a way, I can't wait till it is the it of warranty as it would only cost me a few hundred dollars to change the clutch myself (and possibly a weekend).

I just can't believe the difference between dealers with the prices they quote.  There is a $300 difference between the cheapest and most expensive clutch change from my ring around.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: GDTourer on March 22, 2016, 09:19:17
Yep - Hyundai OEM Clutch kit $770, Exedy clutch kit $280 last time I checked on fleaBay.

I'd see what your dealer can do for you in conjunction with Hyundai Australia - in my opinion, it's a warranty issue and they should give you a car to drive while they sort it out.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: GDTourer on March 23, 2016, 21:09:30
Hopefully picking up my car today.

Hyundai Australia have agreed to pay for the parts, however I'm still being charged $311 for labour - apparently this has been discounted.

I'm gobsmacked that they didn't offer to pay for everything, particularly given the evidence of other owners and my ongoing tales of woe with this issue. They've had so many opportunities to make this right, and they haven't.

So I'm left having no faith in the quality of the components used to build this car, and no faith in Hyundai or their dealer network to adequately diagnose, assess and rectify faults in their vehicles.

It has guaranteed the following:
1. I will NEVER, EVER buy another Hyundai as long as I live
2. My close friends and family will probably never buy Hyundai
3. Many of my customers will probably never buy Hyundai

I'm tempted to take this further and take this to social media land, but frankly I've lost the energy and motivation - I just want my car back so I can trade it in.

I sincerely wish all of you better luck with your cars, and at a minimum I would recommend you stay away from Diesel Manual i30's due to the piss-weak clutches that are fitted to them. That, or be prepared to fork out for a heavy duty clutch at your own expense. Of course if you don't expect your car to last more than 65,000km before becoming horrible to drive, then ignore everything I've said.

I'm out.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Asterix on March 23, 2016, 21:21:58
Hmm, I'm not sure all clutches fitted to the CRDi i30's are bad.

I just passed 250.000 km in mine and I tow 1400 kg caravan at least 4000 km every year. If it was a general problem we would have heard a lot more about it.

Having said that, I'm sorry to hear about your trouble... :undecided:
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Phil №❶ on March 23, 2016, 21:49:10
Yes, there have been some problems with this vibration issue, however, our Moderator's Asterix and Doggie1 have both done a lot of kms in their Diesel I 30 manuals, without any of the problems you have encountered. Perhaps there was a bad batch of springs and if so it should have been covered by Hy to maintain customer relations.

I agree, that the customer treatment could have been a lot better. It's an area that Hy globally seem to have difficulties with. Considering their sales performance, they should do better.

Remember also that these cars are mass produced and for a competitive price, all in all most people are very happy with their selection of vehicle. There are many much more expensive cars, which have a much worse mechanical reputation.

Sad you have a bad taste about the I30 now. Both our Diesel FD's are performing extremely well. We had an injector problem with the older one which was fully repaired under warranty by Hy, loan car supplied while in garage, too.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: h20melon on March 23, 2016, 21:51:45
Thanks GDTourer

Will be interesting to see what happens with mine.  Maybe there is a bad batch in Australia...


Basically for me, this is really the only issue I have had with the car (twice), and once the warranty runs out in November I will be back doing my own servicing.

I wish I could get a loan car, but as the dealer keeps telling me, because I haven't been getting it serviced with them the answer is no unless I pay for it.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Dazzler on March 23, 2016, 22:47:32
While I fully support GDTourer being frustrated with his car and Hyundai (in the circumstances) I would like to say that most other manufacturers are similar or worse in these circumstances.

I've heard similar tales of woe from Ford, VW and several other brands. I just hope you don't get a lemon from whichever brand you choose next.  :undecided:
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Phil №❶ on March 23, 2016, 23:32:15
Given that your warranty expires in Nov, I would seriously consider getting a HD clutch fitted from an independent,  and tell Hy to forget it. You will spend the money, you may get a better warranty on the replacement or at the very least, a stronger clutch.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Doggie 1 on March 24, 2016, 09:54:48
As others have said, I'm sorry that you have had these issues with your car.
But I have just ticked over 171,000 kms in my GD diesel manual with no clutch issues. 
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: elantraelite on March 24, 2016, 13:15:11
It's unfortunately luck of the draw with cars.

I think you would have been left with a less sour taste if Hyundai dealt with the issue properly.

Shame that a clutch has cuase this much problem.

I sold my X3 98 Manual Excel with 300,000km on the clock... That car was THRASHED, paddock bashed, went through burns outs by revving the car and dumping the clutch, then went on to towing a trailer with it numerous times... Bloody thing NEVER missed a beat.

(All done back in the day when I was on my P's, not proud of it, but the Excel kept going)

Paid 3k for it... It was the best car I ever had!

Checked the VIN with Vic Roads and the damm thing is still going!
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: h20melon on April 09, 2016, 10:16:04
Just been doing some research on this issue on this forum and have summarised this issue:

ChinHo - had the problem and was fixed under warranty (clutch replaced and flywheel replaced)

ttc - fixed under warranty (labour and friction plate)

Constipated - has vibration problem but has not had it fixed yet (flywheel replaced under warranty)

Lorian - fixed under warranty (clutch replaced)

tuchan - had the problem but fixed after warranty

dereknunn - had the problem and fixed under warranty (replaced clutch)

GDTourer - fixed under warranty (replaced clutch)

Hman - fixed under warranty (replaced clutch) - Mentioned that it is a known problem for Tynans

Doggie1 - has vibration problem but has not had it fixed yet

h20melon - has vibration problem - fixed under warranty @38,000kms (claimed to be oil leaking from gearbox onto clutch causing slipping yet no sign of any oil leaking out of the bottom of the housing - clutch replaced and flywheel machined) and re-occurred from 70,000km+



After talking to Hyundai Australia, they have informed me (which also states in the book that comes with the car) that the clutch FRICTION PLATE is the only thing NOT under warranty in that area - all other items (pressure plate, bearing, flywheel) are all warranty items.  So if all these people had their clutch (complete assembly) replaced under warranty I will be requesting the same treatment.


Anyway, let the fun begin this week when my car goes in for the same problem...

Please let me know if any details are incorrect or if I have left anyone off the list :)
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Phil №❶ on April 09, 2016, 12:28:46
 :Agoodpost:

But it does look like a bit of a weakness in the manual drive train area  :fum: :Shocked:
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Dazzler on April 10, 2016, 00:53:08
:Agoodpost:

But it does look like a bit of a weakness in the manual drive train area  :fum: :Shocked:
Spokeen like a true auto owner. :whistler:
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Dazzler on April 10, 2016, 00:57:05
Great summary h2o, we need to sticky this thread maybe. Not sure how to do it on tapatalk

Sent from my SM-T805Y using Tapatalk

Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: dereknunn on April 10, 2016, 03:32:56
Just confirming Hyundai did eventually cover the cost of my clutch under warranty.
There is no doubt in my mind that Hyundai know about the problem. Although I accept it could only be with a certain type or batch of plates I still maintain the reduction in torque from the current diesel motor when coupled to the manual transmission (opposed to the dual clutch transmission) very suspicious.
Importantly, changing these clutch plates under warranty ensures Hyundai get to retain the offending items.
I find the debacle Hyundai subjected me to nothing short of offensive - loan and hire cars for 16+ weeks, initial denial of warranty, endless hours of phone calls and letter writing, unnecessary repairs to my car, months awaiting reimbursement, etc. The financial cost of this to Hyundai would be enormous in comparison to changing a pathetic $100 clutch plate.
This is my second i30 but likely the last Hyundai product I ever buy.
I also own a Landcruiser. My Toyota dealer is 500km nearer than my Hyundai dealer, and in ten years I cannot fault the service provided by Toyota.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: h20melon on April 10, 2016, 04:24:43
Thanks dereknunn. Have updated the list above.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Phil №❶ on April 10, 2016, 05:08:38
:Agoodpost:

But it does look like a bit of a weakness in the manual drive train area  :fum: :Shocked:
Spokeen like a true auto owner. :whistler:

 :snigger:
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Paolo5 on April 11, 2016, 02:46:21
My manual i30 diesel was made in 2010. It has now covered 72,000km with only a faulty battery to blot its perfect reliability record.
The clutch and gear shifting (which is silky-smooth now....about time) in my vehicle feels really solid.

I have to admit that I am a trifle spooked when reading through this thread. It would be fabulous to know if there IS an inherent fault with the drive train and if so...which numbers in the production run are affected.

Have any of the owners had their clutch replaced with a non-Hy clutch? I am thinking of Exedy...which has a fabulous reputation.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: h20melon on April 13, 2016, 08:07:07
UPDATE with my vibration issue:

The car has been in at the local dealer now since Monday morning.  The confirmed that the vibration was coming from the clutch area and Monday afternoon the "Made" me agree to pay $1056 for them to do more "diagnostics" and pull the gearbox out to inspect the clutch.  Later still on Monday they ring me to tell me that if it is the clutch it definitely isn't warranty (as I have been pushing that it is warranty as others have had it fixed through warranty).

Tuesday afternoon they ring me up saying they are still waiting for a response from Hyundai Australia regarding trying to claim the clutch under warranty due to some holes in the clutch housing that cause water to get in that dries up the grease...  (these holes are on every car apparently and apparently there is a campaign regarding them or something according tot he dealer).

Wednesday afternoon get a phone call to come in and talk to them. They have pulled the clutch out and it is definitely bone dry - no grease on the shaft where the friction plate goes onto.  They claim that Hyundai Australia won't come to the party as it is the clutch plate that is not under warranty.  Give me prices to replace the clutch assembly and machine flywheel, which I then say that the flywheel, pressure plate and bearings, etc.. are all warranty items - only the friction plate is not and what is the price to only replace the friction plate - refuses to give me!!!

The dealer believes the high pitched noise I hear on hill starts and the vibration issue are from the one thing - lack of grease.

I then go outside to contact my dad for more advice and Hyundai Australia.  I firstly ask Hyundai if the dealer has contacted them regarding this, and they confirmed the dealer has NOT been in contact with Hyundai!!!  I told them the issue and that there is no wear on the clutch plate itself - all the engraved marks are there including the painted stamp the manufacturer has put on the friction surface.  Also the large springs are tight - cannot move them by hand.  Hyundai will come back to me tomorrow on their decision.

Fingers crossed that Hyundai will cover it.  If they don't then I will be getting only the friction plate changed and if the vibration is still there then it has to be the other parts that are warranty items. 


The dealer has to look at the cruise control too as it seems to be accel, deccel, accel, deccel.... constantly very minute but can feel it.  They keep claiming that it is an aftermarket one, but I bought the car brand new with it in there so it is covered by the 5 year warranty.  Sort of getting pushed around with this one as it didn't come from the factory with it installed, but installed through the local car hi-fi place through the dealer.  Anyway if they have to put a new unit in at their expense then so be it.

We will see what happens tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Dazzler on April 13, 2016, 09:30:59
Wow! Nothing is simple these days. Good luck with everything..
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: crayman on April 13, 2016, 09:49:16
I can't believe all this crap being shovelled out by dealers.
Are they seriously suggesting the splines on the clutch shaft need grease?
And that this grease will solve your problems?
I've only read h20 melon's post 2-back but if she's only making a squeal on big hill starts, my first look would be spigot bearing.
Dry clutches have been around for over 100 years, Hyundai can't install a decent one ???
Something seriously wrong, they'd all come from Denso or a similar mega company.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: eye30 on April 13, 2016, 10:07:12
Hang on....... dealer says hy won't cover...... yet hy say dealer never been in contact.


Have you asked dealer for an explanation as to why hy say not covered if they have not spoken to them!


Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: h20melon on April 13, 2016, 11:48:07
yes someone is lying, and I believe HY more than the dealer.

The dealer says that HY won't cover it as it is the clutch and the clutch plate is out of warranty, etc.. And the holes in the clutch housing is not a "fault" in the design. Usual spiel. With the grease, what I can't work out is if it is just that, then why aren't more people having the problem? Or was it faulty installation 50,000 kms ago when they replaced the clutch back then?

So still unsure what is causing the noise and vibration exactly.  I guess I could be going down the road like what ChinHo had to take regarding refunds due to incorrect diagnosis if they put a new clutch plate in (because I'm not going to pay for machining of the flywheel or a new thrust bearing and pressure plate) and it still has the problem.

As far as I'm concerned, there doesn't seem to be anything wrong with the clutch plate that would be causing these issues, like loose springs.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: ibrokeit on April 14, 2016, 02:24:56
This is not good!  Esp. if the dealer really hasn't talked to Hyundai and it isn't just communications mix up that Hyundai is saying that - however I suspect Hyundai would be tracking such things via. VIN so it would be easy enough for them to see details...

As you said I would believe Hyundai more than the dealer at this point.

I am very suspicious this could be a case of a dealer and/or the service dept. of it - wanting to make money from a customer by chargeable work (at retail/public rates, etc.)... rather than doing warranty work - which, to the best of my knowledge, is often not billed at the same rate and/or when replacement parts (or predetermined work is done) often the service centre will be paid a pre-determined amount by the national company... based on their timing of how long replacing the part should take (not how long it actually does).   Of course being suspicious is one thing - knowing or having proof is another.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: h20melon on April 14, 2016, 06:16:49
Update: Day 4:

I rung HY this morning to see how my case is progressing.  They still had to ring the dealer to find out what's happening.  I rung HY this afternoon to find out as had heard nothing.  Found out the dealer definitely did NOT submit a warranty claim as they thought it wouldn't get approved, but HY said you won't know if you don't submit one.  So should be submitting one now and could find out by the end of the day whether it is approved or not.  So all up, the dealer's representative outright lied to my face!  Not very good PR.


Keep tuned...
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: h20melon on April 15, 2016, 06:39:31
Day 5:

After being on the phone almost all day to HY, their warranty department has refused to cover it as it isn't a fault with the car, but still could not get straight answers from them as to why.

Then asking technical questions to them which the guy on the phone had to keep putting me on hold to go and find the answer from the technical and/or warranty department.

Basically, what I was trying to find out was that if I ONLY replace the friction plate which is the only part in that area NOT covered by the 5 year warranty will HY cover the other parts if, once back together, problems occur.  Their answer was that because it was the friction plate that caused the problem, then the parts around it aren't covered.  I still don't understand this one as from what I can see there is nothing wrong with the friction plate - it was just lack of grease according to the "experts".

Anyway, I have now accepted to pay $1710.30 for a genuine clutch replacement and will take it up with HY at another stage.  I did get confirmation though that if when I drive away or in the near future the vibration or the hill start noise is still there then I'm entitled to compensation for faulty diagnosis (in fact I wouldn't be surprised that the hill start noise will still be there as it could be the spigot bearing).

Anyway, will know next Friday when they say the car will be ready. 

In hindsight I could have waited another 7 months until it's out of warranty it it would have only cost me the cost of a new clutch.

I have told them that all parts from the car including oil is MINE and I will be keeping them all to make my case.  Maybe I would have been better to buy an auto at the beginning as I will have now paid the price difference!  Anyway the new clutch comes with a 12 month warranty, so if I can do 30-40,000kms in that time (which I'm currently doing) and the problem re-occurs then it's covered.  Will I go back to them based on the treatment I've been given - probably not.

Rant over.  Will let you know of the outcome when I get the car.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Phil №❶ on April 15, 2016, 10:40:04
I feel so sorry for you, arguing with HO about warranty items is very bad practice IMO. No one wins  :disapp:
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Paolo5 on April 15, 2016, 11:23:17
I am really disappointed with Hyundai's lack of support in this situation.
The way that I read it, if your new clutch stuffs up in say, 6 months.... due to 'lack of grease' again, Hyundai's warranty means nothing (again).

Poor form, Hyundai...
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Dazzler on April 15, 2016, 11:39:36
What they said... :fum:
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: h20melon on April 22, 2016, 03:09:46
So they have had the car for another week. Rung them to find out they haven't done a thing!  Then says that they need to email through the quote for me to approve before they do the work!!!!  I could have dropped in anytime in the last week to sign.

Receive quote and it is $130.40 MORE expensive than the original quote.  Waiting to hear back from them with the correct price.   

I will definitely be contacting the Department of Fair Trading about their conduct and the way they have treated me - being lied to and trying to get more money out of me than what they originally quote.

Definitely would not go back to them ever again!  This is Shellharbour City Motors by the way.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Dazzler on April 22, 2016, 03:16:54
I feel your wallets pain.. :fum:
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Phil №❶ on April 22, 2016, 03:28:12
Absolutely disgusting. :disapp:
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Paolo5 on April 22, 2016, 04:45:07

I will definitely be contacting the Department of Fair Trading about their conduct and the way they have treated me - being lied to and trying to get more money out of me than what they originally quote.

Definitely would not go back to them ever again!  This is Shellharbour City Motors by the way.

You have been treated abysmally...sorry to hear about it. I am stunned that Hyundai did not help you.

The Department of Fair Trading is SUCH a token organisation. They don't look for right or wrong. They aim for the parties concerned to reach an agreement during the arbitration meeting that is scheduled if you cannot compromise with the other party independently.

If the other party is a shonk....and it sounds like SCM could be put into that category, you would ultimately rely on them at an arbitration meeting to concede that they have been less-than-honorable and agree to compensate you financially in some way. Don't expect someone from the Department of Fair Trading to arbitrate in your favour. Their aim is to remain neutral. They don't care about right or wrong, just want you out of the place ASAP and keep pointing out the court costs that you would face if you can't come to an agreement during the arbitration meeting.

FWIW...I would take my car (towed if necessary)...to someone with a good reputation and have them do the job.

I would also make sure that I gave a royal salute (accompanied by a wet raspberry) to the person with whom you have been dealing at SCM on the way out!!
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: h20melon on April 22, 2016, 05:17:16
This is their response:

"That did not include the initial diagnostic charge of $150 that you agreed to.
Total would come to 1710.30+150 = 1860.30 so it’s actually $20 cheaper than what it should be.
$1840.70 is your current final price.

All going well.
Again, further work may be needed once this repair has been carried out."

My response:

"Go ahead with the work for $1840.70, however I did ask on Friday whether the $1710.30 price was all up and you said yes it was!
If this does not fix the problem then I will be seeking compensation and taking the issue to Fair Trading!"

Their response:

"There is no guarantee that this will fix the issues you are having with your car.
Are you happy to proceed for $1840.70.
Simple yes or no answer please."


So they are still uncertain that it is the clutch/grease that is the problem. 

I wish it was that simple with taking the car elsewhere - only problem is that it is up on a hoist with no gearbox.  I will be up for $1300 in labour already if I didn't go ahead with the work and them just put the clutch back in.  Did some calculations on it if I were to take it home and fix the problem myself: $1300 already to pay + $400 new clutch assembly + $60 oil = $1760, so really rather than just wasting my money on their labour they might as well put a new clutch in.

Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Paolo5 on April 22, 2016, 05:46:04
Does the $1300 that you currently owe only cover the removal of the gearbox and clutch?
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: h20melon on April 22, 2016, 07:17:04
$1300 remove and to put it back together.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Paolo5 on April 22, 2016, 07:39:48
This is just my 2c worth:-



Your car can still be towed without the gearbox fitted.
Your bill for removal of the gearbox would presumably be half of the $1300.  They (SCM) have been utter rissoles from what you have said. I wouldn't give them a cent more than I had to.

You could pay the balance of the $1300 to someone else who (hopefully) won't stuff you around like these people have..

The worst case scenario is if you have to go back to these people for a claim.

Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: h20melon on April 27, 2016, 12:21:30
Well, I have my car back and so far no vibration or squeal.  Time will tell.

I was told another lie today: One of the jobs they had to do was to adjust the boot as one side is 2-3mm different to the other side.  Well, they told me they fixed it.  I didn't get to inspect it when getting the car, but get home and look at it - nothing has changed!

They also said that adjustments like that are not covered by warrant but fixed anyway, yet before I took the car in HY said that it is covered. 

I might as well do the job myself so that I know it will get done.  Only thing is the nuts are above the head lining, which requires removing the side trim to gain access.  No real problem I guess.

When I get a chance on Friday I will be putting a formal complaint into them, HY and Fair Trading. Also will be inspecting the old parts and trying to put a claim in to HY.

In all, the advantage of an auto is that there is no grey area of what is not covered and what is when it comes to warranty with them (not like the clutch in a manual).

Oh, and they couldn't find a problem with the cruise control either, yet driving on the freeway from them (on the same road they tested on) I had the problem straight away!
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: constipated on May 02, 2016, 21:37:32
Well my car is almost out of warranty and I'm not sure whether to get worried reading this thread.

As many of you are aware I did kick up a fuss about this vibration issue in 3rd gear from low revs about 9 months ago. They did pull apart the clutch, and diagnosed it as an out of balance flywheel and replaced only that. It did not change the problem at all. They admit that.

They then said my clutch was partly worn and would I like to pay for that. Now I've never needed a clutch replaced due to wearing out in any of my cars and didn't think at 65,000km that this was the issue so I declined. I think obviously a new clutch would have solved the problem even without it being a friction plate issue.

I read with trepidation about the hassle everyone has to get this fixed under warranty.

I main issue is that the vibration is minor. I can definitely bring it on but that means changing into 3rd early and giving it a good amount of throttle. Otherwise I can drive around it at present. I suspect Doggie1 has the same issue in his GD but like me drives around it and it doesn't bother him.

The only other thing I've noticed is a bit of a clunk on gear changes as I start pressing the accelerator (not with the actual change in gear) again particularly if it is at low revs. It's like a play or looseness in the drivetrain.

Could this be the loose springs in clutch as mentioned earlier in this thread?

My question is with 1 month length of warranty should I kick up a fuss, or live with it. My only worry is things getting worse. I also suspect with the previous report of partially worn clutch they'll say that's the culprit and ie won't cover under warranty.

What should I do?
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Dazzler on May 02, 2016, 23:53:51
Hi Con,

I think I would just live with it. I think you would just be causing yourself a lot of stress without getting any positive result.

P.S. Please don't try and sue me if it all goes pear shaped (I'm not a qualified mechanic!) :undecided:
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Phil №❶ on May 03, 2016, 01:10:38
Personally, if I could live with it, I would, but I'm not like that. However, I wouldn't bother going through all the hassle of dealing with HY and the arguments and disruption. I would pay for a new clutch NOT OEM and have that fitted when it becomes too noticeable to ignore. There are better brands out there. Yes it will cost you, but it should not fail for a long time after.

Either the above, or sell the car.  :undecided:
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Paolo5 on May 03, 2016, 08:09:11
Personally, if I could live with it, I would, but I'm not like that. However, I wouldn't bother going through all the hassle of dealing with HY and the arguments and disruption. I would pay for a new clutch NOT OEM and have that fitted when it becomes too noticeable to ignore. There are better brands out there. Yes it will cost you, but it should not fail for a long time after.

Either the above, or sell the car.  :undecided:

I couldn't agree more with what Phil has said! And I also could not live with the fault.

It would be fabulous to get to the bottom of these diesel transmission vibration issues.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: h20melon on May 03, 2016, 09:26:36
@constipated it's a big decision.  And they won't be able to confirm what the problem is until they take hours to pull apart the car.

Out of interest with mine: it also had a click/clunk on occasions, eg: in 1st driving up to a speed hump and releasing accelerator to go over it would click.

Now with inspecting the clutch all the springs are solid - not loose.  There are 2 solid cylinders inside 2 opposite springs, while the other 2 springs have a smaller spring inside.  I will try post a video during the coming weekend.

So really, I'm not totally sure what was causing the vibration in the end - was it the clutch friction plate or the flywheel out of balance (which has now been machined)?  This is what has confused me when they pulled the clutch out as it didn't have the signs of what others have had.

I could try and spin the clutch plate up to 2,000 rpm and see if I can see anything happening.

In the end, it would have been good if they could have said from the start that it is the clutch and it definitely isn't covered by warranty, as I would have just said thanks and be on my way (and replace it myself).

In a way, there's something to say about autos - there is no grey area in regards to warranty with the engine and gearbox.
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: Phil №❶ on May 03, 2016, 11:29:57
With autos especially the old 4 speed there have been arguments with Hy about the valve replacement, but generally they replace under warranty. Autos do cost a lot more to fix when they go wrong. :'(
Title: Re: 2010 i30 Diesel Transmission Vibration
Post by: h20melon on May 07, 2016, 10:59:58
Two videos of my clutch:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nv8g24NAiIE (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nv8g24NAiIE)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jHCVv1V40-c (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jHCVv1V40-c)

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