My bad luck continues

Asterix · **Reply #60: August 02, 2016, 06:49:24**

Advice needed, please.

Went to talk to the dealer yesterday. He had taken contact to where he got the used head and they are investigating how to proceed. I'm ok with that.

However, the owner of the dealer told me; we can't be sure it's the head or gasket that's the faulty part. Now this is where I get a little

To that sounds like he's trying to avoid the warranty repair and looking for a reason to bill me the work.

Please advice: There is exhaust gasses in the cooling reservoir, which means there's a leak from the combustion chamber to the cooling. If not somewhere in the head or in the head gasket, where else....? If it would be in the block how would that suddenly show just because the head have been replaced..?

My POV: When I parked my car at the dealer the only defect was that I couldn't remove the glow plugs.

I might take the problems before they are real, but I really don't like the approach on this from the owner..

Phil №❶ · **Reply #61: August 02, 2016, 09:05:51**

If there was a leak in any other place than the head, wouldn't there be evidence of water in the oil

Asterix · **Reply #62: August 02, 2016, 09:19:15**

Quote from: Phil №❶ on August 02, 2016, 09:05:51

If there was a leak in any other place than the head, wouldn't there be evidence of water in the oil

I think it would have evaporated since I was towing the van and engine was warm. We only did very few short trips.

But, if there was water leaking into the oil the water wouldn't be let out of the reservoir because of too high pressure...

Phil №❶ · **Reply #63: August 02, 2016, 09:46:54**

I'd still check as if it's been left for a few days, you may see separation or discolouration on the dip stick and the level could indicate high

Asterix · **Reply #64: August 02, 2016, 10:04:59**

Quote from: Phil №❶ on August 02, 2016, 09:46:54

I'd still check as if it's been left for a few days, you may see separation or discolouration on the dip stick and the level could indicate high

I'll mention it for the dealer. The car have been grounded in their workshop the last week while they were closed for vacation...

Phil №❶ · **Reply #65: August 02, 2016, 10:10:18**

Better if you saw for yourself

sundiz · **Reply #66: August 02, 2016, 18:16:22**

The issues started after the "fix". They have done a bad job or used faulty parts in the job = they pay.

Dazzler · **Reply #67: August 02, 2016, 22:01:09**

What sundiz said!

Asterix · **Reply #68: August 08, 2016, 13:53:15**

Hey

Would any of you guy's know if the EGR is water cooled on the 1,6 CRDi...?

Had a chat with the workshop that did the pressure test on the head. They test the cooling side with up to 5 bar, and the complete head is warmed up to 70 ºC (for some strange reason, they're not allowed to heat it further).

The Gonz · **Reply #69: August 08, 2016, 13:57:07**

That is strange. Let's see whether @cruiserfied will pop in soon and help out.

sundiz · **Reply #70: August 08, 2016, 16:31:08**

Egr is cooled. The cooler is on the right side of the engine when looking under the hood. You can see the pics from this topic:

1.6crdi (2008) DIY servicing: Coolant, EGR, cleaning, brake & clutch fluid etc.

sundiz · **Reply #71: August 08, 2016, 16:40:49**

The lower part is the cooler part. Top one is the actual egr valve.

Asterix · **Reply #72: August 08, 2016, 17:39:12**

Thanks Sundiz...

Looking at the pictures it doesn't look like the fault could be a sealing/gasket mounted wrong as the coolant only enters through the 2 pipes...

It would be more than just a coincidence if the EGR cooler developed an internal leak in the process of removing and assembling the cylinder head.

sundiz · **Reply #73: August 08, 2016, 18:05:23**

Yes. There is only input and output for the coolant hoses. Only seals are between egr-cooler-intake manifold. That line is only for hot gasses. If the cooler leaked, it would have to be broken inside.

I don't know if the car goes to limp mode or not if you block the egr. If the engine would work normally with blocked egr (probably check engine light will come on), you could block the egr between the exhaust manifold and egr and do a small test drive. If exhaust still goes to coolant, then problem would not be the egr cooler as there are no exhaust gasses flowing in the egr pipes.

Asterix · **Reply #74: August 08, 2016, 18:22:27**

Well, as the car is at the dealer I can't make the test, but I've sent your picture to them so they don't have to dismantle anything to find out anyway...

sundiz · **Reply #75: August 08, 2016, 19:41:22**

Taking the egr out was not the easiest job to do. Everything is packed so tight that I had to separate to cooler from the actual valve before I was able to wiggle them out from the engine bay. Too many parts in too small space. Hope my pics will save hour or two of their time.

cruiserfied · **Reply #76: August 09, 2016, 09:03:14**

Mate, everythings kinda pointing to a cracked head.

The Gonz · **Reply #77: August 09, 2016, 10:14:02**

Asterix · **Reply #78: August 09, 2016, 17:41:26**

Quote from: cruiserfied on August 09, 2016, 09:03:14

Mate, everythings kinda pointing to a cracked head.

That's been my assumption from beginning, just trying to rule out every other option as I feel the workshop and/or wrecker isn't doing anything at all. My car have now been at the dealer for 2,5 weeks and nothing has happened yet....

Dazzler · **Reply #79: August 09, 2016, 23:30:56**

Just Rick · **Reply #80: August 10, 2016, 08:28:35**

What cruiserfield said,why the hell didn't they get the secondhand head x-rayed and tested first,if it is the head(or new gasket,supplied when dealer has done the swapout)as far as I can see,dealer should pay for the refit and the wrecker supplies the replacement head with assured testing already done,JMO

Doggie 1 · **Reply #81: August 10, 2016, 09:32:51**

Quote from: Just Rick on August 10, 2016, 08:28:35

What cruiserfield said,why the hell didn't they get the secondhand head x-rayed and tested first,if it is the head(or new gasket,supplied when dealer has done the swapout)as far as I can see,dealer should pay for the refit and the wrecker supplies the replacement head with assured testing already done,JMO

Common sense.

cruiserfied · **Reply #82: August 10, 2016, 17:10:44**

Quote from: Asterix on August 09, 2016, 17:41:26

Quote from: cruiserfied on August 09, 2016, 09:03:14
Mate, everythings kinda pointing to a cracked head.

That's been my assumption from beginning, just trying to rule out every other option as I feel the workshop and/or wrecker isn't doing anything at all. My car have now been at the dealer for 2,5 weeks and nothing has happened yet....

Thats bullshit. You should have already had the car back fixed and all after 2.5 weeks.

Asterix · **Reply #83: August 10, 2016, 17:53:01**

To be fair, the first week the workshop was closed for vacation, but that still leaves 1,5 week where they could have repaired the car...

cruiserfied · **Reply #84: August 11, 2016, 08:55:22**

Fair call.
Still 1.5 weeks with next to no work carried out.

Dazzler · **Reply #85: August 11, 2016, 12:16:42**

Quote from: cruiserfied on August 11, 2016, 08:55:22

Fair call.
Still 1.5 weeks with next to no work carried out.

They are probably doing a lot of head scratching...

The Gonz · **Reply #86: August 11, 2016, 13:20:28**

Dazzler · **Reply #87: August 12, 2016, 05:33:11**

Asterix · **Reply #88: August 12, 2016, 13:48:14**

Well, talked to my workshop yesterday and let them know I'm not happy with nothing going on.

Talked with them again today.

They have finally agreed with the wrecker that supplied the head, that my workshop can do the work. They will remove the head on Monday and then they apparently send the head to a workshop for pressure testing again (not same place that did the first test.) They will send the head gasket as well, but I couldn't get any answer about how they will test it.

I asked what they will do if they again can't measure any leaks, but he didn't know what the wrecker's plan is... the saga continues....

Dazzler · **Reply #89: August 13, 2016, 00:15:11**