[Nick777]

Hi All
I have just had a cylinder head problem with my I30 1.6 CRDI, ended up buying an engine from Kia Ceed( SAME Engine number D4FB), its now fitted but refuses to start, is this an ECU problem? has anyone had a similar experience??

[tw2005]

Hi All
I have just had a cylinder head problem with my I30 1.6 CRDI, ended up buying an engine from Kia Ceed( SAME Engine number D4FB), its now fitted but refuses to start, is this an ECU problem? has anyone had a similar experience??

G'day Nick

Mate can you repost in a suitable topic like diesel whether it be servicing or problems and issues.

Then I'd like more info like the exact ceed or even if the vin is known of the donor.
Even some good clear images of both engines.

A year model of the i30 would also be beneficial.

You probably did not read this note under say Hi.

"Please don't post your queries or problems in this board."

may be able to work out the differences, at a guess it could be with the fuel rail setup

[Dazzler]

@Nick777

The topic has been moved, so no need to start another. However, if you can supply as much of the info and photos as Gerard has requested it will certainly help us to possibly diagnose and advise on your issue. 

[Paolo39]

Hi All
I have just had a cylinder head problem with my I30 1.6 CRDI, ended up buying an engine from Kia Ceed( SAME Engine number D4FB), its now fitted but refuses to start, is this an ECU problem? has anyone had a similar experience??

Are you sure that the cylinder head, or only cylinder head was the original problem?

Suspecting ECU maps to be different on this models, but not necessary.

Do you have any codes in ECU? Or it just does not start?

If no codes present, I would check fuel rail pressure and see that there is an issue (maybe injectors need replacing - back leak test). Also could be blocked fuel filter or blocked fuel filter in the tank sender unit. The worst case scenario is high pressure fuel pump.

[tw2005]

Hi All
I have just had a cylinder head problem with my I30 1.6 CRDI, ended up buying an engine from Kia Ceed( SAME Engine number D4FB), its now fitted but refuses to start, is this an ECU problem? has anyone had a similar experience??

Are you sure that the cylinder head, or only cylinder head was the original problem?

Suspecting ECU maps to be different on this models, but not necessary.

Do you have any codes in ECU? Or it just does not start?

If no codes present, I would check fuel rail pressure and see that there is an issue (maybe injectors need replacing - back leak test). Also could be blocked fuel filter or blocked fuel filter in the tank sender unit. The worst case scenario is high pressure fuel pump.

If this dude can't reply after I replied to him within 6 minutes of posting I suspect he's not coming back .

anyway, I've had a quick peek at the Kia setup and I highly suspect this is similar to those that go out and get any old i30 D4FB before checking production dates as the very early models had a pressure regulator on the the rail which was deleted later.

Already had 2 over here jump on the forum with no start  for that. Would also mean harness and ECU differences as well.

Would have been nice to see what it was ,    on this one for no response.

[Dazzler]

@Nick777

Any feedback on this please? Keep us posted thanks. 

[Nick777]

Hi thanks for that, just waiting for a guy to look for any fault codes but he went on holiday for ten days after fitting engine and it is locked in his garage! very frustrating. If it is the Fuel regulator, how would I overcome this?
Cheers

[Dazzler]

Hi thanks for that, just waiting for a guy to look for any fault codes but he went on holiday for ten days after fitting engine and it is locked in his garage! very frustrating. If it is the Fuel regulator, how would I overcome this?
Cheers

Thanks for the reply. I thought there may be a reason. 

[tw2005]

Hi thanks for that, just waiting for a guy to look for any fault codes but he went on holiday for ten days after fitting engine and it is locked in his garage! very frustrating. If it is the Fuel regulator, how would I overcome this?
Cheers

Won't know Until we figure out the differences but in theory It may mean transferring the fuel rail. Of course I am guessing at this point. You should know the year of your car and maybe the invoice has details of the donor vehicle. Over here wreckers must produce an invoice which gives details like the VIN,, and often mileage etc.
If you have at least some info like that I may be in a better position.

Oh, welcome back 

[nzenigma]

Hi thanks for that, just waiting for a guy to look for any fault codes but he went on holiday for ten days after fitting engine and it is locked in his garage! very frustrating. If it is the Fuel regulator, how would I overcome this?
Cheers

Won't know Until we figure out the differences but in theory It may mean transferring the fuel rail. Of course I am guessing at this point. You should know the year of your car and maybe the invoice has details of the donor vehicle. Over here wreckers must produce an invoice which gives details like the VIN,, and often mileage etc.
If you have at least some info like that I may be in a better position.

Oh, welcome back 

 changing only the rail wont do it. need Pump also.
Like you, I base swap notion on our experience. Assume Kia Ceed is going to be late model.
How difficult is it for an owner to find the year of manufacture of his car in Britain?

[AlanHo]

How difficult is it for an owner to find the year of manufacture of his car in Britain?

Not difficult if you have the VIN number - KIA and Hyundai customer services - or perhaps a main dealer can look it up.

I understand that the 10th digit of the VIN No gives the model year. Not sure how you find the month

8 = 2008
9 = 2009
A = 2010
B = 2011
c = 2012
D = 2013
E = 2014
F = 2015
G = 2016
H = 2017
I = Not used to avoid clash with 1
J = 2018
K =2019

[tw2005]

Hi thanks for that, just waiting for a guy to look for any fault codes but he went on holiday for ten days after fitting engine and it is locked in his garage! very frustrating. If it is the Fuel regulator, how would I overcome this?
Cheers

Won't know Until we figure out the differences but in theory It may mean transferring the fuel rail. Of course I am guessing at this point. You should know the year of your car and maybe the invoice has details of the donor vehicle. Over here wreckers must produce an invoice which gives details like the VIN,, and often mileage etc.
If you have at least some info like that I may be in a better position.

Oh, welcome back 

 changing only the rail wont do it. need Pump also.
Like you, I base swap notion on our experience. Assume Kia Ceed is going to be late model.
How difficult is it for an owner to find the year of manufacture of his car in Britain?

Oh, who's this?

someone been cranking the handle



Suppose you'd bin busy on a holiday or something 

[tw2005]

Hi thanks for that, just waiting for a guy to look for any fault codes but he went on holiday for ten days after fitting engine and it is locked in his garage! very frustrating. If it is the Fuel regulator, how would I overcome this?
Cheers

Won't know Until we figure out the differences but in theory It may mean transferring the fuel rail. Of course I am guessing at this point. You should know the year of your car and maybe the invoice has details of the donor vehicle. Over here wreckers must produce an invoice which gives details like the VIN,, and often mileage etc.
If you have at least some info like that I may be in a better position.

Oh, welcome back 

 changing only the rail wont do it. need Pump also.
Like you, I base swap notion on our experience. Assume Kia Ceed is going to be late model.
How difficult is it for an owner to find the year of manufacture of his car in Britain?

Oh, now tell me more about the pump deficiency(please, sir, can you tell me more) part numbers do change, I'm just trying to spot the difference between my Tractor and the rest of the Ippy fleet in the cold of darkness.

331002A420



331002A410

[tw2005]

There are some part number differences. Measuring unit is one.

Late model



Early models (pre 07 Aug 08)





Early parts list

DESIGNATION   CODE   POSITION   QUANTITY
F 01M 101 241   ECCENTRIC SHAFT   F01M101241   2   1
F 01M 101 621   FLANGE   F01M101621   3   1
F 01M 100 869   CYLINDER HEAD   F01M100869   5   3
F 01M 100 684   TORX FILLISTER SCREW   F01M100684   18   12
1 460 508 310   PROTECTION SLEEVE   1460508310   19   1
F 01M 100 602   PROTECTIVE CAP   F01M100602   21   2
F 00R 0P0 407   PROTECTIVE CAP   F00R0P0407   22   1
F 01M 100 262   FITTING   F01M100262   27   1
F 00R 0P1 718   CHEESE HEAD SCREW   F00R0P1718   28   6
F 01M 100 262   FITTING   F01M100262   29   1
1 410 508 010   PROTECTIVE CAP   1410508010   30   1
F 00R 0P0 004   GASKET   F00R0P0004   41   1
F 01M 100 047   FITTING   F01M100047   42   1
F 01M 100 114   O-RING   F01M100114   50   1
F 01M 100 049   O-RING   F01M100049   55   3
F 00N 200 798   OVERFLOW VALVE   F00N200798   72   1
F 01M 101 537   SEAL RING   F01M101537   77   3
2 912 718 152   TORX FILLISTER SCREW   2912718152   78   3
F 01M 101 785   STRAINER   F01M101785   81   1
0 440 020 087   GEAR PUMP   0440020087   85   1
2 912 778 902   TORX OVAL-HEAD SCREW   2912778902   86   4
F 01M 100 180   SEALING PLUG   F01M100180   89   1
F 01M 100 055   FLAT GASKET RING   F01M100055   91   1
F 00N 202 094   PROTECTIVE CAP   F00N202094   122   1
0 928 400 652   MEASURING UNIT   0928400652   800   1
F 01M 101 988   PUMP HOUSING   F01M101988   804   1

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
late

ORDER NUMBER   DESIGNATION   CODE   POSITION   QUANTITY
F 01M 101 241   ECCENTRIC SHAFT   F01M101241   2   1
F 01M 101 621   FLANGE   F01M101621   3   1
F 01M 100 869   CYLINDER HEAD   F01M100869   5   3
F 01M 100 684   TORX FILLISTER SCREW   F01M100684   18   12
F 01M 101 994   PROTECTIVE CAP   F01M101994   19   1
F 01M 100 602   PROTECTIVE CAP   F01M100602   21   1
F 01M 101 993   PROTECTIVE CAP   F01M101993   22   1
F 01M 100 262   FITTING   F01M100262   27   1
F 00R 0P1 718   CHEESE HEAD SCREW   F00R0P1718   28   6
F 01M 100 262   FITTING   F01M100262   29   1
F 00R 0P0 004   GASKET   F00R0P0004   41   1
F 01M 100 627   FITTING   F01M100627   42   1
F 01M 100 114   O-RING   F01M100114   50   1
F 01M 100 049   O-RING   F01M100049   55   3
F 01M 100 602   PROTECTIVE CAP   F01M100602   64   1
F 00N 200 798   OVERFLOW VALVE   F00N200798   72   1
F 01M 100 599   SEAL RING  --> FD004   F01M100599   77   3
F 01M 101 537   SEAL RING,  FD004->   F01M101537   77   3
2 912 718 152   TORX FILLISTER SCREW   2912718152   78   3
F 01M 101 785   STRAINER   F01M101785   81   1
0 440 020 087   GEAR PUMP   0440020087   85   1
2 912 778 902   TORX OVAL-HEAD SCREW   2912778902   86   4
F 01M 100 180   SEALING PLUG   F01M100180   89   1
F 01M 100 055   FLAT GASKET RING   F01M100055   91   1
F 01M 101 995   PROTECTIVE CAP   F01M101995   122   1
0 928 400 750   MEASURING UNIT   0928400750   800   1
F 01M 101 990   PUMP HOUSING   F01M101990   804   1

[tw2005]

I did not get a very good angle with the old one.






Pumps on the Ce'ed
331002A400
331002A410
331002A420

From Feb 2009 they had the last pump and was also when the fuel rail had the other regulator deleted.

[nzenigma]

Have a look at 'c' they are physically different re position,  probably termed '"measuring unit".

The diagrams look like U2 and pre U2. 

My guessed logic is that C is replaced by the pressure sensor on the 2007-8 rail.

PS. Still on extended , leave just didn't want to see you disappearing down that rabbit hole.

[tw2005]

Have a look at 'c' they are physically different re position,  probably termed '"measuring unit".

The diagrams look like U2 and pre U2. 

My guessed logic is that C is replaced by the pressure sensor on the 2007-8 rail.

PS. Still on extended , leave just didn't want to see you disappearing down that rabbit hole.

I'm not seeing that. One exploded diagram has one rotated slightly but when you look at my photos, looks the same position.

[nzenigma]

Have a look at 'c' they are physically different re position,  probably termed '"measuring unit".

The diagrams look like U2 and pre U2. 

My guessed logic is that C is replaced by the pressure sensor on the 2007-8 rail.

PS. Still on extended , leave just didn't want to see you disappearing down that rabbit hole.

I'm not seeing that. One exploded diagram has one rotated slightly but when you look at my photos, looks the same position.

Have worked on the U2. Unlike the early version with alloy manifold, its near impossible ( or impossible) to remove sensor without  pulling plastic inlet manifold off.

Im working upon assumption re the earliest 2007-8 version.

[tw2005]

Have a look at 'c' they are physically different re position,  probably termed '"measuring unit".

The diagrams look like U2 and pre U2. 

My guessed logic is that C is replaced by the pressure sensor on the 2007-8 rail.

PS. Still on extended , leave just didn't want to see you disappearing down that rabbit hole.

I'm not seeing that. One exploded diagram has one rotated slightly but when you look at my photos, looks the same position.

Have worked on the U2. Unlike the early version with alloy manifold, its near impossible ( or impossible) to remove sensor without  pulling plastic inlet manifold off.

Im working upon assumption re the earliest 2007-8 version.

That would be GD obviously for the plastic

[tw2005]

I'll just throw this link up for 2 examples. Very disappointing not to hear back from @Dilbert  in Victoria as he was taking it to a workshop for assistance.

i30 1.6 CRDi FB AU engine (2010) into a 2008 i30

[nzenigma]

I'll just throw this link up for 2 examples. Very disappointing not to hear back from @Dilbert  in Victoria as he was taking it to a workshop for assistance.

i30 1.6 CRDi FB AU engine (2010) into a 2008 i30

Impatience Tut Tut, his last post was only a year ago. Dazz  says members need time to see the results of their expert's work.

 

[tw2005]

I'll just throw this link up for 2 examples. Very disappointing not to hear back from @Dilbert  in Victoria as he was taking it to a workshop for assistance.

i30 1.6 CRDi FB AU engine (2010) into a 2008 i30

Impatience Tut Tut, his last post was only a year ago. Dazz  says members need time to see the results of their expert's work.

 

sent PM in hope

[Dazzler]

I'll just throw this link up for 2 examples. Very disappointing not to hear back from @Dilbert  in Victoria as he was taking it to a workshop for assistance.

i30 1.6 CRDi FB AU engine (2010) into a 2008 i30

Impatience Tut Tut, his last post was only a year ago. Dazz  says members need time to see the results of their expert's work.

 

I think a fortnight is fair enough.. but 12 months. Maybe not!