[Shambles]

Yep - straight swap. Total job around 6 minutes.

[constipated]

Hate to state the obvious but LED seems dimmer to me.

[Shambles]

Yup. That's the reason I said this:

Not too impressed, though I'll see what they're like when it gets darker...

The LEDs aren't spraying any light on the reflectors, so I'm thinking of moving them to the front, where the current bulb is engulfed by the reflector.

[AlanHo]

The original looks brighter to me too. Pity - I was expecting more

[eye30]

Be worth a look when dark plus can you do from a distance and see how they perform.

[AlanHo]

Waiting until dusk is perhaps academic because the flashers are equally important by day. In my case I do far more driving by day anyway. Present evidence is that the standard bulbs are more visible by day which kinda knocks those LED's into the long grass for me.


Thanks for the experiment though - sorry it was not more beneficial.

[Shambles]

Daytime driving is more important to me, too.

So I have reinstated the originals, but as a test I installed one in the front - it's even worse 

VID 20140510 164553 - YouTube

Bulb removal is even easier than the rear, as the twist-and-turn bulb holder contains the contacts.

Can you guess which side has the LED installed?

[asathorny]

Bloody nora, I had to run that half a dozen times before I saw that there was a flasher in the vid....   Not at all impressed.

Thank you Steve for doing the research, I will now scrap any notions I may have been carrying of using LED conversions.

 

[Shambles]

Yup. I've abandoned my research, seeing no suitable units on the old ebay or elsewhere that would throw light backwards at the reflectors.

No matter.

Anyone wanna buy a pair of...   never mind

[Mike SX]

I had considered it - (I really like the DRL's, sorry Rusty).
Glad you've saved me time & more expense 

[AlanHo]

Even chip tuning lights seems to have no benefit............

[Dazzler]

Waiting until dusk is perhaps academic because the flashers are equally important by day. In my case I do far more driving by day anyway. Present evidence is that the standard bulbs are more visible by day which kinda knocks those LED's into the long grass for me.

Thanks for the experiment though - sorry it was not more beneficial.

  and

Bloody nora, I had to run that half a dozen times before I saw that there was a flasher in the vid....   Not at all impressed.

Thank you Steve for doing the research, I will now scrap any notions I may have been carrying of using LED conversions.

 

 

  That's a bugger, but sometimes you just have to try these things!

[Phil №❶]

Not bright enough Steve, I'd return them.

Unfortunately, there could be insurance implications if the lights are proven to be dimmer than the originals.

As much as I like their design, I haven't bought any because the total lux output is never quoted in the eBay ad. They need to be tested in a reflector environment and rated +/- the original lamp, in the same reflector using a light meter, I'm sure Alan's got one. 

[The Gonz]

Even with enough lux, the location of the SMD LEDs is critical. It needs to mimic the location of the original filament, which by (reflector) design must be at the focus of the reflector. Not saying that these fail this test but that a quick check for reflector-critical applications is to compare the difference in height / protrusion when fitted.

[Dazzler]

We just got back from some 'light' shopping duties and bought a replacement Edison screw bulb for our son's 240V desk lamp. I opted for an LED variant which consumes 4W and looks just like Shambles's picture, albeit with a little extra base for the rectfication.

I guess it's sort of irrelevant in this situation, but I dislike the look of these globes which have the LED elements exposed.

Our local discount store had some household LED globes at around $8 the other day but they had the elements exposed (ugly)   

For as little as $10 or $11 each I have been buying the frosted ones from Bunnings as they have the cool white/daylight whereas Woolworths mainly carries the warm white which definitely don't appear as bright as the equivalent wattage daylight globe.

So maybe a frosted LED globe might work better in a car situation as well? Did you like how I brought that back on topic? 

[Phil №❶]

I simply can't see as well with cool white, it seems very harsh but not penetrating.

[AlanHo]

As much as I like their design, I haven't bought any because the total lux output is never quoted in the eBay ad. They need to be tested in a reflector environment and rated +/- the original lamp, in the same reflector using a light meter, I'm sure Alan's got one. 

I did have a light meter until our house move last June. When I cleared the attic of the old house I found a stack of old photography stuff including my first "proper" camera - an Agfa Silette, an enlarger, processing tanks, film cassettes, film winder, developing trays, safe lights, an old Bolex projector etc - also a Weston Light Meter complete with incident light attachment. It was all disposed of via a car boot sale, Ebay and a waste skip.

[The Gonz]

Dazz, you are the Yoda of relevance. 

Phil, when I replaced the halogen globe in my desklamp with my homemade 'rectifier ring' of eight cannibalised keyring white LEDs, I noticed the harshness. I suspect most white LEDs go furthr into the UV band than the incandescents.

[Phil №❶]

I actually used to prefer the white, but having bought one and swapprd the warm led for the white, it just didn't stack up. It was in an outside sensor light, couldn't see very far at all, so I relaced it with the warm led type.

UV  , no wonder I've got cataracts.

[rustynutz]

I like the warm white LED's....especially around the house. They replicate a normal globe's light and just seem, well, more homely.... 

[The Gonz]

Whilst I agree on the warmth benefit, I can't help recalling when older people would insist on printing out their newfangled emails because they just couldn't read them on screen.

[rustynutz]

Now that's a different story, Gonz...

If I want to read I'd much rather a bright "white" light....

[Shambles]

... a quick check for reflector-critical applications is to compare the difference in height / protrusion when fitted.

Indeed. My further research, which did not come to fruition, centred around finding a LED structure that sat closer to the pins (ie, a shorter body) while having most of its SMDs targeted at (or directed towards) the reflector.

[Phil №❶]

If you're interested in what works,

these, not automotive, though. 

Ecofire 5W Dimmable E14 Mini Screw LED Candle Globe Bulb Clear Warm White | eBay

[Shambles]

* shambles puts his Hati hat on...

[Dazzler]

* shambles puts his Hati hat on...

I've just ordered 14 of these (makes us almost 100% LED)    I got the last 14 cool white!

(only 4 outside sensor lights left now with 28 watt halogens)

3W B15 SBC Small Bayonet 10 SMD LED Candle Bulb Pure Warm White Energy Save Lamp | eBay

[plasticphyte]

This is a great read, as is the first comment.
http://www.allledlighting.com/author.asp?section_id=3048&doc_id=559753&page_number=1

[CraigB]

The LEDs aren't spraying any light on the reflectors, so I'm thinking of moving them to the front, where the current bulb is engulfed by the reflector.

The indicator reflectors don't seem to be designed for use with LED's - probably why the Korean OEM taillights also don't use LED indicators either.

I know these one's pictured aren't your model but the functionality is all the same.

[Shambles]

^--- spookily enough, the Premium UK GD i30 has LED rear light clusters

[CraigB]

Is that also for the indicators or just park and brake only are LED like the picture I posted?