Post by: Digby Jones on December 02, 2017, 02:49:23
I recently bought a Hyundai I30 2010 Trophy, ( Petrol 2.0lt, 5spd manual ) about 4 weeks ago. It has 90,000km on the clock.
I have noticed the oil light staying on after startup, and sometimes it goes out quickly, other times it takes a long while 30+ seconds. Once it didn't go off for over 60+ seconds. On the way to work the other day, I was stopped at a set of traffic lights and the oil light was flickering on/off, but went off completely when I revved the engine. I was concerned, but thought it may be an oil sensor ( I have checked the oil level and it was fine ).
I took it to my mechanic for a full service ( oil changed ), also to change the timing belt/water pump. I specifically mentioned my oil light issues and to check it out.
After all the work was done, he stated the car was in good condition, the oil was still golden before he changed it. So he didn't think it was the oil pickup, he changed the sensor and took if for a test drive. No oil light has come on. He mentioned if the engine was starved of oil it would be knocking and I would notice pretty quick.
I have had it back for a day and a bit, I haven't seen the oil light come back on when idling on traffic lights. However, on startup it can still take a some time to go off. The engine does sound different when running just after startup, but no knocking, so I am still concerned. If I leave it parked for 15minutes or so, then come back in and start it up, the oil light goes out straight away. If I leave the car sitting for 1-2 or more hours, the engine light can take some time to go out. So I don't think the issue is fixed.
Just to note, the temperature gauge does not climb, it stays just under half way, I have not seen it above this on long drives. ( as temp can climb for poor oil circulation ). I bought this privately, so no warranty.
Does anyone know what could cause this issue, or is it known in FD I30's?
Post by: Dazzler on December 02, 2017, 04:28:39
Post by: sundiz on December 02, 2017, 06:36:19
What kind of oil are you using?
Post by: Digby Jones on December 02, 2017, 08:28:29
Post by: Digby Jones on December 02, 2017, 08:33:52
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Post by: CraigB on December 02, 2017, 08:46:01
The OBD scanner maybe a good idea. I was going to put an oil pressure gauge on it, but you can get bluetooth scanners that transmit to a phone app. Did not know they existed. I will have to make sure they are compatible with my carBluetooth ones are pretty average at best but maybe all you require :undecided: personally I'd go with cable type models though they're more expensive https://www.toolmart.com.au/sp-sp61150.html (https://www.toolmart.com.au/sp-sp61150.html)
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Post by: eye30 on December 02, 2017, 10:34:44
Post by: Aye30 on December 02, 2017, 10:38:11
Post by: tw2005 on December 02, 2017, 21:10:10
At Op Temp expected values, Engine oil pressure at 1500 RPM
[Oil temperature is 90 to 110°C 194 to 230°F)]
245KPa (2.5kg/cm², 35.5psi)
AYE30 could be right in suggesting oil pump. There was one for sale recently in QLD with an oil light issue which they had changed out the oil and still persisted.
Resultant pump failure and engine damage so if it can happen to 1 petrol FD certainly could happen to others.
The other thing I'm wondering is are there any blocked galleries.
I have the diesel but regardless across the board and oil light lit should only be momentary at startup and never seen again. The only time mine stays on a bit longer is after and oil and filter change and only because the filter is empty.
And guess where the pump lives, at the front end of the crank so to work on it the timing belt would need to be removed(as well as the sump)
So I just did a quick Ebay search based on the Oil Pump assembly number 2131023002 and up came all these kits. Can't say I've ever seen an oil pump as part of the timing belt kits, water pumps and bearings yes I have. Note it's Gates belt with korean aftermarket parts added it would appear.
Pump Only Genuine from Koraps $80 USD plus freight
Does this mean these are known to have pump issues? maybe
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Post by: tw2005 on December 02, 2017, 21:13:51
The OBD scanner maybe a good idea. I was going to put an oil pressure gauge on it, but you can get bluetooth scanners that transmit to a phone app. Did not know they existed. I will have to make sure they are compatible with my carBluetooth ones are pretty average at best but maybe all you require :undecided: personally I'd go with cable type models though they're more expensive http://www.toolmart.com.au/sp-sp61150.html (http://www.toolmart.com.au/sp-sp61150.html)
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The grossly overpriced one I got from Jaycar worked ok on the 2010 CW and on my 2008 hatch it caused serious dramas and malfunctions with the computer. affected the transmission(auto) operation, so back it felt it was going to break something
Post by: Dazzler on December 02, 2017, 21:15:34
Post by: Digby Jones on December 02, 2017, 23:18:13
Post by: Digby Jones on December 02, 2017, 23:26:41
It doesn't happen all the time. It might be best to just get the oil pump changed.
Post by: tw2005 on December 03, 2017, 00:00:09
Thanks for the help. I will keep an eye on it. It doesn't happen all the time which is annoying, but the mechanic should have put a pressure gauge on it. Even if he did it might have been alright when he measured it.
It doesn't happen all the time. It might be best to just get the oil pump changed.
Without real data it's guesswork. If pressures are normal then you'd look at the sender, if the sender has been replaced and the pressures are normal then that becomes interesting. There is a relief valve built into the pump. If that was sticking that could cause pressure issues too I suspect.
I don't think i'd do the pump unless I had some data first.
Excessive bearing clearances would cause oil pressure loss but I think if it was that bad you'd know there'd be some bad noises. Never had the pleasure of that so can't comment first hand.
I have mixed up some main bearing caps resulted in bearings being chewed out and oil light coming on back in 1984 on a 3K Toyota engine.
Post by: The Gonz on December 03, 2017, 00:22:35
back in 1984 on a 3K Toyota engine.
Post by: tw2005 on December 03, 2017, 00:31:03
If only I was that young then, I'd be in better condition today.back in 1984 on a 3K Toyota engine.
:judges:
Post by: Dazzler on December 03, 2017, 00:51:17
back in 1984 on a 3K Toyota engine.
Love it!
Post by: mickd on December 03, 2017, 08:31:43
Thanks for the help. I will keep an eye on it. It doesn't happen all the time which is annoying, but the mechanic should have put a pressure gauge on it. Even if he did it might have been alright when he measured it.
It doesn't happen all the time. It might be best to just get the oil pump changed.
Hi, if you decide to go ahead with pump change, change the pick up as well.
Had a mitsu L300 4wd that would bring oil light on if revved over 2000 rpm when cold.
Fine under that when cold, fine when hot.
Mechanic used compressed air and water and dishwash liquid looking for leaks.
Post by: CraigB on December 03, 2017, 10:16:54
Post by: The Gonz on December 03, 2017, 10:33:47
The answer is not a Lancer.
Post by: CraigB on December 03, 2017, 10:56:28
The RAAF had a Lancer as one of our runabouts last time I was posted to Adelaide. I was struck by how boring it was, especially when I thought it had an attractive front end. The drive put me off.Yeah I'm not overly fussed with the look of them, the interiors are quite boring too.
The answer is not a Lancer.
The 2ltr engines in them go like the clappers though :Drive:
Post by: tw2005 on December 03, 2017, 12:58:22
The RAAF had a Lancer as one of our runabouts last time I was posted to Adelaide. I was struck by how boring it was, especially when I thought it had an attractive front end. The drive put me off.
The answer is not a Lancer.
Not everything that has an attractive front end is exciting. Sometimes you have to live with it for the rest of your life. :Pout:
Post by: Dazzler on December 03, 2017, 21:40:30
The RAAF had a Lancer as one of our runabouts last time I was posted to Adelaide. I was struck by how boring it was, especially when I thought it had an attractive front end. The drive put me off.
The answer is not a Lancer.
Not everything that has an attractive front end is exciting. Sometimes you have to live with it for the rest of your life. :Pout:
Yeah, I found that out when I had my mid life crisis. :disapp:
Post by: The Gonz on December 04, 2017, 02:14:55
I don't know, call me psychic. :lol: