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MODIFYING OR DETAILING YOUR I30 => ELECTRICAL | ELECTRONIC | AUDIO => Topic started by: Purplehazeffc on June 10, 2018, 06:41:01

Title: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Purplehazeffc on June 10, 2018, 06:41:01
Well here we go..    I guess time has come to start the Stereo install
Looking over the car. it doesn't look like it is going to be a lot of fun..
The main problem I have ATM, Is finding a way from the battery ti the interior to run the "0" gauge power cable.
Looking from either the engine bay or under the dash, there is not a great deal of room, or a grommet to use.

I think everything else look straight forward. The doors will need a mount made up to mount the speakers to them.
Getting the source speaker cables should also be easy to find. Running cables from the front to rear & rear back to front
is quite easy as well. The side panels come off so simple. So on that part it will be pretty easy..
Getting the power from the battery to the rear hatch floor.  Not so easy..

Anyway..   Yesterday & this morning I mounted the amps under the rear floor shelf. I made up the MDF board a couple of weeks ago.
As you can see in the pics. I have mounded it on hinges. So there will be easy access to the spare wheel.
I will also be putting in straps with a hook type clip. So it can then be clipped onto the ISOFIX mounts on the back of the rear seats.
So then you won't have to hold up the amp shelf while trying to get out the spare wheel. If needed. Prefer not to need the spare wheel  :rofl:

Taking out the rear seats is also so easy. Just one bolt & the backrests can just pop out. The bolt is in between where the seat splits, when laid down.
Then lift the smaller side slightly up & then push away from the door side. It will pop off a pin. Then  just do the same from the other side.
The bottom rear seat is then held in by to bolts at the rear. Then there are 2 clips where you just pull up at the front & it pops out.
There is then plenty of room to mount  the Power Distribution Block that goes from 0 gauge to dual 4 gauge.  Also good bolt locations to get a good ground.

So all in all it looks to be a pretty simple install to do. If you have done stereo installs before.  Except for the main power cable. Will work on that..

Here are a couple of pics so far of the MDF shelving & amp & electronic locations..  The blocks that the hinges are mounted to will be painted black.
Plus a few other clean up stuff to do.. Also what to change over the bolts & screws to black. And to clean up under the board a bit better.

But in doing all of this.  And now having the car for just over a month now.   I'm quite underwhelmed by the performance of the factory stereo.
The way the system works is very good. The screen quality is also very good. But the difference in volume is not good.
DAB radio volume is a lot lower than FM, Big difference between music from USB compared to Bluetooth & also if using Android Auto.

So This is going to be more of a long term project.  Back to work tomorrow for 12hrs of absolute fun. So won't be able to do much for the next week or so.


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Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Dazzler on June 10, 2018, 09:10:33
 :goodjob: If you squint a bit that looks like a Ferrari engine  :snigger:
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Crustycottage on June 10, 2018, 12:06:20
Hi Purplehazeffc
I ran my amplifier power cable from battery into front passenger wheel arch (removed wheel and plastic arch, removed the foam insulation between front wing and door hinges and fed cable through an unused hole just above the passenger foot well interior cover.
This is not easy and generally needs 2 people one to feed cable especially when you add a grommet to the hole. I used stiff thin wire initially and this made it touch easier.
Unfortunately my power cable runs down alongside the main loom under the door trims along with speaker cables. I have tried to keep them apart & dont have any interference    :happydance:

agree with your comments about factory stereo being underwhelming  :fum:
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Purplehazeffc on June 10, 2018, 14:02:23
:goodjob: If you squint a bit that looks like a Ferrari engine  :snigger:

Damn, I wish it had the power of a Ferrari engine  :rofl:

Hi Purplehazeffc
I ran my amplifier power cable from battery into front passenger wheel arch (removed wheel and plastic arch, removed the foam insulation between front wing and door hinges and fed cable through an unused hole just above the passenger foot well interior cover.
This is not easy and generally needs 2 people one to feed cable especially when you add a grommet to the hole. I used stiff thin wire initially and this made it touch easier.
Unfortunately my power cable runs down alongside the main loom under the door trims along with speaker cables. I have tried to keep them apart & dont have any interference    :happydance:

agree with your comments about factory stereo being underwhelming  :fum:
Cheers..  :goodjob2: :goodjob: 
Next time I'm off work I'll have a look at that.  Is the hole big enough to fit 0 gauge cable??
I'm more looking at sending the speaker cables either down the drivers side (preferred) or down the middle of the car.

The system works really well. But the difference in volumes between sources is pretty bad.
Of course the stock speakers would not be that good. Hopefully with my Morel Tempo Ultras will bring some excitement back
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Crustycottage on June 11, 2018, 00:51:40
Next time I'm off work I'll have a look at that.  Is the hole big enough to fit 0 gauge cable??
I'm more looking at sending the speaker cables either down the drivers side (preferred) or down the middle of the car.

The system works really well. But the difference in volumes between sources is pretty bad.
Of course the stock speakers would not be that good. Hopefully with my Morel Tempo Ultras will bring some excitement back

yes the hole is big enough probably about ø20mm. As u say though down the middle of the car will be best just alot of work removing seats & carpets.
 i used cheaper Morel Maximus 602 in front. I acquired from ebay some secondhand Focal elite KX2 crossovers so trying to work out how the best place to install them so will remove the cheaper integrated capacitors off the the Morels
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: CraigB on June 11, 2018, 07:40:59
i used cheaper Morel Maximus 602 in front.
Maximus and Maximo are essentially the same speaker as the Tempo, Tempo uses a different magnet/driver that requires an amp but fidelity is the same.
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Purplehazeffc on June 11, 2018, 14:40:46
Next time I'm off work I'll have a look at that.  Is the hole big enough to fit 0 gauge cable??
I'm more looking at sending the speaker cables either down the drivers side (preferred) or down the middle of the car.

The system works really well. But the difference in volumes between sources is pretty bad.
Of course the stock speakers would not be that good. Hopefully with my Morel Tempo Ultras will bring some excitement back

yes the hole is big enough probably about ø20mm. As u say though down the middle of the car will be best just alot of work removing seats & carpets.
 i used cheaper Morel Maximus 602 in front. I acquired from ebay some secondhand Focal elite KX2 crossovers so trying to work out how the best place to install them so will remove the cheaper integrated capacitors off the the Morels

I don't mind removing seats at all.  The rear ones come out suprisingly easy. The fronts should be as well. I don't think I will remove the carpets though.
Just run the cables under the centre console. Which should come out pretty easy as well.  Then a small hole in the carpet under the console to run cables.
Thats how I done it in my last car & it worked quite well.. I also got my Morels from eBay on a 20% discount eBay offer.
I have already used the crossovers from the Morels in my old car. As I had to replace the electronic crossover.
I had ScanSpeak Discovery woofers & Polk Audio tweeters before.  So hopefully the Morels will sound just as good.
100w per driver should liven them up a bit..

Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Crustycottage on June 18, 2018, 13:07:19
Quote from: Crustycottage on June 10, 2018, 19:51:40
Quote from: Purplehazeffc on June 10, 2018, 09:02:23
Next time I'm off work I'll have a look at that.  Is the hole big enough to fit 0 gauge cable??
I'm more looking at sending the speaker cables either down the drivers side (preferred) or down the middle of the car.

The system works really well. But the difference in volumes between sources is pretty bad.
Of course the stock speakers would not be that good. Hopefully with my Morel Tempo Ultras will bring some excitement back

yes the hole is big enough probably about ø20mm. As u say though down the middle of the car will be best just alot of work removing seats & carpets.
 i used cheaper Morel Maximus 602 in front. I acquired from ebay some secondhand Focal elite KX2 crossovers so trying to work out how the best place to install them so will remove the cheaper integrated capacitors off the the Morels

I don't mind removing seats at all.  The rear ones come out suprisingly easy. The fronts should be as well. I don't think I will remove the carpets though.
Just run the cables under the centre console. Which should come out pretty easy as well.  Then a small hole in the carpet under the console to run cables.
Thats how I done it in my last car & it worked quite well.. I also got my Morels from eBay on a 20% discount eBay offer.
I have already used the crossovers from the Morels in my old car. As I had to replace the electronic crossover.
I had ScanSpeak Discovery woofers & Polk Audio tweeters before.  So hopefully the Morels will sound just as good.
100w per driver should liven them up a bit..

This youtube US Elantra GT video of amp install may be helpful for you. Still not had time to install my front Focal Elite K2 Power crossover yet. 
 :link: 2018 Hyundai Elantra GT Sport Amp install - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys0BnxGhmEM)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys0BnxGhmEM
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Purplehazeffc on June 18, 2018, 17:18:26
Cheers..    Looks ok. But not a very clean looking install to me..
I haven't done anything else to mine.  With either work & the past week my back playing up.
Crawling around a car running cables is not my idea of fun with a bad back..
Hopefully next week I can get back into it again..
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Dazzler on June 18, 2018, 17:25:54
Cheers..    Looks ok. But not a very clean looking install to me..
I haven't done anything else to mine.  With either work & the past week my back playing up.
Crawling around a car running cables is not my idea of fun with a bad back..
Hopefully next week I can get back into it again..

Quite Punny!  :snigger:

But not funny for you!  :Pout:
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: CraigB on June 18, 2018, 17:41:54
The guy in that vid obviously hasn't heard of wireless sub remotes if he's willing to bolt that ugly controller under the steering column :rolleyes: and he's pinched the rubbers on both side around the rear hatch when putting the trim back on :head_butt:
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Crustycottage on June 19, 2018, 01:00:46
It was probably a good example of what not to do. at least they didn't lose any boot space  :rofl:

yep Purplehazeffc crawling around the car with a sore back is not ideal. hope it gets better soon  :eek:
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Cookie Thumper on June 19, 2018, 09:40:01
The guy in that vid obviously hasn't heard of wireless sub remotes if he's willing to bolt that ugly controller under the steering column :rolleyes:

How can one of these be added ?

I have an Alpine PDX-M12 amp for my subs and purchased the optional Alpine bass controlled which is wired, would love it to be wireless.

 :link: PDX-M12 - Alpine Electronics of Australia (https://www.alpine.com.au/shop/amplifiers/pdx-m12/)

 :link: RUX-KNOB - Alpine Electronics of Australia (https://www.alpine.com.au/shop/processors-accessories/amplifiers-accessories/rux-knob-remote-bass-controller/)

Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: CraigB on June 19, 2018, 10:00:42
The guy in that vid obviously hasn't heard of wireless sub remotes if he's willing to bolt that ugly controller under the steering column :rolleyes:

How can one of these be added ?

I have an Alpine PDX-M12 amp for my subs and purchased the optional Alpine bass controlled which is wired, would love it to be wireless.

 :link: PDX-M12 - Alpine Electronics of Australia (https://www.alpine.com.au/shop/amplifiers/pdx-m12/)

 :link: RUX-KNOB - Alpine Electronics of Australia (https://www.alpine.com.au/shop/processors-accessories/amplifiers-accessories/rux-knob-remote-bass-controller/)
You would have to have an amp with built in remote wireless/Bluetooth or a head unit with built in volume/gain control and wireless remote.
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: CraigB on June 19, 2018, 10:20:49
If you're handy with electronics there are also some self build options  :link: Aiyima VFD Screen Remote Control Digital Volume Control Board HiFi Preamplifier 4 Way Audio Sswitching Power Amplifier AC12V-in Amplifier from Consumer (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/AC12V-VFD-vacuum-screen-remote-control-digital-volume-control-board-fever-HiFi-Preamplifier-4way-audio-switching/32815879859.html?spm=2114.search0302.3.194.2bc46fe3J1AZir&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0),searchweb201602_0_10130_10152_10151_10618_10132_10131_10133_10059_10696_10084_100031_10083_10547_10624_10546_10623_10307_10548_10341_10065_10340_10068_10343_10342_10103_10620_10344_10325_10622_10621,searchweb201603_0,ppcSwitch_0&algo_pvid=f1cc8a51-0260-4d74-a84b-a11cfc5fffb3&algo_expid=f1cc8a51-0260-4d74-a84b-a11cfc5fffb3-24
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Cookie Thumper on June 19, 2018, 11:31:20
The guy in that vid obviously hasn't heard of wireless sub remotes if he's willing to bolt that ugly controller under the steering column :rolleyes:

How can one of these be added ?

I have an Alpine PDX-M12 amp for my subs and purchased the optional Alpine bass controlled which is wired, would love it to be wireless.

 :link: PDX-M12 - Alpine Electronics of Australia (https://www.alpine.com.au/shop/amplifiers/pdx-m12/)

 :link: RUX-KNOB - Alpine Electronics of Australia (https://www.alpine.com.au/shop/processors-accessories/amplifiers-accessories/rux-knob-remote-bass-controller/)
You would have to have an amp with built in remote wireless/Bluetooth or a head unit with built in volume/gain control and wireless remote.

Bugger, not gunna sell this to buy another so cable'd it is !!
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: CraigB on June 19, 2018, 11:46:49
Bugger, not gunna sell this to buy another so cable'd it is !!
There's nothing wrong with the cabled type, tried and proven :) just thought controller placement was ugly, most I've seen are placed at the front under drivers seat and if left with no option but to install where he did I would have looked at wireless.
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Purplehazeffc on June 27, 2018, 11:17:51
Ok..   I think it is time to make a start.  All the equipment here & just sitting in the spare room.
Tuesday afternoon is when I started. And that was with running the "0" gauge power cable from the battery to the boot.
Which all up was always going to be the hardest part..  Taking the left front wheel off & then the plastic inner wheel arch.
Plenty of room back there to move around. But getting from there into the cabin, not so easy..  There are a couple of small grommet holes.
But nothing that would allow getting "0" gauge cable through. So I ended up drilling a hole that goes into a small cavity.
A plastic protection that came with the cable kit into the hole & push through the power cable. Then some black silastic around the cable.
Then to find a spot for the 200 amp fuse holder that will also be easy to get to. I mounted it to the front of the battery holder.
Which made an easy run to the battery.  That was the end of the 1st afternoon. All up that was around 4 hours work..

This afternoon involved running the power cable from the front footwell to the back. & clipping all the panels back into place.
Remove both the halves of the rear seats, which is just 3 bolts for the whole lot.  Find the best spot for the ground cable to go.
Sand all the paint off, so there is a contact & re bolt down nice & tight..  Cut to length the "4" gauge amp power & ground cable.
Find a place for both distribution blocks. ATM I have only used double sided tape to hold them down. As the rear seat pressure should hold them still.
Connect everything up & I think it looks pretty good, given the amount of room back there.. Everything should be well secured..
Again this was around 4 hours work. And didn't get time to run power & ground to the electronic crossover. Though I did run the rca's to the amps.

I'm pretty sure that this will be my last big install of any car stereo equipment..   I'm starting to get to old for this shit LOL   :rofl:

Next is onto running the speaker cable from the amp & installing the speakers in the front doors..
And getting the signal from the headunit to the rca converter.   But that will be after my next round of going to work..
Just a some photos of the work so far..

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Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Dazzler on June 27, 2018, 11:28:17
 :cool!: :ta:
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Crustycottage on June 27, 2018, 15:48:53
after seeing the size of your whopper "O" gauge I feel mine is inadequate ......my power cable I'm talking about  :rofl:
it is neat install.
i cut into the green orange cable connectors behind the footwell panels on both sides and then ran high level feeds (speaker cables) into the Audiocontrol LC7i Line Out Converter in the boot along scuff door trims. front door pillar is easy to pull off (4 clips) with trim tool after removing door seal

Good luck
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Purplehazeffc on June 28, 2018, 01:27:54
after seeing the size of your whopper "O" gauge I feel mine is inadequate ......my power cable I'm talking about  :rofl:
it is neat install.
i cut into the green orange cable connectors behind the footwell panels on both sides and then ran high level feeds (speaker cables) into the Audiocontrol LC7i Line Out Converter in the boot along scuff door trims. front door pillar is easy to pull off (4 clips) with trim tool after removing door seal

Good luck

Cheers..   I haven't been in a great rush to get this done. So I don't mind taking a bit of extra time making sure it is as neat as possible.
While feeding the power cable through, I kept saying to myself that I wish I would have used "2" gauge cable instead. Would have been a lot easier.
But now that it is done. I'm happy that I did go with the "0" gauge.  As I may end up changing the sub amp to something better one day.

I did look at the AudioControl LC7i or the AudioControl LC2i.   But went with the Rockford Fosgate RF-HLC instead.
I will see how that goes & sounds. As according to AudioControl there maybe lost bass coming out of the factory head unit.

Hopefully on my next round of days off. I can get started on the speaker install. I'm sure they would be better in the car, rather than sitting in the spare room..
Though still deciding on if to mount the tweeters in the factory location or to custom mount them somewhere else.. Factory location would be more stealth though.

Did you end up taking any photos of your install??  How you have your equipment mounted in the boot??

Regards
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Crustycottage on June 28, 2018, 05:44:19
Hopefully on my next round of days off. I can get started on the speaker install. I'm sure they would be better in the car, rather than sitting in the spare room..
Though still deciding on if to mount the tweeters in the factory location or to custom mount them somewhere else.. Factory location would be more stealth though.

Did you end up taking any photos of your install??  How you have your equipment mounted in the boot??

I have it all roughly installed a Bunnings 9mm MDF shelf in the boot sub floor, with 2 amps, LC7i & added 2 focal crossovers over the weekend with additional speakers cables to front Morel tweeter. Unfortunately I didn't take any photos yet as was under massive time limit from missus.
i am still thinking of buying a set of triangular door trim mirror covers next to A pillar and mounting my tweeters in there so as to direct the signal more accurately towards the sweet spot. As you say the OEM tweeters are in stealth like position, but are a real pain in the but to remove the dash covers even with trim tools & small angled screw driver. 
My upgraded tweeters & OEM ones are angled to bounce of the front windscreen through the dash mat.

I will take some happy snaps when have free time
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Purplehazeffc on June 28, 2018, 05:54:37
Hopefully on my next round of days off. I can get started on the speaker install. I'm sure they would be better in the car, rather than sitting in the spare room..
Though still deciding on if to mount the tweeters in the factory location or to custom mount them somewhere else.. Factory location would be more stealth though.

Did you end up taking any photos of your install??  How you have your equipment mounted in the boot??

i am still thinking of buying a set of triangular door trim mirror covers next to A pillar and mounting my tweeters in there so as to direct the signal more accurately towards the sweet spot. As you say the OEM tweeters are in stealth like position, but are a real pain in the but to remove the dash covers even with trim tools & small angled screw driver. 


I had a look today under the door trim covers. There is not a great deal of room there to fit tweeters. Thanks to the power mirror plugs.
Which is a pity, as I had them mounted there on my previous car..  I didn't have to much of a drama getting the oem tweeter covers off.
Though the oem tweeters are a bit smaller than the Morels are..  I originally didn't want them there, as they will be muffled by the dash mat.

Finished of the power run this morning. Power to the electronic crossover & the trigger wire to the amps.
I also made the ground cable a bit shorter as well..  Rear seat goes in good as well. no binding that I can see of any cables..

Though I must say. Taking the front wheel off yesterday to gain access..  They are a damn heavy wheel..
Maybe a good upgrade would be a lighter 18" rim & keep the factory tyres..


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Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Dazzler on June 28, 2018, 05:59:49
Impressive effort! I am a DYI guy, but wouldn't be game to tackle that!  :eek:
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Purplehazeffc on July 01, 2018, 08:26:47
Impressive effort! I am a DYI guy, but wouldn't be game to tackle that!  :eek:

Trust me I'm no professional at anything like this either..
I have installed a few stereo's over the years. But in newer cars it's not as easy.
But it's something that when it is completed will be well worth it. And look no different from stock.
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Crustycottage on July 08, 2018, 04:38:49
Here are a couple of pics so far of the MDF shelving & amp & electronic locations..  The blocks that the hinges are mounted to will be painted black.
Plus a few other clean up stuff to do.. Also what to change over the bolts & screws to black. And to clean up under the board a bit better.

Hi Purplehazeffc
I been working way too much to make any further progress with my stereo, plus England doing well in World cup has distracted me.....

where did you get the wrap from for your MDF shelf? i want to do the same with my bland board but maybe faux carbon fibre lookie likey   :whistler:
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: ricleo on July 09, 2018, 03:55:49
great install so far! have been looking and learning in the shadows haha.....

just wondering why not do some sound proofing to the boot and under the seats as well since you have pulled apart the car so much, and also under the wheel arches.

I only replaced my speakers so far and not done anything else, but found that doing up sound proofing improved the sound quality by quite a good amount.
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Purplehazeffc on July 10, 2018, 16:08:59
Here are a couple of pics so far of the MDF shelving & amp & electronic locations..  The blocks that the hinges are mounted to will be painted black.
Plus a few other clean up stuff to do.. Also what to change over the bolts & screws to black. And to clean up under the board a bit better.

Hi Purplehazeffc
I been working way too much to make any further progress with my stereo, plus England doing well in World cup has distracted me.....

where did you get the wrap from for your MDF shelf? i want to do the same with my bland board but maybe faux carbon fibre lookie likey   :whistler:

I got that from K-Mart of all places. $2 a roll & was 2 rolls that covered the whole lot.
I did think about going with all black vinyl first.  But I think it blends in nice with the silver amps. Which one was black. So I painted silver to match the HiFonics amp.

great install so far! have been looking and learning in the shadows haha.....

just wondering why not do some sound proofing to the boot and under the seats as well since you have pulled apart the car so much, and also under the wheel arches.

I only replaced my speakers so far and not done anything else, but found that doing up sound proofing improved the sound quality by quite a good amount.

Thank you for following & for the compliment.   I only just got some sound deadening panels on Tuesday. Same as Dynamat. But heaps cheaper.  :link: Premium Car Audio Sound Deadener Sound Proofing Noise Control 1.95sq/m DELIVERED | eBay (https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Premium-Car-Audio-Sound-Deadener-Sound-Proofing-Noise-Control-1-95sq-m-DELIVERED/172144017122?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649)
So the the whole of the rear will be done. And I should have some left over to do some on the front doors as well. Just not sure how much yet.

On my last shift rotation day off. I had the Inlaws staying with me. So I didn't get any chance to do anything else.
Hopefully (Fingers crossed) It should be all done by the end on this month (July)  As I have a total of 9 days off before then.
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Crustycottage on August 08, 2018, 12:04:51
Some photos of PD stereo installation at last. Wiring into boot still still needs a bit of tidying up.
I have replaced the Morel Maximus 602 components in the front with Focal K2 Power 165 KR with new MDF spacers. I was really hacked off with bodge job that Alberts did on the car for $750 so did it myself.
And even when most issues resolved the Morels to me were still missing that x factor. still have Morel components in rear doors whcih may be changed at later date for Focals. Now the system is making me smile a lot
 
check plate from Bunnings (Vinyl wrap on MDF)  :whistler:
(https://preview.ibb.co/grJSmK/IMG_4348.jpg) (https://ibb.co/g7jNLe)

(https://image.ibb.co/k1C1fe/IMG_4350.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hBSpYz)

(https://image.ibb.co/i8mSLe/IMG_4351.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bZFMfe)

Front Driver door new 25mm MDF spacer & Focal K2 Power 165 KR woofer. Existing plastic door screw holes reused
(https://image.ibb.co/e5Le0e/IMG_4330.jpg) (https://ibb.co/g146fe)

(https://preview.ibb.co/dOtMDz/IMG_4331.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bKRxmK)

(https://image.ibb.co/nG46fe/IMG_4333.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bLCEYz)

LH front passenger door with speaker foam tape that now aligns with door trim and seals. 
(https://image.ibb.co/gWAe0e/IMG_4334.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ctOz0e)

(https://preview.ibb.co/geXRfe/IMG_4344.jpg) (https://ibb.co/e7xsLe)

(https://preview.ibb.co/niyUYz/IMG_4345.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jtDJRK)

Little damage on RH dash tweeter cover.... just didn't want to come out after previous Morel tweeter
(https://preview.ibb.co/dSvbDz/IMG_4346.jpg) (https://ibb.co/f7D7Le)

Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: CraigB on August 08, 2018, 12:17:35
Looks good Scott :goodjob:

The Alberts mob you used in Midland really did a number on you didn’t they :disapp: nothing like the Cannington boys who did mine, they used MDF spacers on mine as well as morel crossovers throwing away the shit factory resistor plug connector.
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Dazzler on August 08, 2018, 21:20:59
Well done Scott. Can you modify a dash mat to hide the mark on the tweeter?
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Crustycottage on August 09, 2018, 01:33:12
Can you modify a dash mat to hide the mark on the tweeter?

Hi Daryl the standard hyundai dash mat covers it anyway, was just showing peeps where i put them. the actual standard tweeter positions do not look 100% asymmetrical but didn't want to modify the dash. i think they new tweeters fit fine into cover after some adjusting  :happydance:
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: CraigB on August 09, 2018, 04:17:22
Would the tweeters not have fitted into the original positions  :undecided:
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Purplehazeffc on August 09, 2018, 07:58:59
Some photos of PD stereo installation at last. Wiring into boot still still needs a bit of tidying up.
I have replaced the Morel Maximus 602 components in the front with Focal K2 Power 165 KR with new MDF spacers. I was really hacked off with bodge job that Alberts did on the car for $750 so did it myself.
And even when most issues resolved the Morels to me were still missing that x factor. still have Morel components in rear doors whcih may be changed at later date for Focals. Now the system is making me smile a lot
 
check plate from Bunnings (Vinyl wrap on MDF)  :whistler:


Front Driver door new 25mm MDF spacer & Focal K2 Power 165 KR woofer. Existing plastic door screw holes reused


LH front passenger door with speaker foam tape that now aligns with door trim and seals. 


Little damage on RH dash tweeter cover.... just didn't want to come out after previous Morel tweeter




That is looking pretty good.  I did look at getting the Focals when I got my Morels.  But the eBay store I got them from had 20% on eBay at the time. Hence why I got the Morels..

The way you have mounted the woofer is the same as mine. Thou I just got the Aerpro pre made spacers from Repco. Fitted really good.  I made new screw holes thou & countersinked the screws in so the speaker fits flush.
I also used some adhesive silicone to the back of the spacer. Should hold it secure & stop any possible air leaks..  I was going to also put some sound deadening on the door. But it's mainly plastic & really no room to put any.

That's about how much I have done so far.  The last week I have been unwell, with spending a night in hospital. I'm off to Melbourne on Friday (Tomorrow). Back on Monday arvo. Car goes in for the 10,000k service on Tuesday.
Then it's back for another fun filled of 12hr shifts over 5 days at work on Wednesday.  So not for another 10 or so days before I can even think about doing any more..  Have all the new speaker cable to go as well..

I have had a look at the tweeter mounting as well.  And actually thought about what you have done to mount the tweeter.. Because even when I sell the car (many years later) I would just leave the speakers there anyway.
Or even at a pinch. It would not be that expensive to get new tweeter covers & remount the original tweeter back in..
But I'm also looking at making a bracket to mount to the original screw locations & have the Morel tweeter mounted to that. So something pretty similar to how the original is. Then not to put the covers back on & the dash mat to cover that.

Hopefully when I have mine completed. And with better weather LOL.  I wouldn't mind a catch up to check out the sound of those Focals...


Would the tweeters not have fitted into the original positions  :undecided:

No..  The tweeter cover is fully closed in, except for the original tweeter.  Which is not a big enough opening

(https://preview.ibb.co/dXDod9/IMG_20180809_145159.jpg) (https://ibb.co/efwkQp)


Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Crustycottage on August 09, 2018, 10:06:26
Or even at a pinch. It would not be that expensive to get new tweeter covers & remount the original tweeter back in..
But I'm also looking at making a bracket to mount to the original screw locations & have the Morel tweeter mounted to that. So something pretty similar to how the original is. Then not to put the covers back on & the dash mat to cover that.

Hope you get well soon. this is original and morel tweeters with metal back strap taped on by Alberts. The issue i had with Morels was they were being pushed down by tweeter cover and it really needs 2 straps which would be difficult to fabricate and acheive the desired angle to mate with cover protrusion. the soft dome Morels just didn't cut it for me

(https://preview.ibb.co/dwbf89/IMG_4371.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k8hbgU)
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Crustycottage on August 09, 2018, 15:02:58
I also used some adhesive silicone to the back of the spacer. Should hold it secure & stop any possible air leaks..  I was going to also put some sound deadening on the door. But it's mainly plastic & really no room to put any.
I used some silicone sealant between MDF spacers & plastic window door moulding, I didnt have clear so bathroom white it is to seal any potential gaps.
The previous 'professional' Morel speaker install did use 16mm MDF spacers but because the 4 self tapping screws went through the speaker surround, spacer and new holes into thin plastic door trim, the screws started to rattle & loosen and unable to tighten any further. The Morel speaker surround started to deform too.
My new 25mm MDF spacers used existing PCD of OEM speaker holes which are much deeper boss and can be tightened properly.
Also drilled & added two locating pins same as the white OEM plastic speaker spacer to ensure correct alignment with internal door trim and to hold some of the weight of the Focal speaker. Over the top I know for a Hyundai, but I wanted to do it properly this time.

I did use sound deadening butyl on the inside of outer door skin. this is difficult as I didnt remove the aforementioned black plastic window trim panel but used the speaker hole to apply strips of sound deadening butyl. If I knew how to remove black panel it would have made the job so much easier 
I believe it has helped to keep road noise out as the outer door skins are thin as, and keep more bass in. this is what I used

 :link: 1.8m2 OEM Silver butyl sound deadener, Car Builders dampening vs Dynamat | eBay (https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1-8m2-OEM-Silver-butyl-sound-deadener-Car-Builders-dampening-vs-Dynamat/162594709051?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649)

This stuff looks just as good and cheaper too.

 :link: Premium Car Audio Sound Deadener Sound Proofing Noise Control 1.95sq/m DELIVERED | eBay (https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Premium-Car-Audio-Sound-Deadener-Sound-Proofing-Noise-Control-1-95sq-m-DELIVERED/172144017122?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649)
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: CraigB on August 09, 2018, 15:42:23
Alberts used Boom Mats behind my 4 Morels, probably why they punch out reasonable bass.

(https://i.imgur.com/ukcW4um.png)
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Dazzler on August 09, 2018, 22:46:22
Over the top I know for a Hyundai.

 :twisted:  :TutTut: :TutTut:  :disapp:


Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Crustycottage on August 10, 2018, 03:42:24
Over the top I know for a Hyundai.

     

Ha ha I knew you would bite Dazz   :rofl: :scared:
I'm just off to re-ink my "I love Hyundai tattoo"
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Dazzler on August 10, 2018, 04:40:36
Over the top I know for a Hyundai.

     

Ha ha I knew you would bite Dazz   :rofl: :scared:
I'm just off to re-ink my "I love Hyundai tattoo"

Good comeback Scott..  :goodjob: :mrgreen:
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Purplehazeffc on August 10, 2018, 11:28:17
Or even at a pinch. It would not be that expensive to get new tweeter covers & remount the original tweeter back in..
But I'm also looking at making a bracket to mount to the original screw locations & have the Morel tweeter mounted to that. So something pretty similar to how the original is. Then not to put the covers back on & the dash mat to cover that.

Hope you get well soon. this is original and morel tweeters with metal back strap taped on by Alberts. The issue i had with Morels was they were being pushed down by tweeter cover and it really needs 2 straps which would be difficult to fabricate and acheive the desired angle to mate with cover protrusion. the soft dome Morels just didn't cut it for me

(https://preview.ibb.co/dwbf89/IMG_4371.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k8hbgU)

Damn. That is not great work from a shop that you paid money to install.
Glad I'm doing it myself. Even though its taking a little longer.
The 2nd link of matt is what I have already got. I've lined my boot with it already.
How did you go about finding the speakers wires down by the kick panels??
Pretty easy to find. Hopefully I can begin to finish it off Tuesday week.
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: CraigB on August 10, 2018, 12:05:12
Damn. That is not great work from a shop that you paid money to install.
I did suggest for Scott to use Alberts in Cannington as I knew the guys there, no idea why he never returned his car to the Midland branch when he first discovered issues with it :confused: taking it back to them and complaining might have solved all his heartache with it, we both had the same system yet they couldn't be anymore different in sound and install quality.
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Crustycottage on August 10, 2018, 12:19:29
How did you go about finding the speakers wires down by the kick panels??
Pretty easy to find. Hopefully I can begin to finish it off Tuesday week.

To be honest I have forgotten what colour wires and plug I cut as a while ago and have gold fish memory with old age and all.  :lol:
I do recall there were 3 plugs in each kick panel, and used a continuity tester to trace plug wiring to the door woofer. I will try and remember to pull covers and take pictures of both sides tomorrow and write down wire colours as it will certainly help you. One set of speaker cables feeds into LC7i Line out converter in boot, and other speaker cables comes back from the amps / crossover to feed door speaker via kick panel connector. I would have preferred to take those speaker cables all the way to door speaker terminals but that was in the too hard basket   :head_butt:

Did the butyl mat in boot reduce any road or exhaust noise???
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Crustycottage on August 10, 2018, 12:39:09
Damn. That is not great work from a shop that you paid money to install.
I did suggest for Scott to use Alberts in Cannington as I knew the guys there, no idea why he never returned his car to the Midland branch when he first discovered issues with it  taking it back to them and complaining might have solved all his heartache with it, we both had the same system yet they couldn't be anymore different in sound and install quality.

I didn't want Alberts Midland touching the car ever again Craig to be honest. Just put it down to one of life's expensive lessons.

Everything they did was fcuked up, to wire up two speaker polarities wrong is a school boy error, wiring covered with insulation tape, no heat shrink, butchered woofers, MDF spacers, tweeters taped to brackets with different angles hence different reflected sound of windscreen. No pride or quality in their work whatsoever.
The quality of service you received at Alberts in Cannington was polar opposite.
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: CraigB on August 10, 2018, 12:43:17
Damn. That is not great work from a shop that you paid money to install.
I did suggest for Scott to use Alberts in Cannington as I knew the guys there, no idea why he never returned his car to the Midland branch when he first discovered issues with it  taking it back to them and complaining might have solved all his heartache with it, we both had the same system yet they couldn't be anymore different in sound and install quality.

I didn't want Alberts Midland touching the car ever again Craig to be honest. Just put it down to one of life's expensive lessons.

Everything they did was fcuked up, to wire up two speaker polarities wrong is a school boy error, wiring covered with insulation tape, no heat shrink, butchered woofers, MDF spacers, tweeters taped to brackets with different angles hence different reflected sound of windscreen. No pride or quality in their work whatsoever.
The quality of service you received at Alberts in Cannington was polar opposite.
That should have been more reason to go back and complain to the manager about the installers fxxx up, to late now though :disapp:
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Crustycottage on August 10, 2018, 15:42:56
That should have been more reason to go back and complain to the manager about the installers fxxx up, to late now though

Craig I believe it was the manager, but anyway it gave me the motivation, and as they say if you want a job done right, do it yourself. I cant remember if that was my motto at the Boy scouts or Girl guides, I'm still happy with the result  :happydance:
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Purplehazeffc on August 11, 2018, 17:21:41
How did you go about finding the speakers wires down by the kick panels??
Pretty easy to find. Hopefully I can begin to finish it off Tuesday week.

To be honest I have forgotten what colour wires and plug I cut as a while ago and have gold fish memory with old age and all.  :lol:
I do recall there were 3 plugs in each kick panel, and used a continuity tester to trace plug wiring to the door woofer. I will try and remember to pull covers and take pictures of both sides tomorrow and write down wire colours as it will certainly help you. One set of speaker cables feeds into LC7i Line out converter in boot, and other speaker cables comes back from the amps / crossover to feed door speaker via kick panel connector. I would have preferred to take those speaker cables all the way to door speaker terminals but that was in the too hard basket   :head_butt:

Did the butyl mat in boot reduce any road or exhaust noise???

I think I know what colours the speaker cables are. They should be the same as what goes to the woofers in the doors.
Hopefully lol. But as long as the plugs are easy to get at to the wires.
So I'm able to solder & shrink wrap them. I looked at going straight thru as well.
But it does not look easy thru any factory holes. And I don't want to drill anything new there either. So factory thru there it will be as well.
The butyl mat has helped heaps with the exhaust drone a lot.
So I would think road noise as well. But for road noise, you would have to do the whole floor of the car to get a great benifit.
I would think it would also help with the subwoofer when it's up & running as well.
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Crustycottage on August 11, 2018, 19:17:05
Quote from: Crustycottage on August 10, 2018, 07:19:29
Quote from: Purplehazeffc on August 10, 2018, 06:28:17
How did you go about finding the speakers wires down by the kick panels??
Pretty easy to find. Hopefully I can begin to finish it off Tuesday week.

To be honest I have forgotten what colour wires and plug I cut as a while ago and have gold fish memory with old age and all. 
I do recall there were 3 plugs in each kick panel, and used a continuity tester to trace plug wiring to the door woofer. I will try and remember to pull covers and take pictures of both sides tomorrow and write down wire colours as it will certainly help you. One set of speaker cables feeds into LC7i Line out converter in boot, and other speaker cables comes back from the amps / crossover to feed door speaker via kick panel connector. I would have preferred to take those speaker cables all the way to door speaker terminals but that was in the too hard basket   

Did the butyl mat in boot reduce any road or exhaust noise???

I think I know what colours the speaker cables are. They should be the same as what goes to the woofers in the doors.
Hopefully lol. But as long as the plugs are easy to get at to the wires.
So I'm able to solder & shrink wrap them. I looked at going straight thru as well.
But it does not look easy thru any factory holes. And I don't want to drill anything new there either. So factory thru there it will be as well.
The butyl mat has helped heaps with the exhaust drone a lot.
So I would think road noise as well. But for road noise, you would have to do the whole floor of the car to get a great benifit.
I would think it would also help with the subwoofer when it's up & running as well.

here are some pictures that may help you. i think the wires into the plug come from the stereo but considerable beers have been consumed  :wink:

driver side soldered
(https://preview.ibb.co/b9m6mU/IMG_4398.jpg) (https://ibb.co/eyWHt9)

(https://preview.ibb.co/fn8xt9/IMG_4399.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ict80p)

passenger side bullet connectors
(https://preview.ibb.co/iMd80p/IMG_4401_1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bt6Ht9)

(https://preview.ibb.co/iD4RmU/IMG_4402.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dxixt9)
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Purplehazeffc on August 15, 2018, 11:47:01
Awesome..  Cheers heaps for that..

Look pretty easy to get to as well..   So hopefully next Monday arvo I can make a start on it..
Will be good to finally get it up & running..
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Purplehazeffc on August 21, 2018, 10:42:35
Well..   Can finally say that I have completed my stereo install..  It's taken awhile to do. But I must say that i'm happy with the outcome.  :goodjob2:

The tweeters were mounted in the stock locations. Just made the whole bigger to fit the mount. Then Selley's 401 silicone adhesive to hold them in place.

Passenger side speaker wire are run behind the dash. So they all run down the driver's side. Away from the main O gauge power cable.

All wire connections have been soldered together, before being heat shrink wrapped. Then taped together for added security.

After everything was connected & checked..   It powered up without any problems  :happydance:

Then some gain settings was done.  The  to enjoy a couple of tracks to see what it all sounds like..

 
(https://preview.ibb.co/iuuudK/IMG_20180821_104307.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dcXQkz)

(https://preview.ibb.co/gsz5kz/IMG_20180821_104311.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gjG7yK)

(https://preview.ibb.co/evnfJK/IMG_20180821_104322.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hO7fJK)

(https://preview.ibb.co/j4BUCe/IMG_20180821_115939.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ef72Xe)

(https://preview.ibb.co/ck9udK/IMG_20180821_125936.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gOvZdK)

(https://preview.ibb.co/bZe5kz/IMG_20180821_125959.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fAh2Xe)

(https://preview.ibb.co/dsMJ5z/IMG_20180821_145546.jpg) (https://ibb.co/i9inyK)

(https://preview.ibb.co/krLBQz/IMG_20180821_145604.jpg) (https://ibb.co/iZAZdK)

(https://preview.ibb.co/gBj5kz/IMG_20180821_161529.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fmrUCe)

(https://preview.ibb.co/m5iy5z/IMG_20180821_161537.jpg) (https://ibb.co/c5aZdK)

(https://preview.ibb.co/dkiy5z/IMG_20180821_163753.jpg) (https://ibb.co/itMUCe)

(https://preview.ibb.co/efGJ5z/IMG_20180821_163801.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jxdnyK)
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Crustycottage on August 21, 2018, 11:43:06
After everything was connected & checked..   It powered up without any problems   

Well done, Im impressed by your wiring as so much neater than mine under the seat. As long as it sounds better thank stock system that is what really counts  :goodjob2:  :goodjob:  :winker:
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Dazzler on August 21, 2018, 11:45:33
 :whsaid: Well done!  :hatoff:
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Cookie Thumper on August 21, 2018, 14:41:30
Not concerned about moisture getting into those MDF speaker spacers ?
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Crustycottage on August 21, 2018, 15:10:47
Not concerned about moisture getting into those MDF speaker spacers ?

i have used PVA glue inside the MDF spacer, but may add some sealer externally at a later date. to be honest the inner black plastic trim is a fairly good barrier
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Purplehazeffc on August 21, 2018, 15:34:47
After everything was connected & checked..   It powered up without any problems   

Well done, Im impressed by your wiring as so much neater than mine under the seat. As long as it sounds better thank stock system that is what really counts  :goodjob2:  :goodjob:  :winker:

Really..  I thought it looked a lot like spaghetti in there.   There is not a lot you can do with the wiring, as there is so much of it to put somewhere. I was thinking of going back at a later date to get it a bit more cleaner.
I think the power & earth to the amps looks ok. But the power & earth to the crossover & LCi and the remote wire could be a bit better. By the time I got to that, my back was crying ENOUGH !!!!

Not concerned about moisture getting into those MDF speaker spacers ?

i have used PVA glue inside the MDF spacer, but may add some sealer externally at a later date. to be honest the inner black plastic trim is a fairly good barrier

The MDF spacers I used are pre-painted black & are well coated. For any moisture that "may" get in there, it should be enough   :link: Aerpro | First Choice (https://aerpro.com/ap3161b)


Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Cookie Thumper on August 23, 2018, 08:36:45
Not concerned about moisture getting into those MDF speaker spacers ?

i have used PVA glue inside the MDF spacer, but may add some sealer externally at a later date. to be honest the inner black plastic trim is a fairly good barrier

Fair play, I seal them as its never nice to have a speaker come away when they rot.
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Crustycottage on January 13, 2019, 08:17:55
Remove both the halves of the rear seats, which is just 3 bolts for the whole lot. 

I am doing further sound mods with upgraded Focal FPX 4.400 SQ 4 channel amp, FPX 1.1000 mono amp with two P25F flax 10" subwoofers in box enclosure.  :twisted:
I will now have to upgrade my 4 AWG power cable to 0 AWG like Purphlehazeffc as the mono amp draws a lot of current and upgrade ANL fuse to 200 amp. May need a second battery at some point too.

Which 3 bolts allow the rear seat back removal?  :phone1:
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Purplehazeffc on January 14, 2019, 06:26:12
Remove both the halves of the rear seats, which is just 3 bolts for the whole lot. 

I am doing further sound mods with upgraded Focal FPX 4.400 SQ 4 channel amp, FPX 1.1000 mono amp with two P25F flax 10" subwoofers in box enclosure.  :twisted:
I will now have to upgrade my 4 AWG power cable to 0 AWG like Purphlehazeffc as the mono amp draws a lot of current and upgrade ANL fuse to 200 amp. May need a second battery at some point too.

Which 3 bolts allow the rear seat back removal?  :phone1:

Sounds like a pretty good upgrade.  Iv'e read pretty good things about the Focal range of amps.

If you fold both of the backrests down. In the gap you will see a bolt. Take that out & flip the retainer back.
Then pull one half of the backrest up where they join. The pull towards the middle of the car.
Then you can do the same for the other side.   Can be quite tight the first time. But now I can do that in less than a minute.
The bottom seat part is held in by 2 bolts either side. Very easy to spot once the backrest is out.
Then pull up at the front of the seat, to un-clip from there mount.

As soon as you have done it once. It's quite easy.

 
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Crustycottage on January 14, 2019, 12:03:09
Thanks for that, will give it a go when back in surburbia.
The rear seat cushion is easy as you say 2 bolts and clips on the front. Im not sure how you managed to mount your distribution blocks at front of the fuel tank, my cushion tends to pop out of clips  :whistler:
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Purplehazeffc on January 14, 2019, 13:34:27
I'm not sure how it stays clipped in. Iv'e never had a problem with the seat popping out of those clips.
It must keep those blocks down pretty good thou. Iv'e just got some heavy duty double sided tape on those.

Once you have taken the seats out once, it's pretty easy to get them in & out after that.
Iv'e done it a few times now. Can do the whole lot now in less that 2 minutes  :happydance:

I have also changed mine around a little bit as well..  I has having trouble with my electronic crossover at higher volume.
It was sending low frequency's to the tweeters.  Which would damage them..   So I hooked up my old A/D/S passive crossovers.
I have also bridged my 4ch amp into 2ch.  Now the Morels are getting around 200w each.  That has made them come alive.
Changed the subwoofer box to a bigger one. As the other was to small for the 12" Rockford sub..
And gave the shelf a bit of a re-arrange.  And tidied up a bit of the wiring as well..


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Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Dazzler on January 15, 2019, 00:50:13
Impressive!  My age and some of my health conditions mean I prefer peace and quiet lately. I've finding other ways to spend the money you guys are spending on your stereos.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Crustycottage on January 15, 2019, 11:16:19
Impressive!  My age and some of my health conditions mean I prefer peace and quiet lately.
Dazz I put sound deadening in the door skins and rear floor to reduce road noise. that would that help improve your inner peace ???  :rofl: :whistler:
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Dazzler on January 15, 2019, 13:51:30
Impressive!  My age and some of my health conditions mean I prefer peace and quiet lately.
Dazz I put sound deadening in the door skins and rear floor to reduce road noise. that would that help improve your inner peace ???  :rofl: :whistler:

Did it make much difference.  I'm pretty sure my new tyres made a bit.  :goodjob:
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Purplehazeffc on January 15, 2019, 21:07:11
Impressive!  My age and some of my health conditions mean I prefer peace and quiet lately. I've finding other ways to spend the money you guys are spending on your stereos.  :mrgreen:

I guess.. Apart from the 2 amps & crossovers, as I already owned them from my previous car..

But I drive 45 - 50 mins to work..  So it helps to make the drive a bit more pleasant.
Also i do like my audio quite clear..  It's the same with my home theatre set up :)
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Dazzler on January 16, 2019, 00:47:48
Impressive!  My age and some of my health conditions mean I prefer peace and quiet lately. I've finding other ways to spend the money you guys are spending on your stereos.  :mrgreen:

I guess.. Apart from the 2 amps & crossovers, as I already owned them from my previous car..

But I drive 45 - 50 mins to work..  So it helps to make the drive a bit more pleasant.
Also i do like my audio quite clear..  It's the same with my home theatre set up :)

I had  Bose speakers with I think a Panasonic stereo in my Calais V and I must admit I probably did play more music due to the improved sound.
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Crustycottage on January 16, 2019, 11:09:16
But I drive 45 - 50 mins to work..  So it helps to make the drive a bit more pleasant.
Also i do like my audio quite clear..  It's the same with my home theatre set up
I must be from the same mould as you Purplehazeffc, less than optimal brings out my OCD, and I gotta fix it.  :eek:
I have a separate dedicated 6mm T&E supply installed for my home hifi from the Distribution /fuse board with $500 kettle leads plugged into upgraded Clipsal GPO wall sockets to the equipment. oh and a couple of $80 unobtainium/iridium plated fuses just to ensure cleanest power supply goes to CD and amps.  :crazy1:

By the way your install looks very neat, where as mine is still messy due to further upgrading. I may also need to add stiffeners to lower amp shelf. need to fine tune as some tracks sound absolutely amazing then im tweaking audio control bass level control for another music genre as feel bass overpowers  :crazy2:
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Purplehazeffc on January 17, 2019, 09:27:16
But I drive 45 - 50 mins to work..  So it helps to make the drive a bit more pleasant.
Also i do like my audio quite clear..  It's the same with my home theatre set up
I must be from the same mould as you Purplehazeffc, less than optimal brings out my OCD, and I gotta fix it.  :eek:
I have a separate dedicated 6mm T&E supply installed for my home hifi from the Distribution /fuse board with $500 kettle leads plugged into upgraded Clipsal GPO wall sockets to the equipment. oh and a couple of $80 unobtainium/iridium plated fuses just to ensure cleanest power supply goes to CD and amps.  :crazy1:

By the way your install looks very neat, where as mine is still messy due to further upgrading. I may also need to add stiffeners to lower amp shelf. need to fine tune as some tracks sound absolutely amazing then im tweaking audio control bass level control for another music genre as feel bass overpowers  :crazy2:

Same..   At that age now where the volume is not what I'm after.  It's the quality. And with quality, comes the volume....
I can play mine quite loud. But it's also just so clear. Where I get into the Mrs Kia Cerato. Sometimes she has it quite loud (she is deaf in one ear)
And it's just to harsh. I can't stand it..    So having big amps is just not about how loud it is. It's more on how clean & crystal clear it is..

My home theatre I'm not that fussy lol..   But sounds like an awesome set up though..    Great sound just brings movies more alive.
Mine is now at a point. I would rather watch a movie at home than go to a cinema.  For the sound anyway. Got nowhere to fit a bigger screen than my current 65"
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Kovacs on July 30, 2019, 02:12:32
Can anyone give me some steps on how to remove the door panels, such as where the screws are located and so forth? I would greatly appreciate it.
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Crustycottage on July 30, 2019, 02:58:15
This was supplied by another member Lil Weg which should help you
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/files-50/CrutchfieldInstructions-2642300007.pdf (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/files-50/CrutchfieldInstructions-2642300007.pdf)
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Kovacs on July 30, 2019, 03:22:01
Perfect, thanks for that!
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Kovacs on August 05, 2019, 10:52:39
Hi all,

I took off the door panels tonight to have a good look at what's involved with the speaker upgrade and was hoping someone could answer the couple of questions I now have.

- First of all, what have people done to convert the Hyundai plug so that you can put it on the speaker terminals?

- Is taking off the plastic skin under the door panel (as pictured) difficult to do? Given the entire outer steel door skin is devoid of sound deadening, I was wondering whether to sound deaden it, but don't know how difficult taking the plastic skin with window motor/regulator off and putting it back on correctly would be.

- Where do people buy speaker brackets? I am looking to install some coaxial 6.5" Alpine speakers, but don't know where to get appropriate brackets that will fit properly.
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Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Kovacs on August 05, 2019, 11:15:29
I have found the answer to the second question, for all those interested see the video in the link.

 :link: Removing Door And Inner Skin with Window Motor On a Hyundai i30 / i30N - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=640&v=4vqsIiJzhf4)
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Purplehazeffc on August 06, 2019, 14:06:45
Hi all,

I took off the door panels tonight to have a good look at what's involved with the speaker upgrade and was hoping someone could answer the couple of questions I now have.

- First of all, what have people done to convert the Hyundai plug so that you can put it on the speaker terminals?

- Is taking off the plastic skin under the door panel (as pictured) difficult to do? Given the entire outer steel door skin is devoid of sound deadening, I was wondering whether to sound deaden it, but don't know how difficult taking the plastic skin with window motor/regulator off and putting it back on correctly would be.

- Where do people buy speaker brackets? I am looking to install some coaxial 6.5" Alpine speakers, but don't know where to get appropriate brackets that will fit properly.
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Hey..
I didn't do any sound deadening at all.  Would it be better?? Of course it would. But I get pretty good bass performance without it.
Plus the PD's are a fairly noisy anyway. So while driving I don't think the benefit would be there.

For the speaker wire. I just cut off the std Hyundai plug off, and soldered wires that go to the speaker.

To mount the speaker I used pre-made MDF speaker spaces. Then used black mastic to glue them on. With only using 4 screws.
 :link: Aerpro | First Choice (https://aerpro.com/ap3161b)
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Kovacs on August 25, 2019, 04:27:37
I installed a pair of Alpine R-S65.2 in the front doors yesterday, applied some Dynamat to the doors and the speakers have noticeably less bass than the stock ones!! I doubled checked the polarity of the speaker wiring which was correct.

Any ideas why this might be? I understand that they could do with more power, but I've run similar sorts of speakers on stock headunits and there isn't this little bass at low volumes. I don't know whether the speakers need breaking in due to their rigid surrounds, but wouldn't have thought that would have caused them to have such poor bass, especially with the Dynamat over stock.
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Kovacs on August 25, 2019, 04:28:02

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Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Dazzler on August 25, 2019, 06:07:06
If nobody comes up with any solution on here why not contact Alpine Australia and see if they can help you troubleshoot the issue. Or alternatively if you or friend has a good relationship with an audio installer pick their brains as well. They could be faulty too. Stranger things have happened!  :cool:
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Crustycottage on August 25, 2019, 07:34:42
I installed a pair of Alpine R-S65.2 in the front doors yesterday, applied some Dynamat to the doors and the speakers have noticeably less bass than the stock ones!! I doubled checked the polarity of the speaker wiring which was correct.

Any ideas why this might be? I understand that they could do with more power, but I've run similar sorts of speakers on stock headunits and there isn't this little bass at low volumes. I don't know whether the speakers need breaking in due to their rigid surrounds, but wouldn't have thought that would have caused them to have such poor bass, especially with the Dynamat over stock.

a couple of suggestions these speakers are 2 way and not very efficient at 4 ohm 88db compared to OEM speakers (i cant recall exactly but around 2 Ohm 91db) so the Alpines will be much harder to drive. Every 3db is twice as loud  Have you removed/replaced dashboard tweeters as they may be consuming headunit power? you may just need more amplifier power to get them to sing and move them bass drivers
Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Kovacs on August 25, 2019, 07:41:47
Thanks for the suggestions Crusty. I didn't realise the stock speakers were quite that efficient at 91dB, but that would go some way to explaining it.

I couldn't pry the tweeter covers off to do just that, but I may have to have another crack at it. Might have to just get some spare tweeter covers from a wrecker.

I think I'll have to install an amplifier at some point.

Title: Re: PD SR Stereo Install. Speaker, Amps, Subwoofer
Post by: Purplehazeffc on August 25, 2019, 08:26:11
I don't think the headunit will have the required power to give the sort of bass you are looking for.
So as Crusty has said in regards to the lower 88db compared to the 91db.

My rear speakers still are running off the headunit. And have nowhere near the bass performance as the Morel's in the front doors.

So I would say the easiest way out, if your OK with the volume level. Is just to install a subwoofer to increase the bass performance.
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