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THE GARAGE (SERVICE, MAINTENANCE & REPAIR) => DIESEL => Topic started by: tw2005 on March 10, 2017, 03:54:12
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No, unfortunately this is not a tutorial yet. But here's my cheap and nasty extraction kit for about $40 from Ebay.
No instructions supplied, oh great.
Feel free to help out
(http://i.imgur.com/VV3bYI3.jpg)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKuniumG6LI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKuniumG6LI)
My account is in the mail. :whistler:
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My account is in the mail. :whistler:
Did you watch the video Trev, that guy explains virtually nothing :p
Better instructional vid and pdf download here :link: Win Tools W900-0199 Broken Glow Plug Removal Tool - Wise Auto Tools (http://wiseautotools.com/win-tools-w900-0199-broken-glow-plug-removal-tool/)
tw2005, for $40 hopefully you haven't bought a cheap copy :undecided: the proper kit is $179, I hope it doesn't snap :eek:
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[Did you watch the video Trev, that guy explains virtually nothing :p
:disapp: Wrong Mate, he said you "work over the fender", that's why its so useful. :wacko:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKuniumG6LI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKuniumG6LI)
My account is in the mail. :whistler:
cheers, actually that should be a good link. I have seen it, will look again.
it would be quicker for you to drive down and deliver that invoice but I see you have the petrol so I understand.
Will you accept gold coins?
(http://i.imgur.com/PlaxYC6.jpg)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKuniumG6LI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKuniumG6LI)
My account is in the mail. :whistler:
Did you watch the video Trev, that guy explains virtually nothing :p
Better instructional vid and pdf download here :link: Win Tools W900-0199 Broken Glow Plug Removal Tool - Wise Auto Tools (http://wiseautotools.com/win-tools-w900-0199-broken-glow-plug-removal-tool/)
tw2005, for $40 hopefully you haven't bought a cheap copy :undecided: the proper kit is $179, I hope it doesn't snap :eek:
Where's the $179 one made?
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Where's the $179 one made?
The USA I would think as the site and price is all US.
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Where's the $179 one made?
The USA I would think as the site and price is all US.
Any links ?
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Where's the $179 one made?
The USA I would think as the site and price is all US.
Any links ?
Link is right there in my first reply :D
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Where's the $179 one made?
The USA I would think as the site and price is all US.
Any links ?
Link is right there in my first reply :D
Cheers, seen.
I'm going to say this.
If you buy that $179 item from the states you are going to get the exact same Item I have for $40.
Note the video of the LASER 5205 kit, then download both the LASER 5205 instructions and then download the "WISE TOOLS " version.
Not verbatim but so close, layout and warnings are plagurised in my opinion.
Also note the imagery of the case as the layout does not match the real item (Wise) but it is an exact replica of the LASER 5205 which is most likely what these have been cloned from.
Anyway, I'm kinda stuffed so I'll give it a go. The this appears to work by tapping into the stem and extracting like a puller. The material is all soft and alloy. I don't expect anything to snap. STrip maybe.
But I will report once I have a stiff scotch and get the courage to have a go. :faint:
:link: Damaged Glow Plug Removal Set | Part No. 5205 | Part of the Engine/Diesel/Glow Plugs range from Laser Tools (http://www.lasertools.co.uk/product/5205)
:link: Laser 5205 Glow Plug Removal Set: Amazon.co.uk: Car & Motorbike (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Laser-5205-Glow-Plug-Removal/dp/B006IRIKQ0)
https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=video&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjr3eLG0cvSAhXqhlQKHfGnBDkQtwIIGzAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dee6sfgIhfT4&usg=AFQjCNHtQ3QJsmMhaO7sVnvKvekRix9bxQ&sig2=ifKi7uflnW4ZLiU9tT9vBg (https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=video&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjr3eLG0cvSAhXqhlQKHfGnBDkQtwIIGzAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dee6sfgIhfT4&usg=AFQjCNHtQ3QJsmMhaO7sVnvKvekRix9bxQ&sig2=ifKi7uflnW4ZLiU9tT9vBg)
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Probably find they're all copies of the original BGS Technic set which sells at over $900, difference will be in the steel quality and tempering.
:link: BGS Germany CDI Glow Plug Extractor Remover Diesel Injector Thread Repair Set A+ | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/BGS-Germany-CDI-Glow-Plug-Extractor-Remover-Diesel-Injector-Thread-Repair-Set-A-/120786928591?hash=item1c1f7643cf:g:MMkAAOSw1vlUvjeI)
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Probably find they're all copies of the original BGS Technic set which sells at over $900, difference will be in the steel quality and tempering.
:link: BGS Germany CDI Glow Plug Extractor Remover Diesel Injector Thread Repair Set A+ | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/BGS-Germany-CDI-Glow-Plug-Extractor-Remover-Diesel-Injector-Thread-Repair-Set-A-/120786928591?hash=item1c1f7643cf:g:MMkAAOSw1vlUvjeI)
Funny thing is on ebay there's one reduced from $999 to $330. Wow, must be losing lots of money.
The truth is out there somewhere but now I'm feeling even happier I only paid $40 because how can anyone know what they are buying because they all look identical and quality wise nothing is leaping out at me visually.
Good news is I'm doing this on a motor not in use, so we're either going to be jumping for joy or laughing in failure. Someone has to try things out, I'll take the hit for the team :happydance:
:link: BGS Germany CDI Glow Plug Extractor Remover Diesel Injector Thread Repair Set A+ | eBay (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/BGS-Germany-CDI-Glow-Plug-Extractor-Remover-Diesel-Injector-Thread-Repair-Set-A-/120786928591?hash=item1c1f7643cf:g:MMkAAOSw1vlUvjeI)
Geez, got to watch this F-ing mod tools
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Yeah cant complain about the price, hopefully it does the job.
Good tools aren't cheap, I left all my auto tools in the US with my brother which never returned with him :disapp: strangely enough most of his tools came back with him though so I lost about 25-30k in tools but at least I got the cash from the drag car minus his advertising costs :head_knock:
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Yeah cant complain about the price, hopefully it does the job.
Good tools aren't cheap, I left all my auto tools in the US with my brother which never returned with him :disapp: strangely enough most of his tools came back with him though so I lost about 25-30k in tools but at least I got the cash from the drag car minus his advertising costs :head_knock:
cheers, just waiting for the cheap cordless to charge. May have one issue though. I've already had a go with a normal extraction tool so will see. may have already cooked this goose.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKuniumG6LI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKuniumG6LI)
My account is in the mail. :whistler:
cheers, actually that should be a good link. I have seen it, will look again.
it would be quicker for you to drive down and deliver that invoice but I see you have the petrol so I understand.
Will you accept gold coins?
(http://i.imgur.com/PlaxYC6.jpg)
The man is from Queensland.....
(https://en.numista.com/catalogue/photos/tokens/g42144.jpg)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/bd/f8/11/bdf8111f858b3fa0eff81e2d60319597.jpg)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKuniumG6LI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKuniumG6LI)
My account is in the mail. :whistler:
cheers, actually that should be a good link. I have seen it, will look again.
it would be quicker for you to drive down and deliver that invoice but I see you have the petrol so I understand.
Will you accept gold coins?
(http://i.imgur.com/PlaxYC6.jpg)
The man is from Queensland.....
(https://en.numista.com/catalogue/photos/tokens/g42144.jpg)
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/bd/f8/11/bdf8111f858b3fa0eff81e2d60319597.jpg)
How many Duff Beers you had?
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Where's the $179 one made?
The USA I would think as the site and price is all US.
I think the company selling it is a Trump affiliate (so almost certainly made in CHINA) :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Hi tw,
When you report back on this weekend's exploits , try to imagine pulling the glow plugs while the motor is in the car.
Like keeping the drill straight when cutting the old one out.
Ive been lucky thus far, :rolleyes: but may need to borrow it one day, if it does not break. :D
Some of the Chinese gear is ok, but none have the quality or precision of US and Euro tools. Good luck
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Hi tw,
When you report back on this weekend's exploits , try to imagine pulling the glow plugs while the motor is in the car.
Like keeping the drill straight when cutting the old one out.
Ive been lucky thus far, :rolleyes: but may need to borrow it one day, if it does not break. :D
Some of the Chinese gear is ok, but none have the quality or precision of US and Euro tools. Good luck
What time are you getting here today FFS?
last chat we had you were telling me how good you are at not breaking these :spitty:
Of to Bunnings I go. I guess when they mention some makes and not others there's a reason.
Not being a metal worker I think the tap is a finer pitch than the Hyundai plug.
Yes I'm seriously concerned about straightness. Just drilled No. 2 cyl. I can see thread but lineball with the EGR piping.
I think that will have to come off for No.4.
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Hi tw,
When you report back on this weekend's exploits , try to imagine pulling the glow plugs while the motor is in the car.
Like keeping the drill straight when cutting the old one out.
Ive been lucky thus far, :rolleyes: but may need to borrow it one day, if it does not break. :D
Some of the Chinese gear is ok, but none have the quality or precision of US and Euro tools. Good luck
What time are you getting here today FFS?
last chat we had you were telling me how good you are at not breaking these :spitty:
Of to Bunnings I go. I guess when they mention some makes and not others there's a reason.
Not being a metal worker I think the tap is a finer pitch than the Hyundai plug.
Yes I'm seriously concerned about straightness. Just drilled No. 2 cyl. I can see thread but lineball with the EGR piping.
I think that will have to come off for No.4.
Noooo I said lucky. :whistler:
Why Bunnings? You getting ready for exploit # 2, the timing chain? :rofl:
Ive got British tools that my Grandfather used in the Merchant Navy during WW1. Still in excellent condition. Includes a full tap and die set, perfect condition and almost useless because it is imperial size. :Pout:
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Hi tw,
When you report back on this weekend's exploits , try to imagine pulling the glow plugs while the motor is in the car.
Like keeping the drill straight when cutting the old one out.
Ive been lucky thus far, :rolleyes: but may need to borrow it one day, if it does not break. :D
Some of the Chinese gear is ok, but none have the quality or precision of US and Euro tools. Good luck
What time are you getting here today FFS?
last chat we had you were telling me how good you are at not breaking these :spitty:
Of to Bunnings I go. I guess when they mention some makes and not others there's a reason.
Not being a metal worker I think the tap is a finer pitch than the Hyundai plug.
Yes I'm seriously concerned about straightness. Just drilled No. 2 cyl. I can see thread but lineball with the EGR piping.
I think that will have to come off for No.4.
Noooo I said lucky. :whistler:
Why Bunnings? You getting ready for exploit # 2, the timing chain? :rofl:
Ive got British tools that my Grandfather used in the Merchant Navy during WW1. Still in excellent condition. Includes a full tap and die set, perfect condition and almost useless because it is imperial size. :Pout:
Ok, the plugs are M10, the kit is for M10 but euro cars , so, the tap is 10 x 1, plug is 10 x 1.25.
Got a tap from Bunnings (ripped off) good news is somehow managed to drill the top part and keep the old thread. Only needed half a dozen turns and it clear..
Next step is to tap out the core to thread the puller into.
having difficulty with the plumbing and getting in there.
I'd hate to try this in the car.
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Yeah, it's not easy apparently. Not sure if it was before your time Gerard, but Asterix (who used to be a VW Technician in another life) had 2 glow plugs that wouldn't budge and when he took it to the service centre even they couldn't fix it! Needed a new head (quite a saga!) :crazy1: :Shocked:
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Quiet Dazz.
Now , If anyone gets this kit. Here's a real big issue.
Last step, extraction.
You grab the 1/4 tap and tap out the core, then thread the extractor and use the puler.
SImple, right?"
NOOOOOOOOOO!
The F-ing China man who did this has created an extractor that is not 1/4" in diameter.
I now have a large bloody hole. with nothing left to thread even if I get a smaller tap because I made sure I threaded as far as I could, good idea except I've been screwed. :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :fum: :fum: :fum: :fum: :fum: :fum: :fum: :fum: :fum: :fum: :fum: :fum: :fum: :fum: :fum: :fum: :fum: :fum: :fum: :fum:
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I had the right thread. I simply did not thread well enough. The tap has a big taper on it, not ideal
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I had the right thread. I simply did not thread well enough. The tap has a big taper on it, not ideal
Who was it had a go at me having a petrol engine? :disapp:
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I had the right thread. I simply did not thread well enough. The tap has a big taper on it, not ideal
Who was it had a go at me having a petrol engine? :disapp:
AND the motor was perfect until he touched it! :rolleyes:
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I had the right thread. I simply did not thread well enough. The tap has a big taper on it, not ideal
Who was it had a go at me having a petrol engine? :disapp:
Shhhhhhhhhh!
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I had the right thread. I simply did not thread well enough. The tap has a big taper on it, not ideal
Who was it had a go at me having a petrol engine? :disapp:
Shhhhhhhhhh!
:happydance:
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I had the right thread. I simply did not thread well enough. The tap has a big taper on it, not ideal
Who was it had a go at me having a petrol engine? :disapp:
AND the motor was perfect until he touched it! :rolleyes:
C'mon. Glad you're not my tech advisor. Was not perfect at all. :spitty:
Got one out.
Here's where it went wrong. The tap supplied for the extractor is 1/4 - 28.
The extractor supplied, 6mm 1.0 pitch
I think it's all over red rover for plug one. Nolthing left to tap.
Cyl 4 plug is out, extractor is bent and split the casing . I reckon these were not tight looking at the blowby , gum andf varnish. Fought all the way.
(https://i.ibb.co/1GDdgdk/ysK1X6P.jpg) (https://ibb.co/b5S202k)
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So what is the next step? :undecided: :disapp:
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So what is the next step? :undecided: :disapp:
You get on a plane and finish the job for me?
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So what is the next step? :undecided: :disapp:
You get on a plane and finish the job for me?
You wouldn't want that... When i was much younger my big Brother got me to help him in his Auto Electrical business once. I had to unbolt an Alternator. He said whatever you do, don't shear off any of the bolts ... Not telling you what happened.. :Pout: :-[
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So what is the next step? :undecided: :disapp:
You get on a plane and finish the job for me?
You wouldn't want that... When i was much younger my big Brother got me to help him in his Auto Electrical business once. I had to unbolt an Alternator. He said whatever you do, don't shear off any of the bolts ... Not telling you what happened.. :Pout: :-[
Do they have sheep in Tassie? maybe stick to them.
how do you shear of a bolt? Turning the wrong way?
I'm really frustrated ATM. I can tap out 7mm but don't have a 7mm x 1 tool for this rig. I will need to make one with someone elses tools. 7mm is really the limit, may even be too big. 8mm would take out the whole body .
If only i knew that tap was wrong it'd be out like the other
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here's another kit and another video. They're also very similar in process. I have not watched it all yet but .
Step 1 shearing the Head of (see Dazz, perfect)
Step 2, I never drilled the electrode, vice grips and a twist will have it snap off in one piece
Step 3. I drilled out the thread.
Step 4 clean out and retap the 10 x 1.25 plug thread
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORG-15RfViY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORG-15RfViY)
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:D I can't remember the details.. It was around 40 years ago...
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^superb video
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:D I can't remember the details.. It was around 40 years ago...
Dunno. Usually you remember the monumental ones. I could tell you how to set your VH commodore on fire whilst working on it.
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No sound but interesting, Virtual video which is very clever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9lzWWGj8LM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9lzWWGj8LM)
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^looks a lot simpler than all that drilling.
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^looks a lot simpler than all that drilling.
yeah, in a perfect virtual world. Still , although this kit is not perfect, the foundation is there just would have been nice to be more aware of the pitfalls.
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The point on the reamer is interesting...
A year or so ago I rang a few very well established businesses that service only diesel engines...without exception they admitted that they had never heard of a reamer to remove accumulated carbon deposits.
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The point on the reamer is interesting...
A year or so ago I rang a few very well established businesses that service only diesel engines...without exception they admitted that they had never heard of a reamer to remove accumulated carbon deposits.
Yeah, well. There's a probably some well established dealerships that potentially are questionable on knowledge or practices.
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Do they have sheep in Tassie? maybe stick to them.
how do you shear of a bolt? Turning the wrong way?
Old joke cleaned up: In Tazzie they don't shear their sheep, they share them. :whistler:
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C'mon. Glad you're not my tech advisor. Was not perfect at all. :spitty:
Got one out.
:crazy1: :crazy1: Enigma spits dummy and walks off stage :spitty:
:evil: Engima returns to remind Gerard that he was advised to use WD40 ( aka. thin oily stuff) and to put an oxy flame on the plugs.....FIRST :happydance:
Actually mate, the last clip is a good one, albeit that they had an ideal situation with glow plugs at front of the motor. :)
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C'mon. Glad you're not my tech advisor. Was not perfect at all. :spitty:
Got one out.
:crazy1: :crazy1: Enigma spits dummy and walks off stage :spitty:
:evil: Engima returns to remind Gerard that he was advised to use WD40 ( aka. thin oily stuff) and to put an oxy flame on the plugs.....FIRST :happydance:
Actually mate, the last clip is a good one, albeit that they had an ideal situation with glow plugs at front of the motor. :)
Allow me to check the transcripts.
And you're out of context. "perfect motor" got nothing to do with the method of plug extraction. :blubber:
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Now you two, stop squabbling or I'll have to separate you... You're nearly 120 years old combined! :eek:
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C'mon. Glad you're not my tech advisor. Was not perfect at all. :spitty:
Got one out.
:crazy1: :crazy1: Enigma spits dummy and walks off stage :spitty:
:evil: Engima returns to remind Gerard that he was advised to use WD40 ( aka. thin oily stuff) and to put an oxy flame on the plugs.....FIRST :happydance:
Actually mate, the last clip is a good one, albeit that they had an ideal situation with glow plugs at front of the motor. :)
Damn you
"Ive always been lucky with glow plugs, usually wd40 them a week or two ahead of surgery. If you can get some heat from Oxy onto them, that should help. "
pretty sure I'd already done the damage, did not save the sent question.
No contest your Honour. :snigger:
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Now you two, stop squabbling or I'll have to separate you... You're nearly 120 years old combined! :eek:
:rofl:
Daz please don't join in!! We are avoiding the double Century :happydance:
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Now you two, stop squabbling or I'll have to separate you... You're nearly 120 years old combined! :eek:
:rofl:
Daz please don't join in!! I'm avoiding the double Century :happydance:
:rofl:
We did the exercise a while back, the average age on this forum is scary! :sweating:
For the longevity of the club might have to have some incentive for under 25's (preferably women to even up the gender imbalance) - I know "free" membership and a visit from the Aussie administrator... :mrgreen:
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Now you two, stop squabbling or I'll have to separate you... You're nearly 120 years old combined! :eek:
:rofl:
Daz please don't join in!! We are avoiding the double Century :happydance:
That's a sheep comment. OMG where's Gonz
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I'm just a youngster at heart
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Final report in.
It's out, ... the glow plug that is not the report.
(http://i.imgur.com/GVLlFfk.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/LUTyaA3.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/d9YkU8j.jpg)
7mm is too big really to tap this out . Took 3 goes lucky really.
What I did , I had to make an interim puller. Got some 8mm x 1.25 threaded rod. Cut a piece the same length as the extractor. Ground the lower half away. Then used a M7 x 1 die to cut the rod. Tapped the core of the plug with M7 x 1.
The rod was not perfectly straight and mild steel. First attempt the puller started to lay over and bend.
It will not pull out at any offset angle.
Straightened it best I could , try again and partially move but un threaded itself, re-tapped the plug nad had to use a locking nut the secure the rod so I could get it in as tight as I could.
Nice and straight and then lovely creaking cracking noises until it was fully extracted.
6mm is better, plus it give more wiggle room. Issues I had was it has to be perfectly straight, the adaptor did not pull up flush so I had a spacer from a child seat anchor. Mainly due to the head and it's contours just getting in the way.
the EGR I pulled off, and an engine lift bracket in the corner.
Some serious gum in the hole. WD40 certainly helped soften this crap up.
I'll put up all the corrections needed to this kit to make it more useable shortly.
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:victory:
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Well done mate :)
:D
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Wow, have been following this from the start, but, went back and re-read.
If I buy a diesel and it needs new glow plugs, then that will be a job for my trusted mechanic !!
Not going there :crazy1:
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The topic has been raised before, and members have had their plugs changed by a mechanic for about $350, and with no problems.
To be fair to Gerard, he accomplished a tough job ( we have been stirring each other a bit :mrgreen:) He took on a challenging motor because it had an unknown history and high Kms and his extraction kit (with no instructions) was some rubbish Chinese clone of a quality Euro/ US kit :spitty:.
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Oh yeah difficult job for sure.
I know my mechanical abilities, and am sure that if I tried to do it, all bolts and other sharp edges would end up protected by a layer or 2 of skin. 😡
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I'll say this too. Look for warning signs like and brown residue or varnish that appears around the glow plug or looks like it has run down the cylinder head.
Both of these had very visible signs of the the 2 that came out perfect and clean like brand new glows had no such stains.
It's obvious in hindsight what's been going on as these must not have been seated and sealing correctly.
If this motor was in a car I needed tomorrow I doubt I would have touched it. Being out of the car made this a lot easier.
Gary.
Why do I need a disclaimer?
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I'll say this too. Look for warning signs like and brown residue or varnish that appears around the glow plug or looks like it has run down the cylinder head.
Both of these had very visible signs of the the 2 that came out perfect and clean like brand new glows had no such stains.
It's obvious in hindsight what's been going on as these must not have been seated and sealing correctly.
If this motor was in a car I needed tomorrow I doubt I would have touched it. Being out of the car made this a lot easier.
Gary.
Why do I need a disclaimer?
I'm pretty sure Gary was joking, but doesn't hurt to cover your a$$ these days. Somebody might copy your fine example then slag off at you if it all goes pear shaped! :winker:
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Gary.
Why do I need a disclaimer?
Same reason WE ALL need a disclaimer at home. Gonna be blamed for every mishap even if you aint there. :mrgreen: