Post by: eye30 on May 30, 2008, 12:13:28
Anyway answer we have all been waiting for:
Called in to dealer today.
They confirmed that my car does have a CPF and need to use fully synthetic oil
Post by: Dazzler on May 30, 2008, 13:23:14
But.. does that mean the Aussie ones do too?
Post by: Thumper on May 30, 2008, 15:15:04
Quote from: "dazzling_darryl"
Thanks for that Eye...
But.. does that mean the Aussie ones do too?
Yup, according to the exhaust place that made the rear system on mine.
Post by: Dazzler on May 30, 2008, 22:57:00
Post by: Thumper on June 01, 2008, 15:10:09
(http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/7552/10046771ak3.jpg)
Post by: eye30 on June 01, 2008, 16:42:47
Thanks for confirmation.
Picture of the CPF is exactly the same on mine. So Oz and UK same.
Post by: i30manUK on June 06, 2008, 16:47:58
Post by: i30manUK on June 06, 2008, 20:00:57
"Development of Environmentally Friendly Engine Technology
Ultra Low Exhaust Gas Diesel Engines for Passenger Cars
In 2006, HMC developed a high power, low-noise, CPF (Catalyzed Particulate Filter) embedded, Euro IV-compliant environmentally friendly diesel engine for passenger cars. The commercialization of this engine allowed HMC to secure competitive advantage in diesel passenger cars market in the EU. This engine features a high performance with an exhaust gas purifying level of over 90%. The catalyzed particulate diesel filter helps cut exhaust emissions dramatically and is strong enough to tolerate the intense heat generated in this process. Also, additional additives-supply systems were no longer required,
inherently eliminating the needs for cleaning and changing the filter, resulting in reduction in maintenance cost and increase in durability and reliability. HMC was awarded a IR52 Jang, Youngsil Award in 2006 for this exceptional engine and will continue to comply with the Euro V standards."
Link deleted, because it just came out as a load of oriental writing!
It doesn't say precisely which diesel engines are fitted with it, but if you've got one it's good to know that the filter is more maintenance-free than others.
Post by: eye30 on June 06, 2008, 21:08:44
Post by: Shambles on June 06, 2008, 21:13:46
Post by: Dazzler on June 07, 2008, 09:46:11
Also still chasing Hyundai Aus direct as to confirmation of their previous correspondence saying no CPF in Australian Diesel i30...
Post by: Thumper on August 22, 2008, 09:09:50
I'll rip the bloody thing off and take photos inside the pipe when I get a chance to see if it's gutted, or fully functioning.
Post by: TheBunyip on August 22, 2008, 10:29:36
Post by: Lakes on August 26, 2008, 08:46:53
Quote from: "Thumper"
Confirmed today, my vehicle has a CPF. Was pointed out to me by the Hyundai mechanic doing the service.
I'll rip the bloody thing off and take photos inside the pipe when I get a chance to see if it's gutted, or fully functioning.
How did he know m8? like Hyundai told Dazz they don't have them, did he have written service proof or was he just guessing?
i just guessed it probably was and most people who take a look say thats what it is, but if Hyundai say it's not, then one of the service team at a dealer say it is. i wonder why no written proof on my car anywere and why they told Dazz they have not got them? bit confuseing don't you think?
PS what brand of oil did they use m8?
Post by: davet on August 26, 2008, 09:00:59
Post by: TheBunyip on August 26, 2008, 10:41:53
Your observation is curious. Where have you seen that Hyundai Australia only claim EURO3 for the CRDi.
According to my email exchange with Hyundai AU the CRDi complies with the Australian Design Rules. The emission figures quoted previously do comply with EURO4 which was in force under the ADR requirements when the i30 was launched.
If they have found a way to wriggle out of EURO4 I for one would like to know.
PLEASE will someone probe and Photograph the innards of that box which appears to be a Particulate Filter..
Post by: davet on August 26, 2008, 16:26:53
Post by: Lakes on August 26, 2008, 20:45:28
Whats the population of GB?
Post by: eye30 on August 26, 2008, 22:20:53
Quote from: "Lakes"
Australia only has 20 million people not all drive cars. thats about the population of the state of texas USA.
Whats the population of GB?
In mid-2007 the resident population of the UK was 61 million.
The number of people aged 17 plus, driving age, is circa 48 million
The number of vehicles on UK roads is circa 35million of which circa 27 million are cars.
Post by: CRM114 on August 27, 2008, 11:50:58
Why, you ask?
Well I also run a Citoen C4hdi, and that I know for sure has a "filtre a particules".
What I also noticed is that the tail pipe is absolutly clean on the Cit, whilst on the i30 the tail pipe is black with soot.
So QED the i30 has no particle filter as the sooty tail pipe is a dead give away.
Discuss
Post by: Dazzler on August 27, 2008, 11:54:53
Post by: EymaTeapot on August 27, 2008, 12:13:23
I think you will find that it is the 2.2L CRDi Santa Fe that has the CPF. The Tucson is not available here as a deisel though its identical twin, the Kia Sportage does come in a 2.0L Deisel. I dont know if the Sportage has a particle filter though.
Post by: Dazzler on August 27, 2008, 12:43:15
Eyma Wrong and you are right.... It is the Sante Fe I got confused (So it is a Sante Fe diesel's exhaust we need to check out!)
Post by: TheBunyip on September 01, 2008, 08:28:03
The comparison made by CRM114 between the clean exhaust "tail Pipes" of his Citroen C4hdi and the i30 set me off again. (Does not take much does it?? :mrgreen:
I am fairly certain that C4 uses the same PSA particulates filter as my UK Mazda3 1.6 Diesel. Same engine of course.
Some thoughts (OK Guesswork :roll:
Post by: Lakes on September 04, 2008, 20:54:47
Quote from: "CRM114"
mmh, methinks there is no particle filter on the Australian delivery cars.
Why, you ask?
Well I also run a Citoen C4hdi, and that I know for sure has a "filtre a particules".
What I also noticed is that the tail pipe is absolutly clean on the Cit, whilst on the i30 the tail pipe is black with soot.
So QED the i30 has no particle filter as the sooty tail pipe is a dead give away.
Discuss
There are a few different types of partical filters for diesel's the one the i30 has looks like a catalist converter, and they call it a CPF.
i talked to a diesel expert he did not seem to like the filters as said they have made a lot of diesels use a lot more fuel and in some cases give more problems. but the i30 we have here only uses a small 1.6 motor and economy as we have seen is very good, i never see smoke come out my pipe, so thats something. what brand of fuel do you like to use?
also have you ever thought that maybe the burnt diesel gas's do not come out of the tail pipe and they exit before that? you could check by blocking the tail pipe with something and seeing if it gets blown out when the motor starts.
Post by: TheBunyip on September 05, 2008, 02:02:36
I am puzzled by the comments of the expert you talked to.
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i talked to a diesel expert he did not seem to like the filters as said they have made a lot of diesels use a lot more fuel and in some cases give more problems.Is he or she an expert on the modern Electronic controlled, Common Rail,Turbo small Diesel engines or perhaps someone who works with the old technology used in Naturally Aspirated heavy Transport Diesels? Or Both?
I ask because when I researched modern Diesels before buying my first CR Diesel I was unable to find any information that suggested that Particulate Filters used on CR Diesel cars can cause a problem on cars that make it into production. Do you know of any reports that I might have missed? As you pointed out the i30 CRDi delivers great fuel economy just like all the Common Rail Turbo Diesels on the road. Some, of course, are a bit better than others. Common Rail Turbos do seem to improve with every new model launched.
During my pre-purchase search I did find reports that retro fitting a filter to an old technology naturally aspirated diesel had its challenges.
The burn achieved with the multiple injections of a Common Rail System is more complete and inherently so much cleaner than the burn produced with the simpler technology of old. Because of that "Clean Burn" the task required from the particulate filter is much easier to accomplish. Judging by the filthy exhausts from Trucks that I see on Australian roads I guess that there might still be a lot of Naturally Aspirated Diesels in use.
What do you think Lakes?
PS Should anyone reading this not know much about Common Rail Diesels and be a bit curious a good place to start would be here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Rail_Diesel If You really want to learn about Diesels try this starting point. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_engine That should slow down any one new to Diesels.
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Post by: donc on September 05, 2008, 08:05:19
- in fact to me a real diesel usually looks more like this: http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsshb/12cyl/ (http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsshb/12cyl/) !!!
But... and even accepting that despite Bunyips protestations (
) common rail diesel really isn't technically 'newer' than other diesel configurations, nor is it technically more advanced that diesels used in large machinery... it's just one of several fuel provision options on diesel engines; the choice of which depends on a range of engine design variables (common rail simply refers to a single pressure cylinder used to provide fuel to the injectors - the concept has been around since the late '60's).So the big... but... as I drive up and down mountainous terrain and see these little diesels keep up with me on the steepest hills... and even better, being overtaken by a tri-prime road train nearly 170 ton on the road... OK... diesels are definitely better nowadays!!! (even if they do need turbo-chargers to really compete with their ULP counterparts)
So what do you blokes really think of them? - Is a small improvement in fuel economy worth the downsides of diesel? - Are you in love with them? - or are they really quirky but with a 'nice to feel green' feeling about them?
In short, are these little diesels worth the money?
Post by: Lakes on September 05, 2008, 10:59:23
Quote from: "TheBunyip"
Hi Lakes,
I am puzzled by the comments of the expert you talked to.Quotei talked to a diesel expert he did not seem to like the filters as said they have made a lot of diesels use a lot more fuel and in some cases give more problems.Is he or she an expert on the modern Electronic controlled, Common Rail,Turbo small Diesel engines or perhaps someone who works with the old technology used in Naturally Aspirated heavy Transport Diesels? Or Both?
I ask because when I researched modern Diesels before buying my first CR Diesel I was unable to find any information that suggested that Particulate Filters used on CR Diesel cars can cause a problem on cars that make it into production. Do you know of any reports that I might have missed? As you pointed out the i30 CRDi delivers great fuel economy just like all the Common Rail Turbo Diesels on the road. Some, of course, are a bit better than others. Common Rail Turbos do seem to improve with every new model launched.
During my pre-purchase search I did find reports that retro fitting a filter to an old technology naturally aspirated diesel had its challenges.
The burn achieved with the multiple injections of a Common Rail System is more complete and inherently so much cleaner than the burn produced with the simpler technology of old. Because of that "Clean Burn" the task required from the particulate filter is much easier to accomplish. Judging by the filthy exhausts from Trucks that I see on Australian roads I guess that there might still be a lot of Naturally Aspirated Diesels in use.
What do you think Lakes?
PS Should anyone reading this not know much about Common Rail Diesels and be a bit curious a good place to start would be here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Rail_Diesel If You really want to learn about Diesels try this starting point. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_engine That should slow down any one new to Diesels. ;)
Bunyip, one of the Trucks i drive sometimes is the oldstyle Diesel blows smoke but not bad, if they blow smoke for 14 seconds or longer you get finned out here, a big fleet service company services them and they run well i like the oldstyle slow but they pull from right down low, just have to know how to drive them.
Or are you talking about the one's that needed eather to start cold?
Cheers
Post by: donc on September 05, 2008, 11:33:44
Post by: EymaTeapot on September 05, 2008, 11:40:36
There is a poll, petrol or deisel which also invites discussion.
A fresh thread on the subject sounds good though.
Post by: TheBunyip on September 05, 2008, 12:39:02
Downside of Diesels :roll: Well I have to admit that with current fuel pricing if I were to buy one for low mileage/Klms use they would be a tad more expensive. True they do require on old petrol head (like me) to modify the driving style a bit in order to get the best out of them and avoid the flat spot when the turbo is about to kick in. However the next generation two stage Turbos has fixed that one. Not on my shopping list yet unfortunately. (Saab and now Citroen C5)
Once moving that extra torque means that driving is fun again even for an old fart like me. As Thumper has demonstrated the i30 can deliver 3l/100 Klm and still be fun to drive.
Now as for new technology. Of course the 1960s was when the "Common Rail" itself was first used in Railway Diesels. If I remember correctly. I will have to agree that is not so new. However the combination of Electronic Control and the third generation Piezoelectric Injectors that can inject six times during a power stroke have been evolving for over ten years now. That is still fairly new in my terms. :(
I do like your Container Ship Diesel. That is one magnificent bit of Engineering. I will bet someone is going to have fun re-engineering that setup to meet the Emission Requirements for shipping that California have taken the lead and announced. Marine diesel emissions are now being targeted too. How big would the Particulate filter need to be to look after one of those monsters?? This thread was about Catalyzed Particulate Filters at one time. I am off topic as usual.
For me the exciting anticipation is about the coming availability of better Diesel Fuel. Gas to Liquid blends in the near future will be more economic as well as cleaner. I have linked to these before here http://www.chemlink.com.au/gtl.htm and here http://www.shell.com/home/content/shellgasandpower-en/products_and_services/what_is_gtl/dir_what_is_gtl_1205.html Although better economy and a major improvement in emissions can be had by blending in LPG with the diesel in the manifold. Again it is the cost that would be the inhibitor. Check it out here http://d-gas.com.au The fast payback for trucks and other heavy diesels does not translate so well to small diesels like the i30 even with the Australian Federal Government grants. (Except in WA where the State Govt chips in too.)
The real excitement in some quarters is the prospect of Diesel becoming a Solar Powered option. The Diesel Fuel from the sun is of course the next generation of Biofuels. That is Diesel from Algae and other types of Biomass. Algae grown on ponds would require 0. 2% or less of America's land to meet ALL of the USAs transport needs according to the research now being turned into practice. So we have at least five years to wait but the investment frenzy is getting under way. Background here. http://www.energyandcapital.com/articles/biofuel-algae-biodiesel/395 and here http://www.globalgreensolutionsinc.com/s/Vertigro.asp These newer projections are looking at producing Bio Diesel at up to 200.000 Gallons (US) per Acre per year. That is about a 280 times better yield than Palm Oil which is the top first generation Bio Diesel source. The fact that these fuels do not compete with Food for land is of course a huge attraction as is the fact that water use is minimal. All of the next gen Ethanol sources seem to need plenty of land and water, so far, even if it is not prime agricultural land.
I have read that Mercedes-Benz have shut down development of V8 petrol engines in favor of diesel as they do not believe spark ignition will be able to meet the emission and fuel efficiency required when Europe moves to a post Euro6 standard. So yes I do think that Diesel or a Diesel Hybrid is the way to go. So maybe next time you buy a Mark Two i30 you might yet become a Diesel Head like us Diesel Nuts. On the other hand there are plenty betting on wringing more efficiency from spark ignition engines. For me the real question is the sustainability of a liquid fuel.
Do not get me wrong I too like the idea of all electric zero emission transport. I just think I will not live to see it. My Grandkids might.
Post by: davet on September 05, 2008, 13:01:27
Quote from: "donc"
So what do you blokes really think of them? - Is a small improvement in fuel economy worth the downsides of diesel? - Are you in love with them? - or are they really quirky but with a 'nice to feel green' feeling about them?
In short, are these little diesels worth the money?
Sounds like you may not have driven one of these "little diesels"!
I need to preface these comments with the observation that I am not really a "petrol head" (although one of my previous cars was a Calibra 4x4 turbo capable of 250 km/h, the fastest it ever went while I owned it (195 kmh) was when my wife was driving, and even more embarrassing was that the only reason it wasn't higher was that the piece of straight road we were driving on in western Victoria developed a bend)
Normally I drive a petrol car to get good economy - change gears at 3000-3500 rpm unless really need the power/acceleration). This is typically below max torque and way below max power in a petrol engine. In a diesel, the max power and torque are more like in the 1500 - 3000 rpm range, so if you drive a modern diesel in the same rev range it will likely go as well if not much better than the petrol version of the same car. It's the torque (diesel+turbo) that makes the difference.
While I have only had a brief test drive in an i30 (prior to placing my as yet undelivered order last May), I also have a Ford Transit motorhome which weighs 4 tonnes powered by a 2.4 litre turbo diesel. It will cruise all day at 110 kmh and climbs hills like you woudn't believe. even in 6th gear.
dave
Post by: EymaTeapot on September 05, 2008, 14:08:56
Donc, What are these down sides of deisel you speak of. The only down side i can think of is the extra cost of deisel, but when you're getting 1000k to a tank, you would hardly complain.
There is certainly no downside in performance.
I test drove the petrol, its impressive, but the deisel is outstanding.
Post by: donc on September 05, 2008, 14:22:14
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Sounds like you may not have driven one of these "little diesels"!Hi guys - Dave yes, I've driven this and other small diesel cars. Also worked on them. I'm a mechanic by trade and automotive engineer by profession, even though nowadays my main source of income comes from IT - still keep my 'hand in' working on friends and family cars plus we have a large fleet at work of various types including small diesels.
Seems to me a highlight of this thread is the way we all identify different reasons/opinions for our choices of car... and funnily enough the reason I did NOT by a diesel isn't related to anything written here so far... it's a totally different reason again, and something I think I will start another thread with because it will (hopefully) generate some good chit-chat between the 'diesel -v- ULP' crowd
Post by: davet on September 05, 2008, 14:54:12
(I'm also in IT but unemployed by trade!). Of course everyone has their own motives in deciding what car to buy (and manipulates them to get the desired outcome!!). For me, diesel suits my style of driving, which make it easier for me to justify (despite the increasing discrepancy between diesel and petrol prices in Oz at the moment). If I am honest however, I use fuel consumption as an excuse to justify my purchase even though it probably doesn't add up financially, but the real reason for my buying decision is that I prefer the way the diesel drives vs the petrol and I'll make up any justification that I need for my decision!!
(Now I'll get back to listening to my vinyl - CDs will never sound as good....)
Post by: eye30 on September 05, 2008, 16:28:48
What type of engine set up doesn't bother me so long as it starts on the turn of the key and goes with a bit of umph when needed.
With 5 years warranty, any engine issues should be covered so long as I can prove I've not been negligent, i.e. running with out oil.
Post by: donc on September 06, 2008, 00:45:11
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(Now I'll get back to listening to my vinyl - CDs will never sound as good....)In that... we are in total aggreement
Post by: Thumper on September 07, 2008, 07:07:02
I've taken the first device off in the exhaust system, taken photos, and did some research on the net. (Also asked some questions from those in the know)
My Australian i30 does NOT have a DPF (Diesel Particulate Filter).
My Australian i30 does have a COF (Catalyzed Oxidation Filter).
EDIT: What the i30 has is commonly referred to as a DOC (Diesel Oxidation Catalyst)
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Diesel engines
For compression ignition (i.e., Diesel) engines, the most commonly used catalytic converter is the diesel oxidation catalyst. The catalyst uses excess O2 (oxygen) in the exhaust gas stream to oxidize CO (Carbon Monoxide) to CO2 (Carbon Dioxide) and HC (hydrocarbons) to H2O (water) and CO2. These converters often reach 90% effectiveness, virtually eliminating diesel odor and helping to reduce visible particulates (soot), however they are incapable of reducing NOx as chemical reactions always occur in the simplest possible way, and the existing O2 in the exhaust gas stream would react first.
To reduce NOx on a compression ignition engine it is necessary to change the exhaust gas - two main technologies are used for this - selective catalytic reduction (SCR) and NOx (NOx) traps (or NOx Adsorbers).
Another issue for diesel engines is particulate (soot). This can be controlled by a soot trap or diesel particulate filter (DPF), as catalytic converters are unable to affect elemental carbon (however they will remove up to 90% of the soluble organic fraction). A clogging soot filter creates a lot of back pressure decreasing engine performance. However, once clogged, the filter goes through a regeneration cycle where diesel fuel is injected directly into the exhaust stream and the soot is burned off. After the soot has been burned off the regeneration cycle stops and injection of diesel fuel stops. This regeneration cycle should not affect performance of the engine.
(http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/5721/10048311pn4.jpg)
(http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/483/10048351fd9.jpg)
(http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/373/10048361fp6.jpg)
(http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/8624/10048461qf3.jpg)
(http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/1857/10048491fg5.jpg)
There you go.
Post by: TheBunyip on September 07, 2008, 07:26:48
One probably unsolvable mystery remains. Why did Hyundai Australia not explain this simple but important distinction when all those questions about CPF or DPF were asked?
For your efforts and generous posting of Photographs I can only repeat. Thank You Very Much.
Post by: Lakes on September 07, 2008, 07:58:14
I like someone that gets in and does what we are all to lazy to do and finds out the truth.
also the King of knowledge our Mate Bunyip can now sleep better :D
Cheers
Post by: Dazzler on September 07, 2008, 09:47:52
Post by: eye30 on September 07, 2008, 12:52:35
They have indicated they will have to order in fully synth oil for my service.
Post by: TheBunyip on September 08, 2008, 00:53:52
Not being a gambler my money is not at risk but I would not be surprised to discover that the Filter in the UK Exhaust system is the same one that is used in Australia. After all the same engine and almost identical published emission figures would imply that there is not much mechanical difference between them. The particulate figures for the i30, which are inside the Euro4 range, fits well with what Thumper has dug up on Diesel Oxidation Catalysts. Particulate figures for cars from the PSA/Ford family which use a different technology are much lower.
The Higher Cetane rating and (currently) lower Sulphur of UK Diesel should mean that UK i30s run with cleaner exhausts.
UK - Cetane =51 Sulphur =10ppm
AU - Cetane =46 Sulphur =50ppm (10ppm from 1/1/09)
It might be interesting to print off and show Thumper's photographs to your service tech and ask about a comparison with what is fitted in the UK?
I suspect you would raise a smile if you told them that Hyundai Australia had denied that the i30 had a filter when asked if it had a DPF.
Post by: Shambles on October 04, 2008, 16:52:44
Ah hahahahahahahahahaha :lol: :D :mrgreen: :lol: :lol:
I just answered my mobile phone and it was the new place I booked into.
It was a simple question they asked me.
"Is your Premium i30 fitted with a CPF?"
Buhahahahaha.
They're asking me :?
Post by: eye30 on October 04, 2008, 19:01:28
Quote from: "Shambles"
I said they need to determine if I have a Catalyzed Particle Filter and if so, would they be using ACEA C3 oil spec.
I just answered my mobile phone and it was the new place I booked into.
"Is your Premium i30 fitted with a CPF?"
They're asking me
What did you say? or is it not printable on a public site!!
My dealer said Yes and and to prove it they charged me the earth, or was it the cost of Saudi, for the oil.
Would be interested on what they say and whatever the answer - yes or no - could you ask them where they got their info from.
Post by: Shambles on October 04, 2008, 19:16:53
My reply was a simple one. I referred them to the question I did ask them when I booked her in, which was the same question they were asking me. Still, it shows that, despite them closing at 12:30 this afternoon, they continue to work on their booking info (it was several hours after they "closed" when they called me).
I've been under Fergie's duvet since that call trying to locate some sticker that might show what's required oil-wise. No clues in the engine department. But I did take the opportunity to see how easy it would be to fit the ECO CR adaptor.
Post by: eye30 on October 04, 2008, 19:49:32
Quote from: "Shambles"
I've been under Fergie's duvet since that call trying to locate some sticker that might show what's required oil-wise. No clues in the engine department
Likewise no stickers on my car.
The only place I've seen oil grade is in the Handbook.
Wasn't ???????? (can't remember who from OZ) going to take a look inside the exhaust pipe.
But I remember a posting stating that in OZ they had CPF, then another - NO CPF in OZ as not required for enviromental purpose like the European market.
Seems even Hy don't know whether they have them or not or even UK dealers!!!!
Post by: Shambles on October 04, 2008, 20:15:52
TBH I'm starting to not be concerned anymore whether I get fully synth or semi synth or even jelly synth, as long as I get the stamp of approval.
Post by: Dazzler on October 04, 2008, 23:48:20
Somewhere on here we did confirm no CPF in Aus but you guys definately have one in the UK. We need to use fully synthetic.. you need fully synthetic (but the low ash variety)
Post by: Thumper on October 05, 2008, 08:53:23
Quote from: "eye30"
Wasn't ???????? (can't remember who from OZ) going to take a look inside the exhaust pipe.
That was me, and yes, already posted pictures on the previous page.
Linky here (http://www.i30ownersclub.com/viewtopic.php?p=7674#p7674)
Post by: eye30 on October 05, 2008, 12:38:46
Post by: eye30 on October 05, 2008, 18:50:44
You put in your reg number or model and it will tell you if you have a CPF.
Best with Reg number as under model it shows 2 85kw models for 1.6 crdi. 1 with, 1 without.
Might be a similar site for other countries.
http://www.castrol.com/castrol/castrolh ... oryId=3205 (http://www.castrol.com/castrol/castrolhomepage.do?categoryId=3205)
http://www.castrol.com/castrol/iframe.d ... Id=7044829 (http://www.castrol.com/castrol/iframe.do?categoryId=9024084&contentId=7044829)
According to the site, with reg number, mine does have CPF!!!!
Post by: eye30 on October 05, 2008, 19:09:13
Quote from: "Shambles"
So I can expect more questions from my servicing agents then.
Point them to this website or you check and tell them!!!
Castrol UK/Ireland web site.
http://www.castrol.com/castrol/castrolh ... oryId=3205 (http://www.castrol.com/castrol/castrolhomepage.do?categoryId=3205)
http://www.castrol.com/castrol/iframe.d ... Id=7044829 (http://www.castrol.com/castrol/iframe.do?categoryId=9024084&contentId=7044829)
Put in your reg number and it will tell you if you have a CPF.
Best with Reg number as under model it shows 2 85kw models for 1.6 crdi. 1 with, 1 without.
Post by: kinesiologykid on October 06, 2008, 02:46:20
It is not in the Australian i30's because it was not required to meet emissions standards.
To buy separately would cost $000's because as well as the filter it needs lots of other stuff to match it, maybe the computer control?
If it was standard on the car it would cost much less.
I did not understand everything he said, a lot of it went right over my head, but he seems to know his stuff.
If any of you need more info I can send private message with the Victorian phone number, just dont want 50 people hassling them, better if one person knows the right questions to ask!
Post by: donc on October 07, 2008, 01:32:49
Quote from: "kinesiologykid"
It is not in the Australian i30's because it was not required to meet emissions standards.It's a real shame Hyundai chose not to be proactive and provide a DPF for the Australian market anyway (even better with a NOX absorber) - The i30 CRDI could have been a real environmental winner, yet without a filter it's just another polluting diesel pumping NOX and particulates into the atmosphere. Maybe retrofitting will be an option if the price of supply and the associated modification prerequisites reduce sufficiently? - I wouldn't want to see govt subsidies (our taxes) used for this purpose, although maybe manufacturers can reduce cost sufficiently to make the conversion viable?
Post by: LuciferDarklord on October 09, 2008, 13:35:15
(http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo286/i30ownersclub/NOCPF.jpg)
Post by: eye30 on October 09, 2008, 13:45:52
At least you know that your car doesn't have one.
So does this mean if you don't have the sticker you have one!!
Post by: Shambles on October 09, 2008, 19:17:27
Post by: eye30 on October 09, 2008, 19:55:03
Quote from: "Shambles"
eye30, can you confirm (from your service receipt) exactly what kind of oil was used, that it complied with C3 (ACEA) ?
Unfortunately the receipt only has "Engine Oil" 5.30 l @ £11.95/l ex VAT
When I booked in the service chap said mine was "special" oil not the usual oil they use on other Hy cars and would be ordered in.
When I paid I commented on the price and they said it was fully synthetic as per Hy UK requirements and no worries over warrant issues if the engine blew up.
BUT he did say my i30 had a CPF.
If I have time tomorrow I'll ring and ask what they actually used.
PS looking at the service schedule they gave me they only replaced the oil filter and oil. The rest was inspect or lubricate.
Has your garage come back to you with an answer yet?
Post by: Shambles on October 09, 2008, 20:02:36
Quote from: "eye30"
Has your garage come back to you with an answer yet?No. I'll call them soon.
Post by: eye30 on October 10, 2008, 16:55:57
Quote from: "eye30"
Quote from: "Shambles"eye30, can you confirm (from your service receipt) exactly what kind of oil was used, that it complied with C3 (ACEA) ?
Unfortunately the receipt only has "Engine Oil" 5.30 l @ £11.95/l ex VAT
When I booked in the service chap said mine was "special" oil not the usual oil they use on other Hy cars and would be ordered in.
When I paid I commented on the price and they said it was fully synthetic as per Hy UK requirements and no worries over warrant issues if the engine blew up.
BUT he did say my i30 had a CPF.
If I have time tomorrow I'll ring and ask what they actually used.
PS looking at the service schedule they gave me they only replaced the oil filter and oil. The rest was inspect or lubricate.
Has your garage come back to you with an answer yet?
Update:
By chance I was out and about today and called into Dealers.
They refilled with Q8 - 5w/30 fully synthetic oil to C3 grade.
Hope this helps you shambles.
Post by: Shambles on October 10, 2008, 17:38:38
Quote from: "eye30"
Update:Thanks very much for doing that eye30 - it's much appreciated.
By chance I was out and about today and called into Dealers.
They refilled with Q8 - 5w/30 fully synthetic oil to C3 grade.
Hope this helps you shambles.
I was hoping to see C3 and 5w/30, which I'll ensure my service guys adhere to
Post by: TheBunyip on October 11, 2008, 01:51:38
It looks as if there is more than a little confusion causing chaos here.
Without access to an i30 I cannot claim any basis for my speculation. But I am going to try anyhow.
I will bet (a small wager anyhow :D
Post by: Thumper on October 11, 2008, 03:45:30
What is attached on our i30 diesels is not a filter, as such, but a catalytic converter for diesels engines.
Hence, Diesel Oxidation Catalyst.
Sorry for the confusion.
Speak to any 'old hat' regarding diesels and they will all agree that there is no such thing as a catalytic converter for diesels engines. New technology has turned this right around. Now there is such a device, and by the looks of things, has been fitted to Diesel i30's world wide.
Why Hyundai did not fit a self regenerating DPF, I have no idea. (Would bring the i30 up to Euro5 spec) Might be because there are some markets in the world that still have crappy diesel being sold to the public? Hence a DOC works well with all diesel fuel types, where a DPF needs ultra low sulphur diesel.
So, the sooner we stop calling the device on the i30 diesel a 'Filter' and refer to it as a 'catalytic converter' the sooner we may stop this confusion.
Post by: ouri30 on October 11, 2008, 08:07:56
Bob
Post by: Lakes on October 11, 2008, 08:21:02
Post by: TheBunyip on October 11, 2008, 08:59:08
Causing Confusion. I think it was not you but the "other one". Whoever he or she happens to be. :lol:
Post by: Shambles on October 11, 2008, 11:13:00
I've done no such investigation
My Owners manual states that one of two oil grades have to be used, and it quotes grades for systems "with" and "without" a CPF.
Post by: eye30 on October 11, 2008, 12:40:22
Without CPF: API service CH-4 or above, ACEA B4
With CPF (Catalyzed Particulate filter): ACEA C3
So there must be 2 types of 1.6crdi's engines for the UK market.
I've just had my 1st service, 12 months, and my dealer tells me that my car has a CPF.
They refilled with ACEA C3 oil.
I can only accept their comments unless anyone can tell me where to look within the engine area or whether the VIN number has a code to confirm yes or no to a CPF.
Is it possible that the CPF is known by another name in other countries/markets or even different car manufacturer?
Post by: eye30 on October 11, 2008, 14:18:29
Quote from: "LuciferDarklord"
just got my diesel today. No CPF.. This is on the rocker cover
Has anyone else got this sticker on their diesel????
(http://i384.photobucket.com/albums/oo286/i30ownersclub/NOCPF.jpg)
Post by: Dazzler on October 11, 2008, 14:24:53
Post by: TheBunyip on October 12, 2008, 00:46:07
I am back to "muddy the waters" some more.
EuroActive .com in a piece on Euro 5 standards (a UK based news site about the EU) has this interesting observation
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* Making particulate filters compulsoryhere http://www.euractiv.com/en/transport/euro-5-emissions-standards-cars/article-133325
The emissions standards are always technology-neutral, which means that carmakers can use the technology of their choice to reduce emissions. At the time of their adoption, the Euro 4 standards were believed to require expensive particulate filters to be fitted onto diesel cars. But progress in the engine technology made it possible to meet the Euro 4 PM limit (25 mg/km) on most cars using advanced in-cylinder techniques and the diesel oxidation catalyst (DOC), without the need for a PM filter. Current Euro 5 proposals, however, given current technology, can only be achieved by fitting expensive filters to exhaust tubes.
Kia UK are advertising a version of the Cee'd with a 1.6 CRDi Diesel that has lower emissions. The CO2 figure of 119g/Km brings the annual Road Fund tax down from £99.00 to £35.00.
http://www.vcacarfueldata.org.uk/ lists both versions of the 1.6CRDi diesel while Hyundai UK http://www.hyundai.co.uk/newCars/i30/technical/does not yet appear to offer the LOW TAX version.
The lower PM figure for this low CO2 car of 0.012g/Km may or may not be achieved with the addition of a Particulate Filter in addition to the existing DOC.
The puzzlement continues.
PS I will be off line for the next week. I wonder what I will find here when I return. [/color]
Post by: Shambles on October 16, 2008, 19:04:30
Asked to see the jobsheet to make sure my alloys would get some attention. Note attached to jobsheet was a printout from HMUK which stated that care must be taken to ensure fully synthetic oil is used as the replacement engine lubricant. The chap said his engie's would check for the filter I'd mentioned, but that there are a lot of Suzuki models which have the CPF (they deal in Suzuki & Hyundai) so it's quite probable mine has one too.
Post by: eye30 on October 16, 2008, 19:08:53
Quote from: "Shambles"
Dropped Fergie off earlier for tomorrow's change of liquid etc.
Are you pinning?
Did they provide i10 as loan car?
Post by: eye30 on October 16, 2008, 19:10:27
Quote from: "Shambles"
Note attached to jobsheet was a printout from HMUK which stated that care must be taken to ensure fully synthetic oil is used as the replacement engine lubricant. The chap said his engie's would check for the filter I'd mentioned
Hopefully this will confirm or otherwise UK does/does not have CPF.
Post by: Shambles on October 16, 2008, 19:42:33
Quote from: "eye30"
Did they provide i10 as loan car?Err.. not exactly...
I got me a Suzuki Swift for my troubles :(
Post by: eye30 on October 18, 2008, 17:04:52
Quote from: "Shambles"
jobsheet was a printout from HMUK which stated that care must be taken to ensure fully synthetic oil is used as the replacement engine lubricant. The chap said his engie's would check for the filter I'd mentioned, ...........the CPF so it's quite probable mine has one too.
Any feedback from dealer on CPF?
Post by: Shambles on October 18, 2008, 17:06:47
Quote from: "eye30"
No engineering work is done there at weekends, so none yetQuote from: "Shambles"jobsheet was a printout from HMUK which stated that care must be taken to ensure fully synthetic oil is used as the replacement engine lubricant. The chap said his engie's would check for the filter I'd mentioned, ...........the CPF so it's quite probable mine has one too.
Any feedback from dealer on CPF?