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Title: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: chrisdarl on February 24, 2019, 18:11:00
I'm a new member here, and a relatively new i30 owner (12 months).

I bought a 1.6L Diesel 2014 (63 plate) Blue Drive with 50k miles on it, since then I have done 27k miles, a lot on the motorway (as with the previous owner apparently), and quite a bit within a busy city.

Some days the gears are absolutely fine, all gears! But increasingly over the last few months my gear selection is getting increasingly difficult / more frequent. Initially I just figured it may be down to 'the weather' or something but as it's getting more frequent I think it's best to get to the bottom of it, and maybe it's a common problem / others have experienced this and are able to give some advice or at least stop me from being sold a complete new clutch or tear down/rebuild as my local Hyundai advised to 'take a look'.

To describe what's happening;
- From stationary going in to 1st can be difficult, like the gear isn't engaging even when the pedal is all the way to the floor. Sometimes it just won't go in at all, to remedy, pumping the clutch 3-4 times seems to ease things, sometimes completely and the gear goes in smoothly other times there still seems to be some resistance there. Alternatively, sometimes I go into 2nd gear first, don't raise the clutch and then slip it in to 1st.
- From stationary, selecting reverse gear can be similar to the above, other times it can seem smooth to go in but then grinds. Removing the gear and pumping the clutch twice it the gear then seems to go in as normal.

I'm not super knowledgeable about cars / mechanics but quite a practical person so not too afraid of doing some investigation (my father in law is good with cars so can likely help with any suggestions out of my depth).

If I've missed anything, or need me to take any photos do please let me know.

Thank you all so much in advance.

Chris
Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: Dazzler on February 24, 2019, 21:41:08
Welcome Chris,

I'm not one of the techies on here (just one of the "bosses" - and you know what bosses are like..  :snigger:)

But, I think in view of the age and only moderate mileage of your vehicle it could just be a clutch adjustment or gear change linkage adjustment required rather than a new clutch.

One of our more knowledgeable members hopefully isn't away. So fingers crossed I am on the money and they can fill in the technicalities.


Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: tw2005 on February 25, 2019, 08:39:45
I'm wondering if the GD has a damper valve in the hydraulic circuit  like the FD. I guess when you go reverse and pedal to the floor it grinds?
Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: chrisdarl on February 25, 2019, 09:51:11
I'm wondering if the GD has a damper valve in the hydraulic circuit  like the FD. I guess when you go reverse and pedal to the floor it grinds?

1 out of 15 times it grinds when going into reverse other times it's completely smooth, seems to be inline with when I am issues with gears 1 and 2.

My biting point is very low, I don''t know if that's typical for a Hyundai? I would say ~2cm (maybe less) up and the car will bite.

I'm not sure what FD and GD means, sorry!
Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: Dazzler on February 25, 2019, 10:11:12
I'm wondering if the GD has a damper valve in the hydraulic circuit  like the FD. I guess when you go reverse and pedal to the floor it grinds?

1 out of 15 times it grinds when going into reverse other times it's completely smooth, seems to be inline with when I am issues with gears 1 and 2.

My biting point is very low, I don''t know if that's typical for a Hyundai? I would say ~2cm (maybe less) up and the car will bite.

I'm not sure what FD and GD means, sorry!

FD is series 1 (Basically pre 2012) GD is your model (2012 - 2016) Latest model (series 3) is PD
Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: tw2005 on February 25, 2019, 10:21:44
FD, GD and PD series.  generation 1 , 2 and now 3rd
You have the second generation from 2012 -17

I have the very first and  a number of us have reported difficult gear selection, very low bite point.

Turned out the damper valve gets weak and not all the hydraulic pressure arrives at the slave cylinder that operates the clutch. End result is less travel, clutch not fully disengaging.


This is on the FD, have a read

 :link: Low clutch bite point resolution (https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=41905.0)

41690-A5900

Looks like the damper is only on the diesel which you have so yes I think it could be the same issue.

Blanking it off is a cheap way to test and rectify , it will alter the clutch reengagement and be a little more abrupt until you recalibrate your left leg. The damper slows the reengagement for less shock.

Image as a guide, have not found a GD version but If you know where to find the clutch master cyl then then the valve setup should be similar

(http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg11/stkman_photos/clutch%201_zpsoiszfdln.jpg)



Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: chrisdarl on February 25, 2019, 10:48:56
Awesome, thanks. I came across that thread but as my experiences were slightly different I figured best to ask before I tinker with things I don't fully understand :wink:

I read a few posts saying that removing the damper could cause longer-term damage to the clutch, those users were happy enough to do so seeing as they had over 200k km on it and if it got them another 100k they're happy to change the clutch then.  As my mileage is still quite low, removing it entirely concerns me a little so I guess I'll see if I can get a replacement damper if not a new master cylinder.
Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: chrisdarl on February 25, 2019, 11:54:11
I've just been having a snoop under the bonnet and think I may have found it. Does this look right?

I have also attached a photo of what looks to be the reservoir and shown it's fill level. Could this be an issue?

(https://i.ibb.co/dmvZmh4/fill-level.jpg) (https://ibb.co/J3TZ3hj)

(https://i.ibb.co/w70SNvx/damper-location.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Mf2cDX3)
Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: eye30 on February 25, 2019, 16:21:56
What are the revs when trying to engage?

Could they be causing an issue




Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: chrisdarl on February 25, 2019, 19:56:52
What are the revs when trying to engage?

Could they be causing an issue

When trying to engage reverse? Probably my foot is fully down on the clutch, and the car will be idle so around 1,000rpm I think.
Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: tw2005 on February 25, 2019, 20:12:59
I've just been having a snoop under the bonnet and think I may have found it. Does this look right?

I have also attached a photo of what looks to be the reservoir and shown it's fill level. Could this be an issue?

(https://i.ibb.co/dmvZmh4/fill-level.jpg) (https://ibb.co/J3TZ3hj)

(https://i.ibb.co/w70SNvx/damper-location.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Mf2cDX3)
The level may be an issue if it's low enough to let air into the system, could also indicate a leak.  Two places could be master or slave cylinders. You'd have to check internal around the pedal pushrod and boot areas, fluid can get trapped within the boot and conceal the issue, likewise at the gearbox where the slave is bolted, you'd check under the boot for leakage.

You could top it back to the max and monitor any changes and over what time for clues.

You could also try bleeding the hydraulic system on the clutch and see if any improvement .

Air in the system would produce similar symptoms as a bad damper. The air will compress first before the hydraulics work .

Level alone is inconclusive I think at this point, it may have been only filled to there or with wear and tear with the level may drop as it adjusts although I'm not 100% on that with clutches.

Definitely in a braking system, as brake pads wear the pistons self adjust with discs and have to extend. That results in a level drop which when you put fresh pads in and compress the pistons back in the level returns high again.

If you blank off that damper you'll need to bleed the system anyway,you could try a bleed first and see or blank it and bleed and monitor the fluid level.


As for wear or damage to the clutch, yeah maybe, I'm sure there's  reasons it's in there. Blanking it proves the fault, if it's a dud then get a new one, problem solved.



Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: nzenigma on February 25, 2019, 20:54:42

I read a few posts saying that removing the damper could cause longer-term damage to the clutch,

 Utter Crap  :spitty:
Who posted? What experience do they have?
Unfortunately, the interweb is plagued by non-tech key board warriors; many, I suspect, haven't even got a driving licence .  :twisted:

Many diesels use a dual mass flywheel. One part is spring tensioned so that the vibrations when motor meets gearbox during a gear change are smoothed out. Essentially, it is for driver comfort.
 The dual mass has a limited life span, diminished further by rough use and especially from heat when towing or slipping the clutch. In the past, I have swapped to a solid flywheel for this reason.

Hyundai have been smart, they use the pictured damper for the same reason: Creature comfort and they have an ever lasting solid flywheel.  :goodjob2:

Hyundai use it on the i30 with the diesel or petrol motor ,....
 with one exception, i30 with DCT.  @Dazzler ,wait for the rattle  :whistler:


P.S, Gerard @tw2005 . Good stuff above mate  :goodjob2:  It looks like that GD damper has a bleed nipple on it.



Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: Dazzler on February 25, 2019, 21:55:39

Hyundai use it on the i30 with the diesel or petrol motor ,....
 with one exception, i30 with DCT.  @Dazzler ,wait for the rattle  :whistler:

All good @nzenigma I'll most likely have a 2020 or 2021 Camry Hybrid before that starts happening.  :whistler: :evil:
Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: nzenigma on February 25, 2019, 23:14:27

Hyundai use it on the i30 with the diesel or petrol motor ,....
 with one exception, i30 with DCT.  @Dazzler ,wait for the rattle  :whistler:

All good @nzenigma I'll most likely have a 2020 or 2021 Camry Hybrid before that starts happening.  :whistler: :evil:

 :undecided: Gee Dazz, cant lay a glove on you , can I?  :cool:

You may remember I was concerned about a Park and Neutral rattle in a DCT box in a 2015 GD (80,000Km). Not the actuators in the transmission as I initially thought, It is wear in the dual mass flywheel. Needs replacing.
Same as this lost dude wandering around his Volester

 :link: rattling clunking vibration sound on 2016 veloster turbo with 76k - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl6lcZYAY7I)

Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: Dazzler on February 26, 2019, 08:26:34

Hyundai use it on the i30 with the diesel or petrol motor ,....
 with one exception, i30 with DCT.  @Dazzler ,wait for the rattle  :whistler:

All good @nzenigma I'll most likely have a 2020 or 2021 Camry Hybrid before that starts happening.  :whistler: :evil:

 :undecided: Gee Dazz, cant lay a glove on you , can I?  :cool:

You may remember I was concerned about a Park and Neutral rattle in a DCT box in a 2015 GD (80,000Km). Not the actuators in the transmission as I initially thought, It is wear in the dual mass flywheel. Needs replacing.
Same as this lost dude wandering around his Volester

 :link: rattling clunking vibration sound on 2016 veloster turbo with 76k - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl6lcZYAY7I)

It's interesting they have a dual mass flywheel! I think that's a first for the i30. Not real keen on that idea. I get the impression they are more prone to issues than a standard one.  :undecided:
Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: tw2005 on February 26, 2019, 09:09:59

I read a few posts saying that removing the damper could cause longer-term damage to the clutch,

 Utter Crap  :spitty:
Who posted? What experience do they have?
Unfortunately, the interweb is plagued by non-tech key board warriors; many, I suspect, haven't even got a driving licence .  :twisted:

Many diesels use a dual mass flywheel. One part is spring tensioned so that the vibrations when motor meets gearbox during a gear change are smoothed out. Essentially, it is for driver comfort.
 The dual mass has a limited life span, diminished further by rough use and especially from heat when towing or slipping the clutch. In the past, I have swapped to a solid flywheel for this reason.

Hyundai have been smart, they use the pictured damper for the same reason: Creature comfort and they have an ever lasting solid flywheel.  :goodjob2:

Hyundai use it on the i30 with the diesel or petrol motor ,....
 with one exception, i30 with DCT.  @Dazzler ,wait for the rattle  :whistler:


P.S, Gerard @tw2005 . Good stuff above mate  :goodjob2:  It looks like that GD damper has a bleed nipple on it.
   @nzenigma  Gazz, I usually have a keen eye for a nipple but I think we may be in the cold on this one. Looks like an AC line pressure point.

Zoom in, you can see the rest of the line ducks behind the damper  :whistler:

(https://hyundai.7zap.com/ImgsWatermark/Imgs/Cats/HEURPA61/9797611.png)
Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: chrisdarl on February 26, 2019, 10:18:29

I read a few posts saying that removing the damper could cause longer-term damage to the clutch,

 Utter Crap  :spitty:
Who posted? What experience do they have?
Unfortunately, the interweb is plagued by non-tech key board warriors; many, I suspect, haven't even got a driving licence .  :twisted:

Many diesels use a dual mass flywheel. One part is spring tensioned so that the vibrations when motor meets gearbox during a gear change are smoothed out. Essentially, it is for driver comfort.
 The dual mass has a limited life span, diminished further by rough use and especially from heat when towing or slipping the clutch. In the past, I have swapped to a solid flywheel for this reason.

Hyundai have been smart, they use the pictured damper for the same reason: Creature comfort and they have an ever lasting solid flywheel.  :goodjob2:

Hyundai use it on the i30 with the diesel or petrol motor ,....
 with one exception, i30 with DCT.  @Dazzler ,wait for the rattle  :whistler:


P.S, Gerard @tw2005 . Good stuff above mate  :goodjob2:  It looks like that GD damper has a bleed nipple on it.
   @nzenigma  Gazz, I usually have a keen eye for a nipple but I think we may be in the cold on this one. Looks like an AC line pressure point.

Zoom in, you can see the rest of the line ducks behind the damper  :whistler:

(https://hyundai.7zap.com/ImgsWatermark/Imgs/Cats/HEURPA61/9797611.png)

Getting a little lost, the bleed nipple that you're unsure of, is this to the right of the damper? If so, I don't think this was on the same part. I will take a look and post another photo  :goodjob2:

Any guides out there anyone can point me towards for the process of bleeding?
Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: eye30 on February 26, 2019, 13:25:57
What are the revs when trying to engage?

Could they be causing an issue

When trying to engage reverse? Probably my foot is fully down on the clutch, and the car will be idle so around 1,000rpm I think.
My tick over when warm is circa 750 rpm.

Wonder if on the high side



Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: chrisdarl on February 26, 2019, 13:35:18
What are the revs when trying to engage?

Could they be causing an issue

When trying to engage reverse? Probably my foot is fully down on the clutch, and the car will be idle so around 1,000rpm I think.
My tick over when warm is circa 750 rpm.

Wonder if on the high side

It could well be that... I'll keep note when I'm in the car later / tomorrow and report back.
Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: Shambles on February 26, 2019, 13:57:09
Quote from: eye30
My tick over when warm is circa 750 rpm.

Wonder if on the high side

Yours is a petrol engine though...
Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: nzenigma on February 26, 2019, 20:20:20

Zoom in, you can see the rest of the line ducks behind the damper  :whistler:



You are right.   :faint: all those pictures from the boss  :mrgreen: Now I see nipples everywhere.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: tw2005 on February 26, 2019, 20:24:42

Zoom in, you can see the rest of the line ducks behind the damper  :whistler:



You are right.   :faint: all those pictures from the boss  :mrgreen: Now I see nipples everywhere.  :mrgreen:
:faint: I'm out, that southern air is starting to affect you, the border gates are still open  :winker:
Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: nzenigma on February 26, 2019, 20:31:49

It's interesting they have a dual mass flywheel! I think that's a first for the i30. Not real keen on that idea. I get the impression they are more prone to issues than a standard one.  :undecided:

It hadn't occurred to me either until I went on the hunt for this rattle.
Mark, my independent mechanic mate has replaced some associated with DCT rattle.

Normally there is a small amount of play that you can live with, but with  a  once cheap standard clutch replacement, these days you get quotes of $1000 +, because they also replace the flywheel.
Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: eye30 on February 26, 2019, 20:45:14
Quote from: eye30
My tick over when warm is circa 750 rpm.

Wonder if on the high side

Yours is a petrol engine though...
True

What should tick over be on diesel?



Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: chrisdarl on March 06, 2019, 15:56:33
Quote from: eye30
My tick over when warm is circa 750 rpm.

Wonder if on the high side

Yours is a petrol engine though...
True

What should tick over be on diesel?

Looking back at mine, it is ticking over at about 750-800rpm


Anyone got any suggestions on where to find the bleed nipple for clutch? I plan to try and tackle it this weekend
Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: tw2005 on March 06, 2019, 20:19:29
Quote from: eye30
My tick over when warm is circa 750 rpm.

Wonder if on the high side

Yours is a petrol engine though...
True

What should tick over be on diesel?

Looking back at mine, it is ticking over at about 750-800rpm


Anyone got any suggestions on where to find the bleed nipple for clutch? I plan to try and tackle it this weekend

slave cylinder ath the gearbox will have that, where the clutch release fork is, you'll see it, presume at the front of the gearbox

,(https://www.hyundaipartsdeal.com/resource?t=d&s=l&r=D0BBB43E058C81702F8619C21034BB6EE15FFF3A1632341E2589062FFC6C6BAAEAE86C8057D654F6)

(https://static.baza.farpost.ru/v/1525392070812_bulletin)
Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: tw2005 on March 06, 2019, 20:23:36
generic guide

 :link: How to Bleed a Clutch | YourMechanic Advice (https://www.yourmechanic.com/article/how-to-bleed-a-slave-cylinder-by-rocco-lovetere)

(https://d3vl3jxeh4ou3u.cloudfront.net/7%20-%20How%20to%20Bleed%20a%20Slave%20Cylinder%20-%20image%20showing%20gloved%20hand%20loosening%20the%20bleeder%20nipple%20using%20a%20line%20wrench.jpg)
Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: nzenigma on March 06, 2019, 21:05:41
Perfect advice.

Note ; If ever one holds a spanner,  the blue glove ( made in USA) is imperative.
Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: tw2005 on March 06, 2019, 21:18:55
Perfect advice.

Note ; If ever one holds a spanner,  the blue glove ( made in USA) is imperative.
  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: chrisdarl on March 06, 2019, 21:25:59
Thanks everyone! I'll get under the car and have a look for it

Is it recommended that I change the fluid as well? Is there a particular type I should buy?
Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: tw2005 on March 06, 2019, 21:42:07
Thanks everyone! I'll get under the car and have a look for it

Is it recommended that I change the fluid as well? Is there a particular type I should buy?
Probably going to be easier from the top especially if there is a splash guard under the engine bay. It's going to be centred on the box side.

Fluid, , what does the book / cap say? Dot 4?
Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: tw2005 on March 06, 2019, 21:51:04
Just checked what I have used, DOT 4. Never a bad idea doing a flush every now and then as this fluid is hydroscopic. One of those things often neglected,
Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: Doggie 1 on March 07, 2019, 01:09:18
I had those issues of the OP but it kept getting worse to the point where I couldn't engage first or reverse and the clutch take up point was immediately off the floor.
So last week a new clutch went in at 231,000 kms.
Drives like a new one now. Well, better actually, because the gearbox is not as tight as when new and changing gears is like a knife through butter and no more grinding going into reverse.  :D
Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: DragOn on March 07, 2019, 02:52:09
Hi all,
just weighing in on the subject as i had just come across the same issue on my sons 2009 FD petrol manual 2.0l, 120 000 Kms. If the GD manual has the same damper, this may help.

We had just purchased the car for him as his first car, and to get his manual licence.
The clutch was releasing/engaging about 2cm from the floor, and gear change was stiff/rough. The clutch itself was engaging properly so i did not suspect the clutch assembly was at fault.
After looking at various posts & videos, the conclusion was a faulty damper.

So 2 weeks ago I removed the assembly with the damper (just 1 clip and 1 pipe) and removed the damper whilst the assembly was on the bench.
I bought an engine sump plug to replace the damper. I had to order it in from Covs, as my local Supercheap did not have the size I needed on the shelf. It was a 16mm X 1.5 pitch.
Cost me around $14.00.

I replaced the assembly and bled using DOT 4 brake fluid.
**Hint** When bleeding, use a length of clear plastic tube over the end of the nipple, hanging down to a drain tray. This stops the fluid from making a huge mess. Also note that brake fluid is better than paint stripper at removing paint, so wash off any spray/splashes ASAP.

The end result is the pedal engages and disengages much higher up the pedal travel, and gear shift is smoother.
I will change the gear box oil soon, as it has probably never been done.

As a side note, i did look around for a replacement assembly/ damper but the cheapest I found was over $250.00.  :spitty:
There was also different assembly's depending on if it was LH or RH drive. LH drive was the most common, but different part number and shape.
BUT, the damper itself looks the same, and can be purchased for a lot cheaper than $250.00.

I found this one:  :link: CLUTCH Hydraulic Regulator Ass'y for Kia / Hyundai 416902H100 REGULATOR ASSY CLUTCH for elantra HD 2006 CEED 2006 I30 I30CW 2007-in Clutch & Accessories (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/CLUTCH-Hydraulic-Regulator-Ass-y-for-Kia-Hyundai-416902H100-REGULATOR-ASSY-CLUTCH-for-elantra-HD-2006/32960969729.html) for under $80 AU. I could just swap the new damper to replace the old one.
I have not decided as yet whether to get it or not, as the clutch feels fine at the moment.
Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: Paolo5 on March 07, 2019, 04:59:09
Does anyone know if the part that DragOn listed (or any other part listed somewhere else) fits an FD?
Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: DragOn on March 07, 2019, 07:40:49
Hi Paolo5, I believe the parts for the FD are as follows. For LHD or RHD.
The one I linked in the post above is for the LHD, but the damper itsef should be the same.

Thanks to tw2005 as I borrowed some some pics.
More info on the subject in other posts on the forum.
 :link: Clutch engaging too low. (https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=48826.30)
 :link: I30 clutch master cylinder (https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=50301.0)

(https://i.imgur.com/Jv2FTYL.png)
Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: Paolo5 on March 07, 2019, 08:51:55
Hi DragOn,
Many thanks for that.

It shows that the RHD part is for the 2 litre petrol i30...wonder if the diesel has the same part.

Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: tw2005 on March 07, 2019, 09:52:44
Hi DragOn,
Many thanks for that.

It shows that the RHD part is for the 2 litre petrol i30...wonder if the diesel has the same part.

41690-2H900
Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: tw2005 on March 07, 2019, 09:54:19
H100 is LHD
Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: Paolo5 on March 07, 2019, 21:17:36
Hi DragOn,
Many thanks for that.

It shows that the RHD part is for the 2 litre petrol i30...wonder if the diesel has the same part.

41690-2H900

I squinted and read the fine print. It doesn't include diesel...just 2000cc MPI engine.  :confused:
Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: tw2005 on March 07, 2019, 22:03:22
41690-2H900
Hi DragOn,
Many thanks for that.

It shows that the RHD part is for the 2 litre petrol i30...wonder if the diesel has the same part.

41690-2H900

I squinted and read the fine print. It doesn't include diesel...just 2000cc MPI engine.  :confused:

I don't understand what you're trying to say. 41690-2H900 is fitted to the manual diesel RHD and that's using my VIN as well
Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: DragOn on March 07, 2019, 22:58:03
Hi DragOn,
Many thanks for that.

It shows that the RHD part is for the 2 litre petrol i30...wonder if the diesel has the same part.

41690-2H900

I squinted and read the fine print. It doesn't include diesel...just 2000cc MPI engine.  :confused:

I just picked an excerpt from the list of vehicles as an example. It fits a RANGE of i30's.
I found the list here: https://kia.7zap.com/en/gen/ceed/seurped06/06:pt1 (https://kia.7zap.com/en/gen/ceed/seurped06/06:pt1),/mi/4141611/#41690
Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: Paolo5 on March 07, 2019, 23:24:34
41690-2H900
Hi DragOn,
Many thanks for that.

It shows that the RHD part is for the 2 litre petrol i30...wonder if the diesel has the same part.



41690-2H900

I squinted and read the fine print. It doesn't include diesel...just 2000cc MPI engine.  :confused:

I don't understand what you're trying to say. 41690-2H900 is fitted to the manual diesel RHD and that's using my VIN as well

Got it...thanks.

It is $410 from Hy Australia.  :crazy1:

Do you know if this part is the same as
 :link: TUCSON 06-10 SPORTAGE 06-10 GeNuiNe CLUTCH REGULATOR 416902E070 | eBay (https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/TUCSON-06-10-SPORTAGE-06-10-GeNuiNe-CLUTCH-REGULATOR-416902E070/111717116737?hash=item1a02dbeb41:g:3q0AAOSwMmBVoz1~)

Thanks,
Paolo5

Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: Paolo5 on March 07, 2019, 23:25:18
Hi DragOn,
Many thanks for that.

It shows that the RHD part is for the 2 litre petrol i30...wonder if the diesel has the same part.

41690-2H900

I squinted and read the fine print. It doesn't include diesel...just 2000cc MPI engine.  :confused:

I just picked an excerpt from the list of vehicles as an example. It fits a RANGE of i30's.
I found the list here: http://kia.7zap.com/en/gen/ceed/seurped06/06:pt1 (http://kia.7zap.com/en/gen/ceed/seurped06/06:pt1),/mi/4141611/#41690

That link doesn't open for me...
Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: tw2005 on March 08, 2019, 00:10:52
Hi DragOn,
Many thanks for that.

It shows that the RHD part is for the 2 litre petrol i30...wonder if the diesel has the same part.

41690-2H900

I squinted and read the fine print. It doesn't include diesel...just 2000cc MPI engine.  :confused:

I just picked an excerpt from the list of vehicles as an example. It fits a RANGE of i30's.
I found the list here: http://kia.7zap.com/en/gen/ceed/seurped06/06:pt1 (http://kia.7zap.com/en/gen/ceed/seurped06/06:pt1),/mi/4141611/#41690

That link doesn't open for me...

It's messed up,

 :link: CLUTCH MASTER CYLINDER (01/02) KIA CEED 06 (2006-) [General] (https://kia.7zap.com/en/gen/ceed/seurped06/06:pt1/mi/4141611/#41690)
Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: tw2005 on March 08, 2019, 00:22:31
41690-2H900
Hi DragOn,
Many thanks for that.

It shows that the RHD part is for the 2 litre petrol i30...wonder if the diesel has the same part.



41690-2H900

I squinted and read the fine print. It doesn't include diesel...just 2000cc MPI engine.  :confused:

I don't understand what you're trying to say. 41690-2H900 is fitted to the manual diesel RHD and that's using my VIN as well

Got it...thanks.

It is $410 from Hy Australia.  :crazy1:

Do you know if this part is the same as
 :link: TUCSON 06-10 SPORTAGE 06-10 GeNuiNe CLUTCH REGULATOR 416902E070 | eBay (https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/TUCSON-06-10-SPORTAGE-06-10-GeNuiNe-CLUTCH-REGULATOR-416902E070/111717116737?hash=item1a02dbeb41:g:3q0AAOSwMmBVoz1~)

Thanks,
Paolo5

That's to be expected, normally about 4 times what they really cost. There should be laws against it.

I would not be surprised though it the big scheme of things you could unscreww the valve portion and fit to the original if that body was wrong.

Or bypass the darn thing.

Because it's a RHD part you can't get it throughthe Korean outlets, but what if you just get  the LHD variant and unscrew that valve and put it on yours? It has to be the same valve because it's doing the same job on the same specced equipment, just that the wheel is on the wrong side.

The only difference is our assembly clamps on a plastic connector, the LHD is threaded pipe,

So for $50 USD from Koraps  or about $72 + the new 10% duty you can have one, then swap that valve portion over :goodjob2:
Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: Paolo5 on March 08, 2019, 02:48:29
Great advice...many thanks! :goodjob2:
Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: tw2005 on March 08, 2019, 03:19:53
 :whistler:
 :link: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection (https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=53888.msg481246#msg481246)

@Paolo5 @nzenigma
Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: Paolo5 on March 08, 2019, 03:34:29
:whistler:
 :link: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection (https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=53888.msg481246#msg481246)

@Paolo5 @nzenigma

$3.30 from Mopar!!!!!!!?  :crazy1:
Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: tw2005 on March 08, 2019, 03:42:04
:whistler:
 :link: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection (https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=53888.msg481246#msg481246)

@Paolo5 @nzenigma

$3.30 from Mopar!!!!!!!?  :crazy1:
Maybe , if available. Not entirely surprising, if MMAL quotes $20 here then that means it bloody cheap somewhere else.
My other favourite grey supplier is AMAYAMA, $12 but $15 freight means it's cheaper from the dealer.


(https://i.ibb.co/hDv45wb/amayama-damper-price.jpg) (https://ibb.co/QrGTBtL)
Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: nzenigma on March 08, 2019, 04:32:16
:whistler:
 :link: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection (https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=53888.msg481246#msg481246)

@Paolo5 @nzenigma

WoW! been a busy girl tw.  :goodjob:

Dragon was saying that pumping the pedal improved the clutch operation. That would indicate that air is in the system. In his case, just bleeding should solve the problem.
Thats not to say that Im against fitting a new damper or blanking it off .

Also, I have my doubts that the damper has much to do with saving transmission damage. Its a creature comfort issue. (ie Pussy Drivers   :cool:)

The damper does the same thing as a dual mass flywheel,  smooths the underfoot vibration.

There have  been  complaints by new 4x4 owners that Toyota, Nissan etc are fitting light duty clutches.
Again, its a nicer drive for the Wet Lawn 4x4 ers. But...
They stuff up when towing or off road. When the clutch heats up, it kills the dual mass flywheel.
Many owners then go to a solid flywheel and HD clutch.

As discussed with Dazz, the i30 DCT box  is driven by a dual mass flywheel. I watch with interest.  :scared:
Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: tw2005 on March 08, 2019, 04:58:20
:whistler:
 :link: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection (https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=53888.msg481246#msg481246)

@Paolo5 @nzenigma

WoW! been a busy girl tw.  :goodjob:

Dragon was saying that pumping the pedal improved the clutch operation. That would indicate that air is in the system. In his case, just bleeding should solve the problem.
Thats not to say that Im against fitting a new damper or blanking it off .

Also, I have my doubts that the damper has much to do with saving transmission damage. Its a creature comfort issue. (ie Pussy Drivers   :cool:)

The damper does the same thing as a dual mass flywheel,  smooths the underfoot vibration.

There have  been  complaints by new 4x4 owners that Toyota, Nissan etc are fitting light duty clutches.
Again, its a nicer drive for the Wet Lawn 4x4 ers. But...
They stuff up when towing or off road. When the clutch heats up, it kills the dual mass flywheel.
Many owners then go to a solid flywheel and HD clutch.

As discussed with Dazz, the i30 DCT box  is driven by a dual mass flywheel. I watch with interest.  :scared:
Maybe, pumping repeatedly may also mean the diaphram in the damper is not fully relaxing and build up more pressure ? When I left the tractor laid up, I thought air too, but no amount of bleeding would fix it and the damper bypass gave instant results. It actuallly deteriorated so bad on a trip home i almost could not select a gear stationary.

The two obvious things to try first would be bleed and/or damper removal

All I know is this little unknown valve is a weak link causing more trouble than it's worth  :goodjob2:
Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: nzenigma on March 08, 2019, 21:59:39

All I know is this little unknown valve is a weak link causing more trouble than it's worth  :goodjob2:

Yep that's what I'm alluding too.  :cool:
Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: DragOn on March 09, 2019, 04:43:34
:whistler:
 :link: Hyundai Clutch Damper Valve - low clutch bite point / difficult gear selection (https://www.i30ownersclub.com/forum/index.php?topic=53888.msg481246#msg481246)

@Paolo5 @nzenigma

WoW! been a busy girl tw.  :goodjob:

Dragon was saying that pumping the pedal improved the clutch operation. That would indicate that air is in the system. In his case, just bleeding should solve the problem.
Thats not to say that Im against fitting a new damper or blanking it off .

Also, I have my doubts that the damper has much to do with saving transmission damage. Its a creature comfort issue. (ie Pussy Drivers   :cool:)

The damper does the same thing as a dual mass flywheel,  smooths the underfoot vibration.

There have  been  complaints by new 4x4 owners that Toyota, Nissan etc are fitting light duty clutches.
Again, its a nicer drive for the Wet Lawn 4x4 ers. But...
They stuff up when towing or off road. When the clutch heats up, it kills the dual mass flywheel.
Many owners then go to a solid flywheel and HD clutch.

As discussed with Dazz, the i30 DCT box  is driven by a dual mass flywheel. I watch with interest.  :scared:

Hi nzenigma,
hate to be pedantic, but it was the OP not I who had to pump the pedal.
I removed the damper and replaced with sump plug, then bled. Fixed the issue.   :)
Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: mickd on March 09, 2019, 23:07:51

All I know is this little unknown valve is a weak link causing more trouble than it's worth  :goodjob2:

Yep that's what I'm alluding too.  :cool:

Might get in early and do it the next time Kate comes across in Ruby
 (2012 FD Trophy )   :goodjob:
Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: nzenigma on March 10, 2019, 00:24:40

Hi nzenigma,
hate to be pedantic, but it was the OP not I who had to pump the pedal.
I removed the damper and replaced with sump plug, then bled. Fixed the issue.   :)

Thanks mate, glad it worked for you. :goodjob:

 Easy to be imprecise, sorry.

By the end of the week, Gerard and I have read or worked on a dozen different problems.
We also do real work 7 days a week.

More often than not the exact problem has been covered in several earlier threads. ( this is one of them).
Therefore, we repeat ourselves or provide links to pages that, for some baffling reason, the digital generation is incapable of finding.

I personally have to speed read the posts to get back up to speed.
Im fallible.  But luckily we still have Gerard. :evil: :whistler:
Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: chrisdarl on May 27, 2019, 17:43:44
Thanks all for your help and advice. Sorry it has been a while since I updated! I've now removed the 'damper', replacing it with a M16x1.5 plug and bleed the system thoroughly (I took a few pictures so if anyone needs any, let me know). Unfortunately in my case no improvement whatsoever. I still need to pump the peddle and my biting point is right at the bottom. I'm assuming it's the master cylinder that needs replacing.... what do you all think? It looks pretty easy to access.

Hyundai dealers near me want £150 for the part, I'm unable to find it on eBay etc. anyone know of anywhere to get this cheaper in the UK? or any cars that use the same part as the i30 that may make it easier to find on somewhere like Eurocarparts? Just to remind it's a RHD i30 2013 model. I've attached a picture of the part in place, and the closest I've found online (although maybe only for a LHD?) is - http://koreanaparts.ru/sites/default/files/styles/product_medium/public/product/416053Z100KIAHYUNDAI.JPG (http://koreanaparts.ru/sites/default/files/styles/product_medium/public/product/416053Z100KIAHYUNDAI.JPG)

On another note, anyone tried replacing the seals in the master cylinder? If they have any can remember the kit they bought, I'd be tempted to give this a go...

Thanks in advance!

(https://i.ibb.co/n3JZqsS/20190510-161917.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jVXB9vF)


UPDATE:
Incase it helps others, Hyundai confirmed the part number for me which I was able to get a genuine new one on eBay for half the dealer price - 41605 3X900.

Hoping that it comes with a couple of new o-rings as I'd like to replace those at the same time. Anyone got any idea of what size those would be? The one that is on the end of the plastic connection (right angle piece coming from the back of the master cylinder) into the damper.
Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: chrisdarl on May 31, 2019, 19:22:05
Arrived today, but no o-rings. If anyone does know of the size for the part in my post above and if any particular type of o-ring is needed for hydraulics I'd greatly appreciate the info :-)
Title: Re: 2013/14 (newer shape) i30 - Clutch / Gear issues
Post by: tw2005 on June 01, 2019, 07:44:35
Arrived today, but no o-rings. If anyone does know of the size for the part in my post above and if any particular type of o-ring is needed for hydraulics I'd greatly appreciate the info :-)
if you really want to I could only suggest carefully removing the old o-rings to measure them up. If there's a bearing and seal shop that sells those items individually they may be able to do that. I had an old engine jack that neeeded o-rings and that's what I did.

SInce that damper removal and bleed has done nothing I'm reluctant to really offer too many more ideas, it must be a really weird setup Hyundai runs with or I'm too old fashioned but I've never had a manual car with Hydraulic setup that you could not adjust.

Throwing parts at  it , there's not many to choose from.  I think a few have already mentioned clutch replacement has solved some issues, but one other  thing worth mentioning since this is GD is check to see if there is an oil leak at the bottom of the bellhousing where it mates to the engine block.
 
Someone last week or so had gear changing issues and the gearbox was leaking around the  input shaft, oil contaminated the clutch which also would have caused it to not  release cleanly which then make gear changes difficult.

I'm not confident it's going to be the master if there's no fluid loss or evidence of leaks.

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