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THE GARAGE (SERVICE, MAINTENANCE & REPAIR) => GENERAL => Topic started by: guest12451 on July 30, 2019, 06:57:05
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Hi All,
Ok now let me promise in advance I've been a good little vegemite and searched by all the usual terms, have looked at a sticky related to older i30 keys and also searched high and low elsewhere on the internet. So go easy on kicking me in the butt saying the info is already there as I want to make sure I've got things straight before I get this ordered with someone.
Bought a use 2017 i30 PD (MY18) a few days ago - the owner only had one (1) of the two(2) OEM Hyundai Smart Keys - it thankfully is working 100% - looks identical to this (http://www.car-keys-online.com/product/930/hyundai-i30-smart-remote-key-2017-95430-g3100.html).
Need atleast one other key/remote organised and am wondering whats 'best' reasonable cost way to do this?
- Have emailed the local Hyundai dealer asking for a quote - haha I expect this to be the 'ceiling'
- Have emailed several local Locksmiths, who claim to do auto stuff as well asking or quote
- Am assuming 'cloning' existing key is most viable option, as vehicle probably still has 'lost' key programmed into it's ECU and so even if I bought another one and had cut to VIN+PIN (which I understand I can request Hyundai dealer provides to me - which seems logical as it is my property in any legal sense) that key/remote would still have to be programmed into the ECU.
I was looking in just a cursory way at buying the Chinese knockoff GDS VDI gadget but I am unsure if thats going to assist much at all and perhaps just muddies the water.
FWIW also happy to pay any forum member who has access to suitable services, would rather see my funds go to them than a 'stranger'.
Thanks in advance for any feedback. :-)
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Not sure we've had this discussion about a PD before so it'll be interesting to see what others come up with.
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Hi Nikko, As Trevor says, can't recall anyone chasing a replacement key for a PD, but can't imagine it being any different to getting one for a FD or GD version.
I am pretty confident one of the Auto locksmiths will come good with a competitive deal. Sourcing one via ebay or other online source then getting it programmed by the dealer or a locksmith might be cheaper but gets messy if it doesn't work.
Good luck, I'll follow this with interest. Hopefully you can at least halve what the dealer will quote.
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As Trevor says, can't recall anyone chasing a replacement key for a PD, but can't imagine it being any different to getting one for a FD or GD version.
Thanks for the replies gents - yes well it's a relief to me that there weren't any PD threads on this - searched high and low so I didn't pull the classic lazy newbie move.
Well I'm pretty good with IT/tech/mech stuff so am unsure of any exact differences between them - learning this key stuff is completely new to me - so I'm unsure exactly which keys will work? i.e is it a case of simply ensuring that the replacement key/fob operates on the exact correct frequency - in this case 433MHz or are their more electrical specs that need to be correct e.g correct transponder model.
Cloning seems the best path - as I've no way of knowing if the previous owner removed the 'lost' key from the car's ECU - so I have to assume he didn't. The car will only accept 2 programmed keys so that path is more complicated.
Am unsure if it's more complicated that a key for FD/GD but if the cost of the genuine key/fobs is indicative it certainly might be - as they seem a lot higher.....though whether it's a 'genuine' fob or not really doesn't worry me, if it works I'd happily use whatever.
I am pretty confident one of the Auto locksmiths will come good with a competitive deal.
Well at present atleast thats one of us - as I emailed off 3 or 4 local ones yesterday and atleast 2 have come back saying they don't do it. The dealer is looking into the cost for me - but as alluded to thats likely a case where I'll end up having to grab my ankles and cough. Being in a non-metro location complicates things as basically such 'new' stuff isn't widely supported, whereas in SYD, BNE, MEL it's so much more competitive and a normal request.
Sourcing one via ebay or other online source then getting it programmed by the dealer or a locksmith might be cheaper but gets messy if it doesn't work.
Yes, well that I understand - I'd hate to be a locksmith getting a customer turning up with some yumcha key then blaming them if there's issues with it - and lets face it if they don't make their money on marking up selling you the key, they're just going to charge more for the programming/labour - so it's really just robbing Peter to pay Paul. Unless I was able to source a genuine key/fob I'd be unlikely to try and foist my fob on them to work with - I don't think they could argue if I had the legit item.
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At least (I assume) time is on your side... If you urgently needed the second key it would obviously force you into paying top dollar. As a man who likes to save a dollar so he can spend (waste) it on something else, like you i would be happy to keep searching and investigating. :goodjob:
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At least (I assume) time is on your side
Your assumption is correct - no urgency as car is not even registered yet and I likely won't bother with that until I manage to sell the Corolla it's replacing. 1 fob is completely working and neither of us have ever lost an auto key - but well we all know how that goes. So yes I have luxury of trying to find a way that works without just going into dealer - thankfully.
As a man who likes to save a dollar so he can spend (waste) it on something else, like you i would be happy to keep searching and investigating.
Yes, I can empathise and while I might do some things 'on the cheap' I never cut corners on quality - I just often don't price in my time messing around with things finding said cheaper solution. Likewise I don't mind paying fiar rate for whatevers done but folks rorting you just because they perceive they can will motivate me to find someone else to do it i.e get the key next I'm in Sydney or Brisbane where I know it's available much more competitively.
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There's an automotive specialist locksmith near me on the Sunshine Coast.
I'll try to find time to call in and have a talk with him about it.
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Also, maybe @The Gonz might have some worthwhile input.
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I've designed DIY remote keys but not where they integrate with factory modules. The closest I came to that was a Peugeot and I triggered the action by patching my relay into the interior lock switch. Not sure the same approach will work on heavily integrated security and immobilisation.
Try googling for car fob cloning.
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There's an automotive specialist locksmith near me on the Sunshine Coast.
I'll try to find time to call in and have a talk with him about it.
Thats very kind of you BUT I'd hate you to do such a thing on my behalf - Sunshine Coast is a tad far for me as well. So look much thanks for the offer but I will try and find something a tad closer to me or atleast down SYD way, as I do travel there to visit the inlaws.
Try googling for car fob cloning.
Appreciate the advice, I'll have a look and see what I find.
PS. Ok googled car fob cloning, car key cloning etc and other than articles there to terrify people at thieves stealing their Mercedes from their driveway etc - there was very little on the actual methodology. haha maybe I just superglue the onoe fob I do have onto my ankle or similar - that way impossible to lose and won't get in the road too much. ;-) But seriously I think I will engrave or burn/melt a contact ph number on it just incase it's lost in interim - otherwise very tough to trace back to me.
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There's an automotive specialist locksmith near me on the Sunshine Coast.
I'll try to find time to call in and have a talk with him about it.
Thats very kind of you BUT I'd hate you to do such a thing on my behalf - Sunshine Coast is a tad far for me as well. So look much thanks for the offer but I will try and find something a tad closer to me or atleast down SYD way, as I do travel there to visit the inlaws.
Try googling for car fob cloning.
Appreciate the advice, I'll have a look and see what I find.
Yeah. I wasn't suggesting you come up here. Just that he might be able to give some advice. He's a nice bloke who has done a few key jobs for me over the years and was originally recommended by the Hyundai dealer across the road.
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Yeah. I wasn't suggesting you come up here. Just that he might be able to give some advice. He's a nice bloke who has done a few key jobs for me over the years and was originally recommended by the Hyundai dealer across the road.
Oh thats cool - I hate to just pick people like that for info, as thats their business - in theory via post would work - but you'd run the risk twice of items being lost in transit (as negligible as a premium postal service that should be) and though cloning should be fine that way you'd not be able to test with car. It should be cool as I've got a few people who 'claim' to do the service getting back to me - again super kind offer by you but it's just my style not to ask a stranger to go to such hassle for me. But much thanks. :-)
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Yeah. I wasn't suggesting you come up here. Just that he might be able to give some advice. He's a nice bloke who has done a few key jobs for me over the years and was originally recommended by the Hyundai dealer across the road.
Oh thats cool - I hate to just pick people like that for info, as thats their business - in theory via post would work - but you'd run the risk twice of items being lost in transit (as negligible as a premium postal service that should be) and though cloning should be fine that way you'd not be able to test with car. It should be cool as I've got a few people who 'claim' to do the service getting back to me - again super kind offer by you but it's just my style not to ask a stranger to go to such hassle for me. But much thanks. :-)
Trevor and I like helping, keeps us busy in retirement. :victory: (He's just an all around nice guy) :goodjob2:
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Yeah. I wasn't suggesting you come up here. Just that he might be able to give some advice. He's a nice bloke who has done a few key jobs for me over the years and was originally recommended by the Hyundai dealer across the road.
Oh thats cool - I hate to just pick people like that for info, as thats their business - in theory via post would work - but you'd run the risk twice of items being lost in transit (as negligible as a premium postal service that should be) and though cloning should be fine that way you'd not be able to test with car. It should be cool as I've got a few people who 'claim' to do the service getting back to me - again super kind offer by you but it's just my style not to ask a stranger to go to such hassle for me. But much thanks. :-)
No problem.
It would be a business proposition for the guy in that he knows I'd be happy to refer anyone on this forum to him if they're close enough.
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No problem.
It would be a business proposition for the guy in that he knows I'd be happy to refer anyone on this forum to him if they're close enough.
Oh well look I'll leave to your judgement then - I'm not having much luck with any of them at present - even the registered auto locksmiths after getting the info are either not replying at all or doing so once but then not coming back to me with anything. haha such are things going that even the local dealership who I asked to quote yesterday still hasn't gotten back to me.
Very confusing technical area indeed - I'm sure thats by design. Anyway hopefully some info starts to come in from these quote requests and I can take from there.
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Bought a use 2017 i30 PD (MY18) a few days ago - the owner only had one (1) of the two(2) OEM Hyundai Smart Keys - it thankfully is working 100% - '
Was this a private or dealer sale?
If private do you know whether the owner actually receive 2 keys and lost one?
If only received 1 then may be a check at original dealer garage they may still have it.
If dealer sale then could you not request them to provide a 2nd key as part of the sale by quoting the car is supplied with 2 keys due to security and insurance t&c's.
Did you receive a non smart key?
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Was this a private or dealer sale?
Private
If private do you know whether the owner actually receive 2 keys and lost one?
Seller to me was actually 2nd owner - stated they bought from original owner and only got 1 key - told me that the original owner advised they'd received 2 keys and lost one of them.
Did you receive a non smart key?
Received one 'smart key' which comprises the remote 3 buttoned fob and also the pull out cut key blade.
Have had a further 2 auto key experts come back to me and say they do not have the ability to do keys for this model.
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Have had a further 2 auto key experts come back to me and say they do not have the ability to do keys for this model.
Wow! that's a surprise! :crazy1:
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Oh boy its doing my nut in. I made the mistake of posting asking for assistance on a few other forums and it seems everyone's an expert telling em 'There's loads of i30 keys on Ebay", 'Its easy my local Mr Minit cuts keys" etc etc - you try to be nice but they just argue on and on - even have some guy arguing with me that the 2018 PD Eilte isn't a keyless start system despite his having never seen one and me having one in the garage - I couldn't make this stuff up.
Need to stay away from the 'dumb' forums where 12yr olds and drunk old ladies dole out the advice and just stick here for the car chat. Enough for tonight anyway - am suspecting I am not going to get this solved anytime soon other than via squealing like a Pig ('Deliverance' reference for the oldies) for the dealer! :disapp:
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Sounds a bit like Facebook... A guy actually asked what size his wheels were on one FB car site today... Fortunately most replies were polite in pointing out the obvious easy way to tell... :whistler:
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Sounds a bit like Facebook... A guy actually asked what size his wheels were on one FB car site today... Fortunately most replies were polite in pointing out the obvious easy way to tell...
Perhaps, though my relative reclusive nature has thankfully made it easy to avoid that site. Alas a lot of these pretty broadreaching forums (like Whirlpool and Ozbargain), while having convenience via many subject areas - you get people either essentially trolling or that feel they know better about very specific matters and will latch on to your own thread forcing you to agree that they do. In pretty short order you're left wishing you never posted there in the first place.
Anyway alas its another example of how folks do stuff online that 99.999% of them would never even considering face to face with that other person - but thats a whole different discussion in and of itself.
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Sounds a bit like Facebook... A guy actually asked what size his wheels were on one FB car site today... Fortunately most replies were polite in pointing out the obvious easy way to tell...
Perhaps, though my relative reclusive nature has thankfully made it easy to avoid that site. Alas a lot of these pretty broadreaching forums (like Whirlpool and Ozbargain), while having convenience via many subject areas - you get people either essentially trolling or that feel they know better about very specific matters and will latch on to your own thread forcing you to agree that they do. In pretty short order you're left wishing you never posted there in the first place.
Anyway alas its another example of how folks do stuff online that 99.999% of them would never even considering face to face with that other person - but thats a whole different discussion in and of itself.
Funny you should mention Whirlpool. I have generally found it a fairly good source of info, but like you say a lot of people on there that talk $hit too... I was so tempted to bite in the Hybrid Camry Thread the other day when some guy kept saying Hybrids are ok but the cost of maintaining them is a worry. Couldn't be further from the truth. Pretty much a sealed unit they are easier on the brakes and the drive train in general.. but I just bit my tongue! :twisted:
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Funny you should mention Whirlpool. I have generally found it a fairly good source of info,
It's excellent, honestly some of the most knowledgeable folks on a whole plethora of areas - but alas I think a few of the folks from the 'gaming' or I don't know what areas occasionally come over to other areas and really assert themselves.Now you like myself are perhaps a tad older and communicate in a manner thats different and also follow a different social norm of what to say and how to say it. Thus it can be like oil and water coming together.
I was so tempted to bite in the Hybrid Camry Thread the other day when some guy kept saying Hybrids are ok but the cost of maintaining them is a worry. Couldn't be further from the truth. Pretty much a sealed unit they are easier on the brakes and the drive train in general.. but I just bit my tongue!
Well now you see chomping on that particular bodily organ has never been something I've had much luck in mastering - I did find out in the past few years that I'm somewhat affected by Asperger's, which is a curious thing to discover though it helped make sense of many yrs of 'events'. Well your point is an excellent one as the best defence of the excellent Camry Hybrids is that they are the universal Oz choice for taxis - even in the old days it was the Falcon vs Commodores - but it's 99% Camry's now with the occasional Prius still lingering.
Alas I've never been good at just letting daft remarks and shots 'go through to the keeper' I feel (perhaps wrongly) that failing to reply is somehow conceding defeat to them - and in replying (even very civilly) you end up getting pulled in to a web of nonsense. It is kind of hard to have a rationale logic based discussion when the foundation for the other person is pure baseless nonsense - but anyway thats just one of those things.
FWIW another guy came back and said they couldn't do - my knowledge of this area isn't strong enough to know exactly what the hurdle is - but I can only assume there's a significant one there - anyway as established luckily no rush, so am sure some info will come along soon enough. Got to go plant an Avocado tree. :-)
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You've probably already seen this but Mr Minit says they have a number of locations set up to copy keys for cars with proximity start feature.
:link: Car Keys | Mister Minit (https://misterminit.co/keys-remotes/car-keys/)
There's also these guys.
http://replacementcarkeys.com.au/spare-keys?gclid=CjwKCAjw-ITqBRB7EiwAZ1c5U03f0RvqgHess1syWGQB2rtTnM2EjGc-1OX7nxooLgCwwUAo2jakqxoCe9YQAvD_BwE (http://replacementcarkeys.com.au/spare-keys?gclid=CjwKCAjw-ITqBRB7EiwAZ1c5U03f0RvqgHess1syWGQB2rtTnM2EjGc-1OX7nxooLgCwwUAo2jakqxoCe9YQAvD_BwE)
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You've probably already seen this but Mr Minit says they have a number of locations set up to copy keys for cars with proximity start feature.
Yes, you are right - I emailed them yesterday asking for a quote - they claim via some part of their main corporate website to have an automotive locksmith and you can contact them - so thats where I sent my quotation request.
There's also these guys.
I actually hadn't seen them - so much thanks I will shoot of a quote request from them now - appreciated!
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I'm somewhat affected by Asperger's,
You may or may not have picked up that I have Parkinson's Disease from a few mentions I've made on here.
One of the side affects is I don't cope well with complicated scenarios or confrontation. I need to keep things simple. So that is one of the reasons I now bite my tongue.
I also believe if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. Having had 3 wives I have also finally learnt that if in doubt whether to say something or not, don't.
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Ok well progress on this one is very, very, very slow.
Another auto locksmith came back and said - 'Nah, can't get the fob for it - got to go to dealer'. Through another forum, yes the one frequented by twits - a pretty learned guy posted at me and assisted - in short apparently;
- they're too new to have aftermarket fobs widely available yet, he seemed to feel a genuine fob would have to be sourced
- he got me to grab the FCC IDs for the working fob - apparently thats central to finding a working aftermarket fob. FWIW these are those:
FCC ID (https://fccid.io/NYOSYEC3FOB1608)
FCC ID more info (https://fccid.io/NCC/CCAE16LP1040T7)
Here's some pix of the internals of the fob, which he needed to get that info for me:
Internal fob pix (https://photos.app.goo.gl/7Xozz6vTiceH52Yr8)
I think out of the original 6 or 7 there's now only 2 locksmiths looking into this for me - am suspecting that I'm going to have to purchase a genuine fob:
Genuine 2017 i30 PD fob (https://www.mk3.com/hyundai-i30-2018-genuine-smart-remote-key-3buttons-433mhz-95440-g3100)
Then try and source someone who can cut/clone it from the existing one I have - dunno if that is going to be much harder than with a more common fob? I know certain cutting machines only do certain keys/frequencies etc. Complex area.
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FCC gives every radio transmitter device own ID. With that number it is easy to make sure you would get identical key fob you have right now. You can also find FCC test reports for devices with that ID from the FCC website. Those reports not help in this situation, but sometimes there are something interesting to look for to geeky people like me.
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Shame they're not as straightforward as cheap trainable garage door openers. The garage module when the right button is pressed reads and registers the code emitted by your new fob and away you go.
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That price for a genuine fob is pretty good. Might be worth getting a quote from several dealers to program one of those. Best case scenario maybe $50 would be great. Surely it couldn't be more than a $100. What is a genuine fob including programming from a dealer, $400 to $500? If so $140 to $200 all up would be a great result I reckon. :cool:
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That price for a genuine fob is pretty good. Might be worth getting a quote from several dealers to program one of those. Best case scenario maybe $50 would be great. Surely it couldn't be more than a $100. What is a genuine fob including programming from a dealer, $400 to $500? If so $140 to $200 all up would be a great result I reckon.
Great minds think alike so earlier in the day I've asked both the remaining locksmiths if they'd be able to program/cut the key from my existing one if I sourced the genuine Hyundai fob - it's just a matter of whether they have the machine thats capable of it - which I assume they should.
I can imagine they'll be less than impressed not being able to provide the hardware themselves, as obviously thats where they're able to mark up a lot - but as it is it seems they can't access the fob and so hopefully they're happy to just do what they can (the cutting/cloning) if I bring the fob....anyway haven't heard back yet so we'll see.
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That price for a genuine fob is pretty good. Might be worth getting a quote from several dealers to program one of those. Best case scenario maybe $50 would be great. Surely it couldn't be more than a $100. What is a genuine fob including programming from a dealer, $400 to $500? If so $140 to $200 all up would be a great result I reckon. :cool:
Not sure about the cost Dazz. We had to replace a key for my wife's 2012 Corolla. Remote Central Locking and transponder but no proximity or push start stuff. Still over $200 from my pet automotive locksmith.
The blank wasn't the large part of the cost.
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Jeepers! Expensive little buggers! :head_butt:
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A good friend with a good jig and lathe might be able to do the cutting, and the blanks are available on eBay for A$6-7 delivered.
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A good friend with a good jig and lathe might be able to do the cutting, and the blanks are available on eBay for A$6-7 delivered.
Oh alas the key blade is really the last of my concerns - I was actually going to post and ask what really is the use of them for a remote locked car - as I found that if I lock the car with the remote and then try and open it with the blade/key the alarm goes off and there'sno way to start it - so it's pretty much useless. The fob is the essential bit - so I was talking about the electronic 'cutting/cloning' of it from the existing working fob.
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Yes, understood, I was referring to the non-electronic part of the effort. For the electronics, I think someone here got the programming kit and was willing to lend it to members.
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Yes, understood, I was referring to the non-electronic part of the effort.
Oh sorry I wasn't aware - yes, well the thing with the key blade is I'm really unsure for this model of PD what the actual use of it is? Like I said the only thing that you can do with it is unlock the door - now the caveat being that assuming the car has been locked with the remote - unlocking the door even with the correct key will now set the alarm off and presumably activate the immobiliser as well. I believe on the Go and Active models the key would still have a purpose but it seems on the Elite and presumably the Premium as well the key's are a bit redundant and really only there for 'tradition'.
For the electronics, I think someone here got the programming kit and was willing to lend it to members.
Really? Well look if thats the case thats incredibly kind and generous of them - suffice to say I don't know if that still is the case but if so I'd happily pay for such a thing and obviously cover all postage costs etc. Don't know if/how I'd go about finding that person - suffice to say their kind offer might have lapsed, which is completely fine - anyway I suppose we'll see in due course.
FWIW I finally heard back from the Hyundai dealership - only took a full week for them to respond after I sent a gentle reminder - they quoted:
Key Fob 95440G3100 $ 576.35
Key insert 81999G3020 $ 40.85
Programming $ 71.50
Key cutting $ 49.50
Total $ 738.20
Pretty goddamn horrendous!!! I mean really if thats the cost for a Hyundai fob then whats a Porsche or Maserati worth?But atleast I have the correct part numbers now and can source them via 3rd parties and at worst case annoy dealer by taking them to them for cutting/processing. I was recommended to do this by a guy who seems savvy with this type of thing - so getting the exact part numbers and also an upper guide of the potential savings was the main rationale.
The dealer stated that they'd program the key into the ECU as a completely new key - not cloning.
Honestly though that is disgusting price gouging - considering they're getting them for likely 1/10th of the unit price - pretty shameful effort.
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just a thought could you use a second hand key from a wrecker and just purchase the key insert and then cut and program??
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just a thought could you use a second hand key from a wrecker and just purchase the key insert and then cut and program??
Yes, you could but unfortunately several issues - firstly, wreckers are very hard to search for parts - I've just checked the couple that do have searchable online inventories - no luck.
Second, it's a very rare part - only several cars within the PD line seem to have them - and hence there's very few wrecks with these. And even then it'd be tough to be certain it'd work. Wreckers also tend to be pretty smart in that they don't sell their parts for just what they cost them plus a bit - they find out what the genuine parts are through dealers and then mark back from this. So it'd almost certainly be cheaper to buy brand new item from OS - which is what i think I'll certainly do now that I know the part number.
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This has been a really interesting thread.. enjoying the journey.
Price gouging indeed! :crazy1:
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This has been a really interesting thread.. enjoying the journey.
Haha well atleast that makes one of us. I can't say I've derived quite the pleasure from it thus far.
Price gouging indeed! :crazy1:
Yeah thats really ordinary - anyway it was expected so it's not like it surprised me but it certainly won't have me wanting to give them any of my loyalty in the future. Haha I am kind of interested to see how I'd go if I did get the genuine fob by ordering OS and then took it to the dealer that quoted and said,"Ill take you up on the programming item in your quote - as thats all I need." I can imagine they'd be livid as they'd feel it's their god given right to provide any genuine keys....anyway I'd much prefer to not go through them at all so we'll see.
I had a bit of a long shot idea - as mentioned a while back the guy I bought the car from actually was the 2nd owner of it, having bought it from the 1st owners back in DEC18. He claimed when he bought it from them it only came with the single key, the 1st owners having only provided it. Luckily I had the contact details for those people via all the paperwork he'd given me so I penned a humbly worded email to them asking if on an off chance they'd happened to come across the other fob and offering a finders fee if they had managed to do so.
I reckon it's a complete longshot and all but certain to fail but very little risk vs high reward - so we'll see. Stranger things have happened. If that doesn't come in I'll order one of these genuine fobs from OS and then try and get it programmed/cloned here.
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That's a good idea contacting the 1st owner.. :cool:
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That's a good idea contacting the 1st owner.. :cool:
Yes, well I thought so too - alas it's now nearly a full week and despite having written a very humble message (apologising for contacting them and offering a reward) I have no received any reply - given there wasn't a bounceback I am figuring the person is likely just a jerk and doesn't have it - but I'll give a tad longer and then call the number I have - worst case scenario they find out I can be a jerk as well. ;-)
On the other fronts - very little progress......the only local guy who claims he can do auto keys for such cars, as apparently you need some kind of security clearance or licence - well for reasons best known to him after me giving him the VIN and the FCC ID's he's now gone completely AWOL on me - no replies to asking if he's still able to assist.
Then there's some complete geezer from a Sydney based mob, Replacement Car Keys - they are an absolutely PITA to deal with - honestly its either a retarded orangutan or a 11yr old communicating from their end. A simple, normal question of them takes are 5 back and forths to get answered. They clearly play games with you trying to overcharge if they think you're not aware of what it is they actually do - I'm still waiting to hear back from them as the orangutan must have wandered off for a banana - but I'd highly recommend avoiding them if possible - they're muppets!
I get the feeling folks who work in this area are used to absolutely shafting people who have lost their keys and so feel it's their 'birthright' to charge whatever they want without explanation - when you ask them what exactly their quote entails they take major offence to it. e.g for the quotes they gave(which was like pulling teeth to get) (which was a laughable $660 if they did all, $180 if I provided the genuine fob+security PINcode and with keyblade cut and $120 if I provided the genuine fob+PINcode+ no keyblade needed) - I asked this SYD based mob 3 times in a row crystal clear - for your quote is that a clone of the existing fob or a programming into the ECO of another key?
Apparently it's a pretty reasonable question as their very different and the former is inferior to the latter and also is much easier to do. Nah, they didn't like that question.
EDIT: Just got a msg from them now saying it' was for a new key programmed into the ECU as they claim you cannot clone these fobs.
HONESTLY if I knew exactly which machine to buy and it's wasn't crazy expensive - I think I'd strongly consider buying and doing myself - though I suspect the original plan of buying the genuine fob myself and then getting the dealer to program that in (which they quoted very good price on) makes most sense......haha just have to spring that on them at time of next service when they can hopefully be convinced to honour their quote as they're effectively charging me $350 for an oil change.
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If we hadn't followed your attempts to sort this from the start, you wouldn't believe it would you. :crazy1:
I've seen plenty of examples of your considered and concise communications on here and you've certainly given it a good shot. :crazy2:
If you can end up at least halving the $600 + dealer quote it will be worth it just on principle, but you will have earned every penny.
No wonder I was mostly highly considered (I think) by most of my past employers and customers. I used to bend over backwards to help where I could and went out of my way to keep them in the loop if there were any delays. :cool:
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If we hadn't followed your attempts to sort this from the start, you wouldn't believe it would you. :crazy1:
Well I think I said it earlier in this saga (and to be fair it could all be solved if I just happily paid the dealer the $700 or so but it's just emails and I don't expect to lose the single remaining fob I have so not too fussed on resolving ASAP) - I am amazed its so hard and expensive to get whats the only way you can start/use whats a very common and quite entry level car. And it's a 2017 model, not something thats just rolled off the boat direct from the factory floor.
I've seen plenty of examples of your considered and concise communications on here and you've certainly given it a good shot. :crazy2:
Well thats kind of you to say but I've plenty of time on my hands and also am happy to be rather 'verbose' in replying and somewhat thorough - as opposed to the borderline monosyllabic stuff that seems to now pass as professional communications from the folks I've 'lucked' into dealing with. I used to work in some pretty high end corporate sales stuff and also upper management - so I dunno I just try and do things properly as well it doesn't cost any more to do so...but hey thats just me. :-)
The trick and challenge is to bite one's tongue despite the fact you get treated like something the dog dragged in by a person who you would assume wants your patronage so they can earn an income - haha it at times with these people seems like I'm asking them to do me a huge favour - I dunno but the people I've dealt with have been very, very unimpressive in nearly all regards.
If you can end up at least halving the $600 + dealer quote it will be worth it just on principle, but you will have earned every penny.
This is true and it's funny you make that observation as sometimes I think I need to put an hourly $ figure on my effort into this stuff as if I just did as Joe Average does and worked into the Hyundai dealership and paid what they asked I'd have the fob, a lighter wallet, a few less grey hairs and a bunch of hours back...but as they say the pleasure is in the journey not the destination. :undecided:
No wonder I was mostly highly considered (I think) by most of my past employers and customers. I used to bend over backwards to help where I could and went out of my way to keep them in the loop if there were any delays. :cool:
That doesn't surprise me from what little I've been able to observe of you in the very limited time I've been in these here parts - I'm a tad the same way and get myself in issues with folks when I go beyond the call of duty and then feel this was not appreciated - but thats another discussion altogether.
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My personal opinion is the only way to go is a new key supplied and programmed by a dealer. Using a cloned key still leaves the old key programmed and working with the potential but unlikely occurrence of the previous owner stealing it. A dealer will program your new key and delete the old. You could buy the blank from the parts department and just get the service department to program it for you. You could then take the keys to a lock smith and have them cut the blank. This will save you a few $ but it would be easier to just get the dealer to do it all.
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My personal opinion is the only way to go is a new key supplied and programmed by a dealer. Using a cloned key still leaves the old key programmed and working with the potential but unlikely occurrence of the previous owner stealing it. A dealer will program your new key and delete the old.
I hear you but I tend to think there's other ways to consider first - I'll grant you it'd certainly be the most simple way. As mentioned earlier, the previous owners are 500KM+ away if they wanted to come and steal it - which'd be a heck of a plan for a lil ole i30 - good luck to them.
Seeing as the same OEM key is ~$550 from dealer and it looks like maybe ~$100 delivered from OS - it's something worth looking into (as I am).
I've already gotten the Hyundai dealer to confirm in writing that their quote is still good if I don't get all of it from them - so I'd be happy for them to do the programming. Anyway we'll see....
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Try contacting Hyundai and asking for a one off special price for the key as you really need a spare but are struggling to come up with the exorbitant amount of money they want. I used to ask customers to do this all the time when I was working at a Dealership (not Hyundai) and even had an internal contact for special price considerations on certain high dollar items. It could be worse I once waited 2 weeks for a Chrysler Crossfire key to be made and sent from Germany at a cost of over $1000 and the stupid thing is at Mercedes the same key could usually be had within 24hrs for way less money and that was 11 years ago so I hate to think how much they would be now.
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Try contacting Hyundai and asking for a one off special price for the key as you really need a spare but are struggling to come up with the exorbitant amount of money they want. I used to ask customers to do this all the time when I was working at a Dealership (not Hyundai) and even had an internal contact for special price considerations on certain high dollar items. It could be worse I once waited 2 weeks for a Chrysler Crossfire key to be made and sent from Germany at a cost of over $1000 and the stupid thing is at Mercedes the same key could usually be had within 24hrs for way less money and that was 11 years ago so I hate to think how much they would be now.
It's handy to know such things exist but IMHO if they did reduce it'd still be a lot more expensive than the genuine OEM key from OS. So as I'm in no rush I'm going to play that path out first.
Yes, there's no logical linkage between the brand and actual item costs - somewhat odd. Appreciate the suggestion though, good outside the box idea.
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I'm sure you've done your homework but just double check the transmitter is the same frequency and compatible as when I was at Chrysler/Jeep we would get people bringing in remotes and immobiliser keys bough OS for us to program that would not work. There is a great site called partsouq.com that you can look up parts for many makes on by using a VIN. It is not foolproof but is a great resource I have used on many jobs.
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I'm sure you've done your homework but just double check the transmitter is the same frequency and compatible as when I was at Chrysler/Jeep we would get people bringing in remotes and immobiliser keys bough OS for us to program that would not work. There is a great site called partsouq.com that you can look up parts for many makes on by using a VIN. It is not foolproof but is a great resource I have used on many jobs.
Thanks mate - thats appreciated but yes it's been a PITA enough process that I've thankfully picked up some good info from kind folks like yourself along the way - so I have identified the correct FCC ID for the fob and am ensuring that the replacement is tracked down via that and also the genuine part number, which Hyundai quoted on here - so pretty sure I know exactly what to get but I have bookmarked that site for future usage, so thanks.
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FWIW on a related issue I got an email confirmation from Hyundai Australia that there is NO CHARGE from Hyundai delaerships for your Security PIN code for key cutting.
Customer Care (Hyundai Customer Care)
Aug 15, 4:59 PM AEST
Hi Nicholas,
Thanks for your email, apologies for the confusion as there are no charges if you are requesting the key cut code from the dealer. Apologies as I had got this confused with radio pin codes which is a separate matter.
Kind regards,
Leilani Mataipule
Social Media Specialist
Hyundai Motor Company Australia
:link: Customer Care Centre (http://customercare.hyundai.com.au)
Phone: 1800 186 306
So hopefully that can assist if anyone in the future needs to get theirs. :-)