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Re: Catalyzed Particulate Filter
« Reply #60 : October 10, 2008, 11:55:57 »
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eye30, can you confirm (from your service receipt) exactly what kind of oil was used, that it complied with C3 (ACEA) ?

Unfortunately the receipt only has "Engine Oil" 5.30 l @ 11.95/l ex VAT

When I booked in the service chap said mine was "special" oil not the usual oil they use on other Hy cars and would be ordered in.

When I paid I commented on the price and they said it was fully synthetic as per Hy UK requirements and no worries over warrant issues if the engine blew up.

BUT he did say my i30 had a CPF.

If I have time tomorrow I'll ring and ask what they actually used.

PS looking at the service schedule they gave me they only replaced the oil filter and oil.  The rest was inspect or lubricate.


Has your garage come back to you with an answer yet?


Update:

By chance I was out and about today and called into Dealers.

They refilled with Q8 - 5w/30 fully synthetic oil to C3 grade.

Hope this helps you shambles.
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Re: Catalyzed Particulate Filter
« Reply #61 : October 10, 2008, 12:38:38 »
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Update:

By chance I was out and about today and called into Dealers.

They refilled with Q8 - 5w/30 fully synthetic oil to C3 grade.

Hope this helps you shambles.
Thanks very much for doing that eye30 - it's much appreciated.

I was hoping to see C3 and 5w/30, which I'll ensure my service guys adhere to  :)
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Re: Catalyzed Particulate Filter
« Reply #62 : October 10, 2008, 20:51:38 »
Hi All,

It looks as if there is more than a little confusion causing chaos here.

Without access to an i30 I cannot claim any basis for my speculation. But I am going to try anyhow.

I will bet (a small wager anyhow :D

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Re: Catalyzed Particulate Filter
« Reply #63 : October 10, 2008, 22:45:30 »
Ok, I think I've confused people here when I said back on page 1 "Catalyzed Oxidation Filter"

What is attached on our i30 diesels is not a filter, as such, but a catalytic converter for diesels engines.

Hence, Diesel Oxidation Catalyst.

Sorry for the confusion.

Speak to any 'old hat' regarding diesels and they will all agree that there is no such thing as a catalytic converter for diesels engines. New technology has turned this right around. Now there is such a device, and by the looks of things, has been fitted to Diesel i30's world wide.

Why Hyundai did not fit a self regenerating DPF, I have no idea. (Would bring the i30 up to Euro5 spec) Might be because there are some markets in the world that still have crappy diesel being sold to the public? Hence a DOC works well with all diesel fuel types, where a DPF needs ultra low sulphur diesel.

So, the sooner we stop calling the device on the i30 diesel a 'Filter' and refer to it as a 'catalytic converter' the sooner we may stop this confusion.  :P

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Re: Catalyzed Particulate Filter
« Reply #64 : October 11, 2008, 03:07:56 »
Well put Bunyip and Thumper,

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Re: Catalyzed Particulate Filter
« Reply #65 : October 11, 2008, 03:21:02 »
A guy was telling me, a lot of diesels that have the filter tend to use more fuel. that could be a reason too.

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Re: Catalyzed Particulate Filter
« Reply #66 : October 11, 2008, 03:59:08 »
Hi Thumper,

Causing Confusion. I think it was not you but the "other one". Whoever he or she happens to be. :lol:

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Re: Catalyzed Particulate Filter
« Reply #67 : October 11, 2008, 06:13:00 »
Hey BunYip.

I've done no such investigation  :roll:

My Owners manual states that one of two oil grades have to be used, and it quotes grades for systems "with" and "without" a CPF.
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Re: Catalyzed Particulate Filter
« Reply #68 : October 11, 2008, 07:40:22 »
All I know is in my handbook it quotes under lubricants for the 1.6l and 2.0l diesel engine:

Without CPF: API service CH-4 or above, ACEA B4
With CPF (Catalyzed Particulate filter): ACEA C3

So there must be 2 types of 1.6crdi's engines for the UK market.

I've just had my 1st service, 12 months, and my dealer tells me that my car has a CPF.

They refilled with ACEA C3 oil.

I can only accept their comments unless anyone can tell me where to look within the engine area or whether the VIN number has a code to confirm yes or no to a CPF.

Is it possible that the CPF is known by another name in other countries/markets or even different car manufacturer?
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Re: Catalyzed Particulate Filter
« Reply #69 : October 11, 2008, 09:18:29 »
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just got my diesel today.  No CPF..  This is on the rocker cover

Has anyone else got this sticker on their diesel????

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Re: Catalyzed Particulate Filter
« Reply #70 : October 11, 2008, 09:24:53 »
Reckon it's our fault eye... appears to be a new thing in Aus
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Re: Catalyzed Particulate Filter
« Reply #71 : October 11, 2008, 19:46:07 »
Hi All,

I am back to "muddy the waters" some more.

EuroActive .com in a piece on Euro 5 standards (a UK based news site about the EU) has this interesting observation
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   * Making particulate filters compulsory

The emissions standards are always technology-neutral, which means that carmakers can use the technology of their choice to reduce emissions. At the time of their adoption, the Euro 4 standards were believed to require expensive particulate filters to be fitted onto diesel cars. But progress in the engine technology made it possible to meet the Euro 4 PM limit (25 mg/km) on most cars using advanced in-cylinder techniques and the diesel oxidation catalyst (DOC), without the need for a PM filter. Current Euro 5 proposals, however, given current technology, can only be achieved by fitting expensive filters to exhaust tubes.
here http://http://www.euractiv.com/en/transport/euro-5-emissions-standards-cars/article-133325

Kia UK are advertising a version of the Cee'd with a 1.6 CRDi Diesel that has lower emissions. The CO2 figure of 119g/Km brings the annual Road Fund tax down from 99.00 to 35.00.

http://http://www.vcacarfueldata.org.uk/ lists both versions of the 1.6CRDi diesel while Hyundai UK http://http://www.hyundai.co.uk/newCars/i30/technical/does not yet appear to offer the LOW TAX version.

The lower PM figure for this low CO2 car of 0.012g/Km may or may not be achieved with the addition of a Particulate Filter in addition to the existing DOC.

The puzzlement continues. :D

PS I will be off line for the next week. I wonder what I will find here when I return. [/color]

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Re: Catalyzed Particulate Filter
« Reply #72 : October 16, 2008, 14:04:30 »
Dropped Fergie off earlier for tomorrow's change of liquid etc.

Asked to see the jobsheet to make sure my alloys would get some attention. Note attached to jobsheet was a printout from HMUK which stated that care must be taken to ensure fully synthetic oil is used as the replacement engine lubricant. The chap said his engie's would check for the filter I'd mentioned, but that there are a lot of Suzuki models which have the CPF (they deal in Suzuki & Hyundai) so it's quite probable mine has one too.
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Re: Catalyzed Particulate Filter
« Reply #73 : October 16, 2008, 14:08:53 »
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Dropped Fergie off earlier for tomorrow's change of liquid etc.

Are you pinning?

Did they provide i10 as loan car?
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Re: Catalyzed Particulate Filter
« Reply #74 : October 16, 2008, 14:10:27 »
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Note attached to jobsheet was a printout from HMUK which stated that care must be taken to ensure fully synthetic oil is used as the replacement engine lubricant. The chap said his engie's would check for the filter I'd mentioned


Hopefully this will confirm or otherwise UK does/does not have CPF.
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Re: Catalyzed Particulate Filter
« Reply #75 : October 16, 2008, 14:42:33 »
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Did they provide i10 as loan car?
Err.. not exactly...  

I got me a Suzuki Swift for my troubles  :(
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Re: Catalyzed Particulate Filter
« Reply #76 : October 18, 2008, 12:04:52 »
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jobsheet was a printout from HMUK which stated that care must be taken to ensure fully synthetic oil is used as the replacement engine lubricant. The chap said his engie's would check for the filter I'd mentioned, ...........the CPF  so it's quite probable mine has one too.


Any feedback from dealer on CPF?
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« Reply #77 : October 18, 2008, 12:06:47 »
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jobsheet was a printout from HMUK which stated that care must be taken to ensure fully synthetic oil is used as the replacement engine lubricant. The chap said his engie's would check for the filter I'd mentioned, ...........the CPF  so it's quite probable mine has one too.


Any feedback from dealer on CPF?
No engineering work is done there at weekends, so none yet
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