Hi All,

Ok now let me promise in advance I've been a good little vegemite and searched by all the usual terms, have looked at a sticky related to older i30 keys and also searched high and low elsewhere on the internet. So go easy on kicking me in the butt saying the info is already there as I want to make sure I've got things straight before I get this ordered with someone.

Bought a use 2017 i30 PD (MY18) a few days ago - the owner only had one (1) of the two(2) OEM Hyundai Smart Keys -  it thankfully is working 100% - looks identical to this.

Need atleast one other key/remote organised and am wondering whats 'best' reasonable cost way to do this?

- Have emailed the local Hyundai dealer asking for a quote - haha I expect this to be the 'ceiling'
- Have emailed several local Locksmiths, who claim to do auto stuff as well asking or quote
- Am assuming 'cloning' existing key is most viable option, as vehicle probably still has 'lost' key programmed into it's ECU and so even if I bought another one and had cut to VIN+PIN (which I understand I can request Hyundai dealer provides to me - which seems logical as it is my property in any legal sense) that key/remote would still have to be programmed into the ECU.

I was looking in just a cursory way at buying the Chinese knockoff GDS VDI gadget but I am unsure if thats going to assist much at all and perhaps just muddies the water.

FWIW also happy to pay any forum member who has access to suitable services, would rather see my funds go to them than a 'stranger'.

Thanks in advance for any feedback. :-)

[Surferdude]

Not sure we've had this discussion about a PD before so it'll be interesting to see what others come up with.

[Dazzler]

Hi Nikko, As Trevor says, can't recall anyone chasing a replacement key for a PD, but can't imagine it being any different to getting one for a FD or GD version.

I am pretty confident one of the Auto locksmiths will come good with a competitive deal. Sourcing one via ebay or other online source then getting it programmed by the dealer or a locksmith might be cheaper but gets messy if it doesn't work.

Good luck, I'll follow this with interest. Hopefully you can at least halve what the dealer will quote.

As Trevor says, can't recall anyone chasing a replacement key for a PD, but can't imagine it being any different to getting one for a FD or GD version.

Thanks for the replies gents - yes well it's a relief to me that there weren't any PD threads on this - searched high and low so I didn't pull the classic lazy newbie move.

Well I'm pretty good with IT/tech/mech stuff so am unsure of any exact differences between them - learning this key stuff is completely new to me - so I'm unsure exactly which keys will work? i.e is it a case of simply ensuring that the replacement key/fob operates on the exact correct frequency - in this case 433MHz or are their more electrical specs that need to be correct e.g correct transponder model.

Cloning seems the best path - as I've no way of knowing if the previous owner removed the 'lost' key from the car's ECU - so I have to assume he didn't. The car will only accept 2 programmed keys so that path is more complicated.

Am unsure if it's more complicated that a key for FD/GD but if the cost of the genuine key/fobs is indicative it certainly might be - as they seem a lot higher.....though whether it's a 'genuine' fob or not really doesn't worry me, if it works I'd happily use whatever.

I am pretty confident one of the Auto locksmiths will come good with a competitive deal.

Well at present atleast thats one of us - as I emailed off 3 or 4 local ones yesterday and atleast 2 have come back saying they don't do it. The dealer is looking into the cost for me - but as alluded to thats likely a case where I'll end up having to grab my ankles and cough.  Being in a non-metro location complicates things as basically such 'new' stuff isn't widely supported, whereas in SYD, BNE, MEL it's so much more competitive and a normal request.

Sourcing one via ebay or other online source then getting it programmed by the dealer or a locksmith might be cheaper but gets messy if it doesn't work.

Yes, well that I understand - I'd hate to be a locksmith getting a customer turning up with some yumcha key then blaming them if there's issues with it - and lets face it if they don't make their money on marking up selling you the key, they're just going to charge more for the programming/labour - so it's really just robbing Peter to pay Paul.  Unless I was able to source a genuine key/fob I'd be unlikely to try and foist my fob on them to work with - I don't think they could argue if I had the legit item.

[Dazzler]

At least (I assume) time is on your side... If you urgently needed the second key it would obviously force you into paying top dollar. As a man who likes to save a dollar so he can spend (waste) it on something else, like you i would be happy to keep searching and investigating. 

At least (I assume) time is on your side

Your assumption is correct - no urgency as car is not even registered yet and I likely won't bother with that until I manage to sell the Corolla it's replacing. 1 fob is completely working and neither of us have ever lost an auto key - but well we all know how that goes. So yes I have luxury of trying to find a way that works without just going into dealer  - thankfully.

As a man who likes to save a dollar so he can spend (waste) it on something else, like you i would be happy to keep searching and investigating.

Yes, I can empathise and while I might do some things 'on the cheap' I never cut corners on quality - I just often don't price in my time messing around with things finding said cheaper solution. Likewise I don't mind paying fiar rate for whatevers done but folks rorting you just because they perceive they can will motivate me to find someone else to do it i.e get the key next I'm in Sydney or Brisbane where I know it's available much more competitively.

[Surferdude]

There's an automotive specialist locksmith near me on the Sunshine Coast.
I'll try to find time to call in and have a talk with him about it.

[Surferdude]

Also, maybe @The Gonz  might have some worthwhile input.

[The Gonz]

I've designed DIY remote keys but not where they integrate with factory modules. The closest I came to that was a Peugeot and I triggered the action by patching my relay into the interior lock switch. Not sure the same approach will work on heavily integrated security and immobilisation.

Try googling for car fob cloning.

There's an automotive specialist locksmith near me on the Sunshine Coast.
I'll try to find time to call in and have a talk with him about it.

Thats very kind of you BUT I'd hate you to do such a thing on my behalf - Sunshine Coast is a tad far for me as well. So look much thanks for the offer but I will try and find something a tad closer to me or atleast down SYD way, as I do travel there to visit the inlaws.

Try googling for car fob cloning.

Appreciate the advice, I'll have a look and see what I find.

PS. Ok googled car fob cloning, car key cloning etc and other than articles there to terrify people at thieves stealing their Mercedes from their driveway etc - there was very little on the actual methodology.  haha maybe I just superglue the onoe fob I do have onto my ankle or similar - that way impossible to lose and won't get in the road too much. ;-)    But seriously I think I will engrave or burn/melt a contact ph number on it just incase it's lost in interim - otherwise very tough to trace back to me.

[Surferdude]

There's an automotive specialist locksmith near me on the Sunshine Coast.
I'll try to find time to call in and have a talk with him about it.

Thats very kind of you BUT I'd hate you to do such a thing on my behalf - Sunshine Coast is a tad far for me as well. So look much thanks for the offer but I will try and find something a tad closer to me or atleast down SYD way, as I do travel there to visit the inlaws.

Try googling for car fob cloning.

Appreciate the advice, I'll have a look and see what I find.

Yeah. I wasn't suggesting you come up here. Just that he might be able to give some advice. He's a nice bloke who has done a few key jobs for me over the years and was originally recommended by the Hyundai dealer across the road.

Yeah. I wasn't suggesting you come up here. Just that he might be able to give some advice. He's a nice bloke who has done a few key jobs for me over the years and was originally recommended by the Hyundai dealer across the road.

Oh thats cool - I hate to just pick people like that for info, as thats their business - in theory via post would work - but you'd run the risk twice of items being lost in transit (as negligible as a premium postal service that should be) and though cloning should be fine that way you'd not be able to test with car.  It should be cool as I've got a few people who 'claim' to do the service getting back to me - again super kind offer by you but it's just my style not to ask a stranger to go to such hassle for me. But much thanks. :-)

[Dazzler]

Yeah. I wasn't suggesting you come up here. Just that he might be able to give some advice. He's a nice bloke who has done a few key jobs for me over the years and was originally recommended by the Hyundai dealer across the road.

Oh thats cool - I hate to just pick people like that for info, as thats their business - in theory via post would work - but you'd run the risk twice of items being lost in transit (as negligible as a premium postal service that should be) and though cloning should be fine that way you'd not be able to test with car.  It should be cool as I've got a few people who 'claim' to do the service getting back to me - again super kind offer by you but it's just my style not to ask a stranger to go to such hassle for me. But much thanks. :-)

Trevor and I like helping, keeps us busy in retirement.    (He's just an all around nice guy) 

[Surferdude]

Yeah. I wasn't suggesting you come up here. Just that he might be able to give some advice. He's a nice bloke who has done a few key jobs for me over the years and was originally recommended by the Hyundai dealer across the road.

Oh thats cool - I hate to just pick people like that for info, as thats their business - in theory via post would work - but you'd run the risk twice of items being lost in transit (as negligible as a premium postal service that should be) and though cloning should be fine that way you'd not be able to test with car.  It should be cool as I've got a few people who 'claim' to do the service getting back to me - again super kind offer by you but it's just my style not to ask a stranger to go to such hassle for me. But much thanks. :-)

No problem.
It would be a business proposition for the guy in that he knows I'd be happy to refer anyone on this forum to him if they're close enough.

No problem.
It would be a business proposition for the guy in that he knows I'd be happy to refer anyone on this forum to him if they're close enough.

Oh well look I'll leave to your judgement then - I'm not having much luck with any of them at present - even the registered auto locksmiths after getting the info are either not replying at all or doing so once but then not coming back to me with anything.  haha such are things going that even the local dealership who I asked to quote yesterday still hasn't gotten back to me.

Very confusing technical area indeed - I'm sure thats by design. Anyway hopefully some info starts to come in from these quote requests and I can take from there.

[eye30]

Bought a use 2017 i30 PD (MY18) a few days ago - the owner only had one (1) of the two(2) OEM Hyundai Smart Keys -  it thankfully is working 100% - '

Was this a private or dealer sale?

If private do you know whether the owner actually receive 2 keys and lost one?

If only received 1 then may be a check at original dealer garage they may still have it.

If dealer sale then could you not request them to provide a 2nd key as part of the sale by quoting the car is supplied with 2 keys due to security and insurance t&c's.

Did you receive a non smart key?

Was this a private or dealer sale?

Private

If private do you know whether the owner actually receive 2 keys and lost one?

Seller to me was actually 2nd owner - stated they bought from original owner and only got 1 key - told me that the original owner advised they'd received 2 keys and lost one of them.

Did you receive a non smart key?

Received one 'smart key' which comprises the remote 3 buttoned fob and also the pull out cut key blade.

Have had a further 2 auto key experts come back to me and say they do not have the ability to do keys for this model.

[Dazzler]

Have had a further 2 auto key experts come back to me and say they do not have the ability to do keys for this model.

Wow! that's a surprise! 

Oh boy its doing my nut in. I made the mistake of posting asking for assistance on a few other forums and it seems everyone's an expert telling em 'There's loads of i30 keys on Ebay", 'Its easy my local Mr Minit cuts keys" etc etc - you try to be nice but they just argue on and on - even have some guy arguing with me that the 2018 PD Eilte isn't a keyless start system despite his having never seen one and me having one in the garage - I couldn't make this stuff up.

Need to stay away from the 'dumb' forums where 12yr olds and drunk old ladies dole out the advice and just stick here for the car chat. Enough for tonight anyway - am suspecting I am not going to get this solved anytime soon other than via squealing like a Pig ('Deliverance' reference for the oldies) for the dealer!   

[Dazzler]

Sounds a bit like Facebook... A guy actually asked what size his wheels were on one FB car site today... Fortunately most replies were polite in pointing out the obvious easy way to tell... 

Sounds a bit like Facebook... A guy actually asked what size his wheels were on one FB car site today... Fortunately most replies were polite in pointing out the obvious easy way to tell...

Perhaps, though my relative reclusive nature has thankfully made it easy to avoid that site. Alas a lot of these pretty broadreaching forums (like Whirlpool and Ozbargain), while having convenience via many subject areas - you get people either essentially trolling or that feel they know better about very specific matters and will latch on to your own thread forcing you to agree that they do.  In pretty short order you're left wishing you never posted there in the first place.

Anyway alas its another example of how folks do stuff online that 99.999% of them would never even considering face to face with that other person - but thats a whole different discussion in and of itself.

[Dazzler]

Sounds a bit like Facebook... A guy actually asked what size his wheels were on one FB car site today... Fortunately most replies were polite in pointing out the obvious easy way to tell...

Perhaps, though my relative reclusive nature has thankfully made it easy to avoid that site. Alas a lot of these pretty broadreaching forums (like Whirlpool and Ozbargain), while having convenience via many subject areas - you get people either essentially trolling or that feel they know better about very specific matters and will latch on to your own thread forcing you to agree that they do.  In pretty short order you're left wishing you never posted there in the first place.

Anyway alas its another example of how folks do stuff online that 99.999% of them would never even considering face to face with that other person - but thats a whole different discussion in and of itself.

Funny you should mention Whirlpool. I have generally found it a fairly good source of info, but like you say a lot of people on there that talk $hit too... I was so tempted to bite in the Hybrid Camry Thread the other day when some guy kept saying Hybrids are ok but the cost of maintaining them is a worry. Couldn't be further from the truth. Pretty much a sealed unit they are easier on the brakes and the drive train in general.. but I just bit my tongue! 

Funny you should mention Whirlpool. I have generally found it a fairly good source of info,

It's excellent, honestly some of the most knowledgeable folks on a whole plethora of areas - but alas I think a few of the folks from the 'gaming' or I don't know what areas occasionally come over to other areas and really assert themselves.Now you like myself are perhaps a tad older and communicate in a manner thats different and also follow a different social norm of what to say and how to say it. Thus it can be like oil and water coming together.

I was so tempted to bite in the Hybrid Camry Thread the other day when some guy kept saying Hybrids are ok but the cost of maintaining them is a worry. Couldn't be further from the truth. Pretty much a sealed unit they are easier on the brakes and the drive train in general.. but I just bit my tongue!

Well now you see chomping on that particular bodily organ has never been something I've had much luck in mastering - I did find out in the past few years that I'm somewhat affected by Asperger's, which is a curious thing to discover though it helped make sense of many yrs of 'events'. Well your point is an excellent one as the best defence of the excellent Camry Hybrids is that they are the universal Oz choice for taxis - even in the old days it was the Falcon vs Commodores - but it's 99% Camry's now with the occasional Prius still lingering.

Alas I've never been good at just letting daft remarks and shots 'go through to the keeper' I feel (perhaps wrongly) that failing to reply is somehow conceding defeat to them - and in replying (even very civilly)  you end up getting pulled in to a web of nonsense. It is kind of hard to have a rationale logic based discussion when the foundation for the other person is pure baseless nonsense - but anyway thats just one of those things.

FWIW another guy came back and said they couldn't do - my knowledge of this area isn't strong enough to know exactly what the hurdle is - but I can only assume there's a significant one there - anyway as established luckily no rush, so am sure some info will come along soon enough. Got to go plant an Avocado tree. :-)

[Surferdude]

You've probably already seen this but Mr Minit says they have a number of locations set up to copy keys for cars with proximity start feature.

Car Keys | Mister Minit

There's  also these guys.

http://replacementcarkeys.com.au/spare-keys?gclid=CjwKCAjw-ITqBRB7EiwAZ1c5U03f0RvqgHess1syWGQB2rtTnM2EjGc-1OX7nxooLgCwwUAo2jakqxoCe9YQAvD_BwE

You've probably already seen this but Mr Minit says they have a number of locations set up to copy keys for cars with proximity start feature.

Yes, you are right - I emailed them yesterday asking for a quote - they claim via some part of their main corporate website to have an automotive locksmith and you can contact them - so thats where I sent my quotation request.

There's  also these guys.

I actually hadn't seen them - so much thanks I will shoot of a quote request from them now - appreciated!

[Dazzler]

I'm somewhat affected by Asperger's,

You may or may not have picked up that I have Parkinson's Disease from a few mentions I've made on here.

One of the side affects is I don't cope well with complicated scenarios or confrontation. I need to keep things simple. So that is one of the reasons I now bite my tongue.

I also believe if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all. Having had 3 wives I have also finally learnt that if in doubt whether to say something or not, don't.

Ok well progress on this one is very, very, very slow.

Another auto locksmith came back and said - 'Nah, can't get the fob for it - got to go to dealer'.   Through another forum, yes the one frequented by twits - a pretty learned guy posted at me and assisted - in short apparently;
- they're too new to have aftermarket fobs widely available yet, he seemed to feel a genuine fob would have to be sourced
- he got me to grab the FCC IDs for the working fob - apparently thats central to finding a working aftermarket fob. FWIW these are those:
FCC ID
FCC ID more info

Here's some pix of the internals of the fob, which he needed to get that info for me:
Internal fob pix

I think out of the original 6 or 7 there's now only 2 locksmiths looking into this for me - am suspecting that I'm going to have to purchase a genuine fob:
Genuine 2017 i30 PD fob
Then try and source someone who can cut/clone it from the existing one I have - dunno if that is going to be much harder than with a more common fob?  I know certain cutting machines only do certain keys/frequencies etc.  Complex area.

[sundiz]

FCC gives every radio transmitter device own ID. With that number it is easy to make sure you would get identical key fob you have right now. You can also find FCC test reports for devices with that ID from the FCC website. Those reports not help in this situation, but sometimes there are something interesting to look for to geeky people like me.

[The Gonz]

Shame they're not as straightforward as cheap trainable garage door openers. The garage module when the right button is pressed reads and registers the code emitted by your new fob and away you go.

[Dazzler]

That price for a genuine fob is pretty good. Might be worth getting a quote from several dealers to program one of those. Best case scenario maybe $50 would be great. Surely it couldn't be more than a $100. What is a genuine fob including programming from a dealer, $400 to $500? If so $140 to $200 all up would be a great result I reckon.