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Oil type and first service (1500km)
« November 14, 2019, 19:23:31 »
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My i30 Nline 1.6T (petrol) is due for its first service soon (1500km) and I have decided to do an oil change. Happy to hear from people who think this is waste.

Oddly enough, the service using their oil is $159, but the service using my own oil is $143. Firstly, is $159 decent for an interim service (oil+oil filter) change plus the little inspection they do at 1500km? It makes no sense to supply my own oil (which I was hoping to do) if the difference is only $16 + cost of own oil. There is only one other Hyundai Dealer in Canberra but I really donít want to look into that as they were terrible when I visited during the buying process so Iíd prefer to stick to the dealer I bought the car new from as they were quite good (service means a lot to me). For the actual first service 1yr/10k kms they minus $60 if I provide my own oil which is more like it.

Secondly, Iíve been doing a great deal of research regarding which oil would be best for this car. Iíve read most of the threads here and a bit elsewhere but it is just so confusing! The manual as well as a sticker on the engine says Hyundai Recommends Shell Ultra. But, the manual also states that for the 1.6T that ACEA A5/B5 is best (which Shell Ultra is not). The 5w30 (also rec in the manual) is C3, whereas the 5w40 is ACEA A3/B4, A3/B3. Iíve sent emails to both Shell and Hyundai to see what they suggest. The manual does say that when A5/B5 isnít available in your country you can use A3/B4. Just odd they recommend an oil that doesnít fit the ACEA rating that they also recommend. Has anyone got any updated experience or suggestion with this? In terms of API the manual doesnít say a thing. The Shell Ultra 5w30 is API SN and the 5w40 is API SM/CF. I understand you can use C3 where ACEA A3/B4 is allowed Ė so the 5w30 does meet requirements but not preference, which is just odd.

Anyway, seems as the first service is only $16 less if I provide my own oil I might just stick with their oil which the service department informed me is Valvoline SynPower FE 5W-30. Seems to fit the ACEA A5/B5 in the manual but is API SL/CF which is ILSAC GF-3. Does anyone have any thoughts or experience with this oil? It looks like a decent oil from what I can see. I did read that Valvoline is not great for extended drain periods?

SAE 5W-30, API SL/CF, ACEA A5/B5, Ford WSS-M2C-913 C, B, A, Fiat 9.55535.G1

:link: SynPower FE 5W-30 - Full Synthetic Engine Oil | Valvoline

Seems this Valvoline oil is used extensively by FORD. Hyundai service department said this is the oil the turbos get at Hyundai.

Would love to hear peoples thoughts on all of this.

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Re: Oil type and first service (1500km)
« Reply #1 : November 14, 2019, 23:22:13 »
Crazy! Seeing as the 1500 service is normally just a free inspection I'd be asking how they can justify that charge if you supply own oil. I'd supply own filter too.

Why not get a friendly independent to do the oil change and document it in the book or kerp all the receipts for oil filter and labour
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« Reply #2 : November 15, 2019, 01:01:11 »
I think it was $90 Dave paid to have oil changed at the first complimentary service via Car Giant, he used the Penrite 5W-30 A5B5 I suggested :)

A5B5 is a more modern Euro 6 spec low emissions oil which supersedes A1B1-A3B3-A3B4 in petrol and diesel engines.

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« Reply #3 : November 15, 2019, 01:12:17 »
Thanks guys! Yeah I know ridiculous price for an oil change and filter! To be honest if Iím not getting the inspection and oil done at the same place Iím not sure I would bother with the oil change. Is a 1500km oil drop the consensus around here? I wouldnít have the time just before Xmas to do both unfortunately!

Yeah itís odd the oil HY suggest isnít actually A5B5. I did look at the Penrite oil actually but Iíve read mixed reviews about it - just like all oils I guess!

 I was also reading about how the i30 has a direct injection turbo, so LSPI may be a consideration in oil choice and to lookfor SN +... which the valvoline my service department is not (SL/CF). Any thoughts on this?
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« Reply #4 : November 15, 2019, 01:25:42 »
Is a 1500km oil drop the consensus around here?

Yeah itís odd the oil HY suggest isnít actually A5B5.
I personally like to replace oil at first inspection, the first 1500 is the break in period which is more critical imo...really comes down to how long you're wishing to keep your vehicle.

The first complimentary service doesn't include oil as this would cost the company, same reason they're not using A5B5 in their servicing as it all comes down to cost.

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« Reply #5 : November 15, 2019, 01:58:23 »
Iím in 2 minds about dropping the oil at 1500km mainly due to the cost of supplying my own oil I guess at the dealer I guess and Iím not sold on the Valvoline oil they use.

Would you saying given the LSPI that acquiring an API rating of SN would take preference over using A5/B5? For e.g. helix ultra is C3 but rated SN whereas the valvoline is A5/B5 but only rated SL.

From what I can interpret, A5 may be better for emissions and economy but C3 SN will be a bit better for the engine.. I could be wrong of course.

The saga continues  :crazy1:
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« Reply #6 : November 15, 2019, 02:40:31 »
Isn't the C3 more for vehicles with DPF  :undecided:

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C3 is suitable for petrol as well I can see from a brief check up on the specs, as for the other spec codes I've no idea...I'd just use what the book states A5B5 and you'll know you are covered :goodjob2:
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« Reply #7 : November 15, 2019, 06:47:31 »
Iím in 2 minds about dropping the oil at 1500km mainly due to the cost of supplying my own oil I guess at the dealer I guess and Iím not sold on the Valvoline oil they use.

Would you saying given the LSPI that acquiring an API rating of SN would take preference over using A5/B5? For e.g. helix ultra is C3 but rated SN whereas the valvoline is A5/B5 but only rated SL.

From what I can interpret, A5 may be better for emissions and economy but C3 SN will be a bit better for the engine.. I could be wrong of course.

The saga continues  :crazy1:
Saga? Could be just making hard work of something fairly straight forward. Does the owners manual have this note in it? (yes, it does  :agoodjob:)

If the ACEA A5/B5 engine oil is not available in your country, you are able to use ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4.

Because Shell is having a special promo and it's 5W40 . Pureplus tech and used by Ferrari, gotta be good :mrgreen:


 



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« Reply #8 : November 15, 2019, 06:51:45 »
Here's your C3, I prefer Scott's image  :whistler: Same price

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« Reply #9 : November 15, 2019, 07:16:15 »
Yeah, iíve seen both of those oils and had a look at their specs. I guess I was trying to understand why HY state helix is the preferred oil but neither of those oils are A5/B5 - and they also state that A5 is the preferred ACEA spec (with A3/B3 allowed if A5 isnít available - which it is). Trying to get a sense of which recommendation people are following and which one holds more weight. Both my manual and the sticker on my engine say to use helix. Just didnít make sense to me and wasnít straight forward I guess.

I think I will just follow the A5/B5 spec @CraigB which would mean the service depts oil would fit nicely. It is odd they said that if A5 isnít available you can use a3 - as they are 2 very completely different spec oils. I did provide HY with my VIN before and they are getting back to me so that will be interesting.
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« Reply #10 : November 15, 2019, 07:35:18 »
Yeah, iíve seen both of those oils and had a look at their specs. I guess I was trying to understand why HY state helix is the preferred oil but neither of those oils are A5/B5 - and they also state that A5 is the preferred ACEA spec (with A3/B3 allowed if A5 isnít available - which it is). Trying to get a sense of which recommendation people are following and which one holds more weight. Both my manual and the sticker on my engine say to use helix. Just didnít make sense to me and wasnít straight forward I guess.
all mine are diesels , gets rather interesting with DPFs and what you can and can't use. So many specs now, I'd be  confident if it says either are ok, then it's ok. Just because the manual has a Shell Helix logo I don't expect it means every dealer is pumping Shell either. The shell logo has been in there from the first FD and looking at some service records I have a dealer using Castrol Magnatec Prof 5W40 and another using Synpower which is Valvoline.  ( 2009 FD CRdi  up to 2016)

Being so new and under wty though, as much as I hate dealers, you could just let them do it.
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« Reply #11 : November 15, 2019, 08:07:57 »
Looks like Supercheap has some deals too,

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« Reply #12 : November 15, 2019, 16:38:18 »
In general reading about all the different oil specs gets very interesting and complicated. It would be perfect to find a 5w30 A5/b5 SN+ oil but there doesnít seem to be any in Aus. Shell seem to do a Helix Ultra Professional which is SN+ but they only sell it in bulk. It makes sense that dealers would buy whatever is available in bulk at the cheapest price- regardless of brand. Just odd they list a preferred oil (twice) which doesnít even meet their preferred spec. I looked at all the service records on my last car but could find only find Ďused spec oilí except for one which was done out of town as I was away which said Ď10w30 oilí.

I think I will just use their oil - if I do the 1500km service anyway.

This looks to fit the bill :link: Mobil 1 5W-30 ? Mobil 1
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« Reply #13 : November 15, 2019, 16:42:17 »
In general reading about all the different oil specs gets very interesting and complicated. It would be perfect to find a 5w30 A5/b5 SN+ oil but there doesnít seem to be any in Aus. Shell seem to do a Helix Ultra Professional which is SN+ but they only sell it in bulk. It makes sense that dealers would buy whatever is available in bulk at the cheapest price- regardless of brand. Just odd they list a preferred oil (twice) which doesnít even meet their preferred spec. I looked at all the service records on my last cat but could find only find Ďused spec oilí except for one which was done out of town as I was away which said Ď10w30 oilí.

I think I will just use their oil - if I do the 1500km service anyway.

 Ďused spec oilí   :spitty: I have to laugh at that one.

I think I'll go do one of mine now with "My Spec Oil" :goodjob2:
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« Reply #14 : November 15, 2019, 17:28:08 »
To break it down to basics. The only difference between the ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4 & the ACEA A5/B5 is just for fuel economy.
:link: ACEA Engine Oil Specifications - oilspecifications.org.    So both grades will be all good in relation to engine protection..

Each Hyundai dealer uses oil that they can buy in bulk the cheapest, but that will also be the correct grade for the engine that it is going in.
My dealer used Mobil Oil 5w-30.  But also if you look at Mobil's website, they also don't have a A5/B5 available here in Australia.

If your comfortable in doing your own oil change, then I would recommend that. As I do mine at the 5000k's inbetween the 10,000k service.
I have used both Penrite 5w-30 A5/B5 & Shell Ultra 5w-30  https://www.repco.com.au/en/oils-fluids/engine-oils-fluids/engine-oil/shell-helix-ultra-5w-30-collectors-edition-12-5-litre-300012437/p/A9660308
The Shell is one of the best oils that you can buy. In a passenger car environment.  C3 oils are good in a direct injection engine, due to the less oil fumes that get put back through the engine & oil building up on the back of the valves.

But in reality, any of these top line oils will do the job in day to day driving on the road.  Motorsport or track day driving, would be a different thing.
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« Reply #15 : November 15, 2019, 18:01:41 »
Thatís what I was thinking Dazzler. I think A/B compared to C3 is also higher SAPs and can be slightly lower HTHS Viscosity as well.
Like you say, all high end oils would be pretty good, I guess some more than others would be more suitable for particular engine types. Thatís interesting re the oil fumes and the valves.

I thought the Mobil was A5/B5? That link in my last post says that it meets or exceeds A5 requirements. Not sure if itís been accredited though, which is another story. The Mobil 1 is also ILSAC GF-5 and provides LSPI protection as it is API SN+ (from what I can see).

Iíve never done an oil change on a car before, plenty of dirt bikes though. I donít really have the space and would prefer to pay for such a new car (donít trust myself).


A/B: Gasoline and Diesel Engine Oils Ė ďHigh SAPSĒ

A5/B5 Stable, stay-in-grade Engine Oil intended for use at extended Drain Intervals in Passenger Car & Light Duty Van Gasoline & Diesel Engines designed to be capable of using Low Viscosity Oils with HTHS Viscosity of 2.9 to 3.5 mPas. These Oils are unsuitable for use in certain Engines - consult vehicle-OEMís ownerís manual/handbook in case of doubt.



C: Catalyst & GPF/DPF compatible Engine Oils for Gasoline & Diesel Engines Ė ďLow SAPSĒ

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« Reply #16 : November 15, 2019, 20:54:03 »
Not sure if the Mobil 5w-30 is a A5/B5 oil..   It doesn't state it on their website. Actually says A1/B1  http://www.mobil1.com.au/products/product_5W30.aspx
But that also depends on if that is the one my dealer uses. As Mobil have another 5w/30 oil.
http://www.mobil1.com.au/products/product_esp_5w30.aspx    All that is listed on my invoice is Mobil 1 5w/30

All good on not wanting to do an oil change..  Most people don't wish to do that on a new car..

The way I see it. Any top line oil meeting the required specs will be OK for a daily driven car on the streets.
Whether it is from Mobil, Shell, Valvoline, Penrite, Castrol, etc.  You pay a bit more for them. But in the long run are worth the extra paid.
Of course as I mentioned before. If your planning on doing track work. Then that is a different story...
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« Reply #17 : November 15, 2019, 21:17:40 »
Yeah itís hard to say with the Mobil 1 if itís A5. It just seems to say below approvals and specs - see attached pic. I think this mix might be quite new so hard to say if it was was used in yours. At least you had yours listed on the invoice I just Ďspec oilí and for one service I had the SAE.

Definitely wonít track but will give it some boot here and there and happy to spend a bit extra on the best available oil for the engine. I agree, I think any of the big names will do the job more than fine. I know people who donít even service their cars and they still seem to kick on.. for how long who knows?

I think Iím happy with my service dept using the valvoline A5 for a 1500km change and then Iíll look around again closer to the 10k service I guess. If the oil is still honey golden at the 1500km service would you still change?



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« Reply #18 : November 15, 2019, 23:38:19 »
In the older day.. Doing a oil & filter change at 1000-1500ks was to catch anything due to it being a new engine.
I'm not sure if that is relevant anymore..  But it wouldn't hurt at all.  Also a dealer wouldn't use incorrect oil for the fact of keeping Hyundai's warranty intact.  I would be more than happy with the Valvoline product.

But just as a little side note..   On an American forum. Someone posted that Hyundai USA putout a service bulletin for the change from 5w-30 to 5w-40.
Which I found interesting as Hyundai USA gets a 10yrs 100,000 miles powertrain warranty. Compared to our 5yrs, unlimited. Or KIA with same engine 7yrs.

I did ask Hyundai Australia. But they are still recommending the 5w-30.  I also think it depends on how long you are going to keep the car for.
If it's only going to be in the warranty period. Then using the dealer supplied oil of the brand they use will be ok. As any problems should be covered by warranty.  As long as the servicing is all kept up to date & on time. Which will also help when it come to selling..

If your planning on keeping the car for say up to 10yrs or more.. Then you could be more picky with what you put in.
As an problems or repairs that happen after the warranty has gone, will all come out of your pocket. Which on a high tech modern car. Would not be cheap.
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« Reply #19 : November 16, 2019, 00:26:52 »
Yeah I was reading that as well with the Older engines and catching the debris. Iíve read that there should be minimal in newer cars and that process is already done at factory.. and anything else before your 10k will be captured by the filter. Odd that out of all the SRs and Ns in Canberra my dealer said only one guy did an oil change at 1500 and also provides his own oil and that he owns an N. Out of all the posts Iíve read itís a bit devisive the old do you change your oil at 1500km or not question. Some say it wonít hurt but is a waste in modern engines, others say itís good insurance. Iím sure there are plenty of cars getting around that followed OEM intervals with 200k km+. My last 2014 i30 1.8L was serviced every 15k had 120k when I traded it and no issues ever and my 1999 Hyundai lantra was also serviced once a year and that thing clocked 300K + no issues to the engine at all and I flogged that thing every single day for 7 years. The rest of the car fell apart though. Some say with our modern cars the engines will outlast all the other components (electrics, trans etc) so save your cash and put it into more frequent maintenance of those parts. Who knows?!

Maybe Iíll check the oil and if looks good Iíll keep it in and maybe I could do the change at 5000km or something instead. I think Iíll just keep to the 10, 000 usual intervals though after that.

That is very interesting. From what Iím reading 5w30 is superior as itís a bit thinner and will be better for cold starts but if you drive hard and track 5w40 can be a bit better if the car is running hot often. I managed to snag the 7yr warranty deal which Iím pretty happy with. Not sure how long Iíll hang onto it just yet but Iíd say at least 5-7yrs.

I might ask Hyundai as well as Iím still waiting to hear back from their tech team regarding my oil questions.

I get pleasure from knowing Iíve used the best or near the best oil in it.. which is sad  :crazy1: I probably wonít be so fussy once the car is a bit older.
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« Reply #20 : November 18, 2019, 17:37:56 »
Hyundaiís response for those interested:

Upon further confirmation with the Technical Department, we have been advised the below,

The oil grade is critical to the engine and Hyundai Motor Company (HMC) strongly advice against using a grade that does not meet the manufactures recommendations. HMC stipulate to use only ACEA A5/B5 ore above.

ďACEA A3/B4 Stable, stay-in-grade oil intended for use in high performance gasoline and direct injection diesel engines, but also suitable for applications described under A3/B3.

ACEA A5/B5 Stable, stay-in-grade oil intended for use at extended drain intervals in high performance gasoline engines and car & light van diesel engines designed to be capable of using low friction low viscosity oils with a High temperature / High shear rate (HTHS) viscosity of 2.9 to 3.5 mPa.sĒ

HMC promote Shell oils, and we (Hyundai Motor Company Australia) promote Caltex oils.

Shell Helix 5/30 oil meets ACEA A5/B5 (Shell Ultra does not meet ACEA A5/B5)

With regard to the first 1 Month/1500k service, the oil and filter are inspected not replaced.
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« Reply #21 : November 19, 2019, 03:02:30 »
Thanks for that info..

Some very interesting information..  Specially about that Hyundai Australia promote Caltex. Even thought the sticker on the airbox says Shell Oil.

Interesting on the Shell websites oil selector..  They recommend Shell Ultra. At 5w/40 grade?  Looking at the Shell website. I can't see any of their oils that are A5/B5.
The HX7 ECT is ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4. While the rest of the range are ACEA C3 Including the Shell Ultra ECT C3 that both Supercheap & Repco stock..
So I would be interested in what Hyundai Australia's recommendation of which Shell Helix product that is A5/B5.



Next up we have the Caltex website's oil selector..  The one that comes up is Caltex Super GT-F 5w/30 which is a A5/B5 oil..
But the next one recommend is the Caltex Havoline ProDS Fully Synthetic C3 5W30.  But interesting is a ACEA C3 oil. Which is the same rating as the Shell Ultra that they don't recommend.



So I think you can see why people that care about what Oil goes in their car can get quite confused...

I know my dealer used Mobil Oil, as it is printed on my receipt.   But again on Mobil's Australian website there are to 5w/30 oils.
Mobil 1 5w/30 Newer Vehicle Formula with ACEA of A1/B1.  Mobil 1 5w/30 ESP Formula with a ACEA of C2, C3
On looking there is a Mobil Super 3000 X1 Formula FE 5W-30 that is A5/B5 rated.
But going back to the Hyundai USA Oil recommend change to 5w/40.  I found the Service bulletin.  Even though it's dated for models up to 2017, as it came out in 2016.
The cars that it refers to for our interest are the Elantra Sport & Veloster Turbo.  As they use the same 1.6lt turbo that are in our SR's & N-Line's
The last paragraph on that is a very interesting one..


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« Reply #22 : November 19, 2019, 16:59:55 »
It definitely seems to confuse things even further. Surely they could either not put a shell sticker on the airbox or put a different sticker on in accordance to which country it was being shipped to and that countries partnership or oil preference?

I'm not even sure what they recommend to be honest. Like you say, there is no A5/B5 Shell Helix oil readily available to consumers in this country. I did manage to find one that is A5/B5 but it isn't available for purchase anywhere - :link: Shell Helix Ultra Professional AF 5W-30 | Shell Australia    I don't know if this is the oil they are referring to or not, as it cannot be purchased anywhere anyway.

Why would a company (Shell) partnered with Hyundai Globally not even have the appropriate oil in the country or suggest an appropriate oil on their lube match? The lube match throws out A3/B3, A3/B4 and C3 oils?!

Also, i can't find any Caltex oils for purchase at any of the large auto stores and ran into the same issues as you with their lube match.

Exactly, very easy to get confused with so many conflicting messages if you actually do a bit research and care about which oil goes into your car. I might look into that Mobil Super 3000 X1 Formula FE 5W-30. I think the oil my service dept uses (Valvoline FE Synpower A5/B5) is a decent oil.

Thanks for sharing the bulletin. It makes no sense at all? I could understand if it were for older engines as sometimes 5w40 is good for older engines that are burning oil as it is a little thicker. Very interesting last para... very direct statement considering all the info out there concerning this issue is very indirect. Feels like the committees of each country sit around and change which oils they feel are best for their region with very little reason...

I responded with basically all the same questions you raised so we will see what they come back with.
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« Reply #23 : November 19, 2019, 17:43:11 »
Hyundaiís response for those interested:

 HMC stipulate to use only ACEA A5/B5 ore above.

ďACEA A3/B4 Stable, stay-in-grade oil intended for use in high performance gasoline and direct injection diesel engines, but also suitable for applications described under A3/B3.

ACEA A5/B5 Stable, stay-in-grade oil intended for use at extended drain intervals in high performance gasoline engines and car & light van diesel engines designed to be capable of using low friction low viscosity oils with a High temperature / High shear rate (HTHS) viscosity of 2.9 to 3.5 mPa.sĒ

Shell Helix 5/30 oil meets ACEA A5/B5 (Shell Ultra does not meet ACEA A5/B5)

With regard to the first 1 Month/1500k service, the oil and filter are inspected not replaced.

And so" high shear" and "extended drain" seem to be the critial difference.
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Re: Oil type and first service (1500km)
« Reply #24 : November 19, 2019, 18:57:20 »
Based on those descriptions, yep. From my research high shear is better for fuel economy but not for engine wear. But, for engines designed to take a high shear oil (A5/B5) - it is unclear (which is why A3/B4 can be fitted into an A5/B5 engine but not the other way around), if these high shear oils 'protect' just the same as the A3/B4s.

Anyway, I just heard back from Hyundai. I don't think i will get much more out of them.

'The recommended is ACEA A5/B5.

As our dealerships are independently owned, they can outsource their own oil.
However if you wish to purchase the recommended you can contact the dealer parts department directly and enquire.
They have access to order the recommended Caltex oil that HMCA recommend.

You can replace the oil and filter at your first complimentary service, this is not a recommendation however you may enquire with the service after they have inspected your vehicle.

Let me know if you have any further questions.'
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Re: Oil type and first service (1500km)
« Reply #25 : November 20, 2019, 01:21:18 »
After all that deliberation we're back to where we started :lol: use the A5B5 and you'll know you're covered either way :link: Penrite Full Synthetic Engine Oil - 5W-30 6 Litre | Supercheap Auto



When researching Hyundai oils years ago DVG Hyundai used the recommended Shell oil, AHG Hyundai used Castrol Magnatec until problems developed then switched to Castrol Edge, neither of them could explain to me why the A5B5 recommended in my book was not used :head_butt:

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Re: Oil type and first service (1500km)
« Reply #26 : November 20, 2019, 08:07:38 »
I've been using Castrol Magnatec professional in the wife's i30 for the last 6 oil changes and was also using it in my old Ford Everest as that also required an A5 spec oil. I used Castrol edge 5w30 A3B4 in my wifes old Santa Fe and 2 oil analysis tests both came back as oil being well within spec after 15k. I like Castrol oil and have been using their products for 27 years  both at home and in workshops. I recently checked the valve clearances on a Mitsubishi ASX that I have serviced since new and at 190,000km service 'llhey were all within spec and there was no sludge build up or any staining in the head so that is proof enough to me after 7 years it's a decent oil
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Re: Oil type and first service (1500km)
« Reply #27 : November 20, 2019, 08:25:22 »
I've been using Castrol Magnatec professional in the wife's i30 for the last 6 oil changes and was also using it in my old Ford Everest as that also required an A5 spec oil. I used Castrol edge 5w30 A3B4 in my wifes old Santa Fe and 2 oil analysis tests both came back as oil being well within spec after 15k. I like Castrol oil and have been using their products for 27 years  both at home and in workshops. I recently checked the valve clearances on a Mitsubishi ASX that I have serviced since new and at 190,000km service 'llhey were all within spec and there was no sludge build up or any staining in the head so that is proof enough to me after 7 years it's a decent oil
Magnatec has been Castrol's lower tier oil ever since it was introduced, most of the motoring industry know this hence why Hyundai dumped their use of it after reported issues.

I've not used the newer Professional mix though I'd only expect extra or better cleaning additives were added.

Edge is their top line product and would be far Superior in friction modifiers and sheer stabilisers  :)

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« Reply #28 : November 20, 2019, 16:10:00 »
haha it looks like it @CraigB.

I think i will use the Valvoline oil since it is what my service dept use anyway - https://www.repco.com.au/en/oils-fluids/specialty-fluids/small-engine-garden/valvoline-synpower-fe-5w30-1298-01/p/A9631643

That does't surprise. I am actually a bit surprised that my service dept uses an A5/B5 oil spec and one that is on the pricier side. I guess for the SR/Nline we need to service at 10k so extended drain period isn't so much of an issue. I'd like to know what are the differences in engines that are designed to take A5/B5 vs A3/B4?

If Castrol or Shell did an A5/B5 oil i would probably use that instead.
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Re: Oil type and first service (1500km)
« Reply #29 : November 20, 2019, 18:01:21 »
After a bit more of using the old Google..    I found that there is now a A5/B5 Castrol Edge oil available.  :link: Castrol EDGE Engine Oil - 10W-30, 5 litre | Supercheap Auto
And looks to be pretty easily available.   But still, if your dealer is using the correct Valvoline product then I would stick with that as well.
The biggest difference between A3/B4 and A5/B5 is HTHS (high temperature high shear) For A5/B5 it's a min of 2.9 and a max of 3.5 but for A3/B4 the HTHS must be above 3.5
This is an interesting read about what & why with HTHS.  :link: How is HTHS Viscosity Measured? | Lubrizol Additives 360

Of course this all has to do with Fuel Economy which also leads to emissions.   So technically the A3/B4 has a stronger shear (film) strength than the A5/B5 oil.
But also because of that, the A5/B5 oil will have better fuel efficiency.   Again if you were planing on doing track type work, then the smart move would be to use A3/B4 as it's a "stronger" oil.

But that also brings us back to Hyundai USA decision to change to a 5w-40 oil.  For as far as I have googled, there are no 5w-40 oils that are A5/B5.  So for some reason they require a stronger shear strenth oil.

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