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i30 GD tourer - Diesel or Petrol, DCT or not?
« May 04, 2020, 05:24:45 »
Hi guys
Just after some advice as I'm looking into buying a GD i30 tourer (wagon) for a smaller second family runabout. Most of the cars within our budget are between 70-150k on the clock.

The diesel seems to be the popular choice, but are there any issues I should be aware of, or is the 1.6 petrol proving to be more reliable?
And whats the pick out of the 6 or 7 speed automatics? I see a few reports of people being unhappy with the 7 speed DCT, and costly clutch replacements.
This seems to be the same with the VW Golf which we're also considering, so was thinking perhaps the more conventional 6 speed auto maybe a better choice?
Anything else I need to look out for?
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Re: i30 GD tourer - Diesel or Petrol, DCT or not?
« Reply #1 : May 04, 2020, 07:04:36 »
I've 3 FD CRDis, one i40 1.7 in the family, and I reckon if regularly serviced the D4FB is near on bullet proof. I would expect the update in the GD to be similar except they've added plastics for rocker covers, inlet manifolds and oil filter assemblies.

The diesel also has great economy and over a large range of use and loads. On longs trips it excels. i also have a 1.7,  6 spd auto i40 tourer. I've managed in perfect conditions 5.3-5.6 on long hauls, quite incredible for a 1700-1800kg vehicle.

The trans in that will be similar to the 6 spd in the GD. No issues there either, but I do transmission flushes more often than recommended. These are also without a dipstick or traditional filler tube, but still fully serviceable.

The DCT, never had one, but I think it could be less durable and costly to repair. Driving habits could also impact on it as well if you drive it thinking it's the same as a slushbox.

You would want to read up on the what to do and not to do with these.

i was lucky to have a drive in a DCT hatch,  it was an interesting experience, all torque, very smooth seamless shifts, no slip like an auto when the Torques convertor is released.

all opinion of course

I still think it's early days for DCTs and durability so I'd bias towards auto but I also do a lot of my own maintenace so a well priced DCT in good nick would be on the cards too.

I'd  want more miles on the DCT in all conditions though to have a better idea.
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Re: i30 GD tourer - Diesel or Petrol, DCT or not?
« Reply #2 : May 04, 2020, 07:12:41 »
Hi Dave,

I'm assuming you are the same guy who posted on our FB site. I spotted your post there when I was busy with other things and was going to get back and suggest to come to the forum which generally generates more replies with this sort of enquiry. So glad you found us.

Wife had a manual 2014 Petrol tourer for 4 years and quite liked it although found it a bit underpowered compared to her previous 2010 2.0 FD i30 Wagon.

Torque is ok on the highway but a bit lacking around town even in the (rare) manual if you like to zip through roundabouts and stuff. Brilliant styling for an 8+ year old car though. I reckon the Wagon body is even nicer than the hatch and has aged well.

I haven't driven an auto in that series wagon with the 1,6 only with the 1.8 i the GD hatch but I imagine the Auto Petrol wouldn't be a jet.

Now the 1.6 diesel motor is a cracker and generally reliable if serviced correctly with the right oils etc. We didn't the DPF (diesel particulate filter ) in Australian I30's until the series 3 PD so that won't be an issue either.

Most of the Tourers I could find on Carsales appeared to be the 6 speed  conventional Auto. The DCT has been refined a bit more with each new model. For example, the DCT in my wife's 2019 Kona is a bit smoother and more responsive in 1st than my 2017 SR DCT was. I know some have had a few issues with the DCT in the earlier i40's. If you do find a Tourer you like with the DCT just make sure you give it a good test drive to see how you find the characteristics. I was more than happy with the DCT in my SR even though the one in the Kona appears to be even better.

If you can find a good diesel Tourer I would recommend going that way. If you drive a diesel and a petrol you will definitely notice the difference in torque.

The wife's  petrol manual was great on fuel for a hyundai petrol which in the past have been fairly thirsty compared to other brands. Although the Diesel should be even better in most situations.

Hope that helps.
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« Reply #3 : May 05, 2020, 18:43:17 »
Cheers thanks guys I appreciate the feedback.
From what I've read the diesel certainly seems to be the winner. I understand why, the torque of modern diesels is a lot more appealing and I was a bit concerened the 1.6 petrol may be a bit gutless.

Unfortunately with the current situation its making it difficult to take any for a spin as there are none locally here in Bendigo.

One other question, do all of the later models with the updated grill and wheels have the DCT transmission, as that was my understanding from what I read in some articles, yet on Carsales there are what appear to be updated 2015 models, but saying a 6 speed auto. See here for what I mean Carsales link

Just trying to work out whats what to create a shortlist of vehicles to look at, if and when I get the chance.


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« Reply #4 : May 06, 2020, 06:44:33 »
The 1.6 Hyundai CRDi really punches above its weight and give the i30 some extra character.

I was under the the same impression about the update coming with the DCT but maybe it was only the higher spec model that did (the Elite)

It is possible either the pictures or the description is wrong (not uncommon) I would ask that particular seller to confirm if it is a DCT or is in fact the torque converter auto before short listing that one.

@edmagman Hey Eddie, was your Tourer an Elite with DCT, Auto or manual? I forget. Hope you are well, must talk soon! :mrgreen:
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« Reply #5 : May 06, 2020, 08:10:49 »
Hi Guys,
Long time no post, my i30 was the tourer Elite with diesel and standard 6 speed auto .
Loved the car but needed to trade up, and could not buy an i30 wagon so bought an i40 premium diesel wagon second hand.
Loved that car too but it had the DCT auto box, (with faults), and we finally got sick of it's constant dropping down 2-3 gears both going down hill and up!  My wife did most of the driving was glad to see the back of it.
We traded it in on a new RSV Astra, (couldn't resist the deal from Holden).
Dazzler can testify to how bad it was, he has been for a drive in it.

Would love to buy a low kilometre  i40 2013 Premium wagon, diesel with standard 6 speed box. lovely quiet car with good fuel consumption and handling.
Hi to you Dazzler will ring you soon.
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« Reply #6 : May 06, 2020, 17:33:43 »
Hi Guys,
Long time no post, my i30 was the tourer Elite with diesel and standard 6 speed auto .
Loved the car but needed to trade up, and could not buy an i30 wagon so bought an i40 premium diesel wagon second hand.
Loved that car too but it had the DCT auto box, (with faults), and we finally got sick of it's constant dropping down 2-3 gears both going down hill and up!  My wife did most of the driving was glad to see the back of it.
We traded it in on a new RSV Astra, (couldn't resist the deal from Holden).
Dazzler can testify to how bad it was, he has been for a drive in it.

Would love to buy a low kilometre  i40 2013 Premium wagon, diesel with standard 6 speed box. lovely quiet car with good fuel consumption and handling.
Hi to you Dazzler will ring you soon.

Cheers Eddie, a lot has happened since we last spoke. Hope you and the family are well. Ironically will be doing a flying visit to Launceston today as Daughter Ashley who has just had her 1st child (5weeks ago) and has been living with us has just been approved for a unit up there. So we are slipping up to get it sorted. First big drive in 6 weeks! Unusual for me! Sorry for  :offtopic:
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« Reply #7 : May 06, 2020, 22:55:57 »

i was lucky to have a drive in a DCT hatch,  it was an interesting experience, all torque, very smooth seamless shifts, no slip like an auto when the Torques convertor is released.

If you remember , that was as you say, a nice drive but that dual mass flywheel had already developed a rattle ( often interpreted as the DCT clutch fault) . At that stage I hadn't tracked down the source of the low revs clicking.

My wife has a GD CRDi hatch with slush auto  :goodjob2: :goodjob2: very happy. I can do a DCT repair if necessary but it will cost me well over $1000 even with free labour .  So  :undecided:.

The GD tourer is a rare beast, especially with CRDi but the extra room is well worth the wait. No DPF either.  :goodjob2: :goodjob2:
 I have just bought an FD CW 2.0l while I wait on a certain GD diesel tourer to come available.

To be fair to the Hyundai DCT, it is not the same unit as the VW and Ford DCT which have much poorer reputations.

My opinion is now obvious. Good Luck.
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« Reply #8 : May 08, 2020, 18:33:02 »
Thanks for all the repsonses, think I'll be keeping my eye out for the 6 speed auto CRDi - not that easy to find it'd appear!

The dual clutch auto's (including offerings from other manufacturers) are a great thing when working well, it just seems they're prone to too many faults and damn expensive to fix
if your out of warranty (in which case buying used I would be).
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« Reply #9 : May 11, 2020, 05:30:02 »
When i bought mine, i was told it wad the second last new tourer left in aus. Dunno how truthful that statement was, but in my last 6 years have only very rarely seen another diesel elite trim tourer, so definitely not common to begin with.
I'll probably sell it in the next year or so. It has 75k on the dial but my wife cant stand diving it so will have to let it go.
I first bought it for work, picking up supplies in the inner city where space is a premium. Was given hell by tradies and deliverymen for parking in loading zones but it was commercially registered and is recognised as a proper station wagon. Has been pretty much faultless.
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« Reply #10 : May 11, 2020, 06:37:57 »

 Has been pretty much faultless.......but my wife can't stand driving it so will have to let it go.

I couldn't resist rearranging your comments in a quote sorry..

If it has been pretty much faultless, why doesn't your wife like it? Not zippy enough? :undecided:
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« Reply #11 : May 14, 2020, 13:33:36 »
Oh he is selling the car, I read it another way...... :whistler:
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« Reply #12 : May 14, 2020, 18:52:38 »
Oh he is selling the car, I read it another way...... :whistler:

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« Reply #13 : May 17, 2020, 22:25:25 »
Heh... was a close call, guys.

Wife drives an old accord euro. Back before the fuel consumption wars when putting your foot down meant a car actually took off.
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« Reply #14 : May 25, 2020, 18:19:59 »
I have a GD CRDi sedan and a series 6 Golf Wagon.

The Golf has the CAVD engine (petrol, supercharged + turbocharged) and is definitely an avoid if you don't know what you are looking for. These are cars with a terrible reliability history in their early years and can be stupendously expensive to repair. If you find one that has been meticulously maintained and had all the factory recalls performed, then they are a much better driving experience than the Hyundai. VW diesels of course are bulletproof. And the load space in the wagon is vast.

But if you just need a reliable no fuss car, the Hyundai would be a much better idea.

Our Golf has been flawless as it happens, but the early petrol series 6 is known to be a potential money pit. Fuel consumption of both is very similar and frugal. To be honest, there's not much between them.
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« Reply #15 : May 25, 2020, 18:29:24 »
The dual clutch auto's (including offerings from other manufacturers) are a great thing when working well, it just seems they're prone to too many faults and damn expensive to fix if your out of warranty (in which case buying used I would be).

Ours had the mechatronic and clutchpacks replaced under warranty by the previous owner. In its current incarnation its quite reliable but a bit quirky on takeoff. The series 7 onwards is substantially better in this respect.

The series 6 Golf has the DQ250 transmission which can go either way for reliability in early models, however they should have been mostly sorted out under warranty by now. I'd be advising anyone who does not know what they are looking for to steer clear of the series 6 Golf.

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« Reply #16 : May 27, 2020, 03:28:03 »
And just like that we got a recall on the Golf transmission yesterday.

What are the defects?

Due to a production fault, over time a crack in the transmissions pressure accumulator can occur.
What are the hazards?

If the pressure accumulator cracks, oil and pressure is lost in the hydraulic system of the gearbox. As a result, the transmission of engine power via the gearbox is interrupted. The experience of this symptom would be comparable to depressing the clutch in a vehicle fitted with a manual transmission. This could increase the likelihood of an accident affecting the occupants of the vehicle and other road users.

There have been fatalities where vehicles have suddenly stopped in traffic and then cleaned up from behind. Buy the i30.


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« Reply #17 : May 27, 2020, 06:11:40 »
Keith,
Thats for the info its good to hear feedback from someone who's owned both of the cars i've considered.
All the reviews I read echo what your saying in that the Golf is a nicer vehicle & more enjoyable to drive but what they dont really take into account is long term ownership and the issues which may arise.
At this point I just want something functional and reliable - the CRDi i30 tourer seems to fulfil this!
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« Reply #18 : June 04, 2020, 06:31:00 »
Hi, I'm in the uk and own a 1.6 petrol automatic estate. The gearbox is a 6 speed torque converter. I would describe the engine as adequate and the gearbox ok. The only thing I notice is that when changing down  the down shift can sometimes feel quite firm. I have driven another i30 and a rental Santa fe and they were all similar in the down shift. But personally I would prefer that, rather than have a dct.
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« Reply #19 : June 07, 2020, 20:06:05 »
Thanks for the advice all, ended up getting a relatively low km 2013 CRDi tourer through a private sale.
A few minor imperfections in body work but mechanically its a ripper, really pleased with it.

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« Reply #20 : June 07, 2020, 21:56:09 »
Body imperfections - car park hazard.
Looks really nice,  :goodjob2: :goodjob:
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« Reply #21 : June 08, 2020, 00:42:46 »
Awesome Dave.

The Tourer Body with the 1.6 Diesel is a great combo. Still look stylish despite being an 8 year old design and lots more torque than the wife's 2014 Petrol tourer had.  :victory:
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